I believe this game will never happen

[Greyshaft]

Bo,
I didn't feel insulted by you or the Ex at all. I was just pointing out that using names of racial groups during a slanging match (no matter how light-hearted) brings us into dangerous territory. Lets stick to dork and dumbo etc

[Extraneous]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

No one hates you Extraneous - are you a Millwall fan by the way? - You have been a useful contributor to the project. Its just your posting manner grates from time to time [;)]

For that matter, I suspect no one hates CrusssDaddy. He's just a bit like bleach on the skin or a whinny little child - an irritant that you could do without [;)].

I like Schalke 04 for football and Australia for rugby.

But for real excitement give me Irish hurling (this is the Irish national sport and has nothing to do with drinking).

American sports are over rated (millionaires being paid to play kid games).

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

1) Ah yes, computer operators were the guys who slept through night shift when they got tired of watching the LEDs blink.

2) IIRC Documentation Analysts were the guys who made sure every second ply on the toilet paper had the manufacturer's trade mark on it.

3) What a coincidence! 555 is the starting phone number for all the numbers in all the movies and TV shows! You must know some really famous people.

4) Clearly Informatics is a specialty that doesn't require the ability to spell.

5) We were totally satisfied before you posted your resume. The big question is: How would you know anything about reason?

Mr. Paul Derynck

1) Do you know what a mainframe computer is? How about an IBM-360/50 or IBM-370/168? Have you ever heard of UNIVAC (the company or the machine)?

2) Do you know what a flowchart is? How about a system flowchart? You obviously don't know what a Documentation Analyst does.

3) Yes I have met several have you?

4) Since it passes Microsoft Word spell check enlighten us how you think "Informatics" should be spelled?

5) Oh that's not the whole resume.


Have you ever had a job or are you a professional student?

ORIGINAL: bo

How did you know I need easier terms you been talking to my wife?

Australia is a continent [BS] I went to Catholic grade school and the nuns told me it was an island [&:] and they were never wrong, because if we told the nun she was wrong they beat our hands with a ruler, I still can't spell Mississipi right and that means ten cracks on the hand. Ouch!

You just cannot help yourself can you, you been talking down to everyone here but crussdaddy and I can understand that because you cannot insult him [:-] now you are talking down to Steve and that is not allowed here [:@]

I guess you ignored my post about becoming a beta tester now I understand why, it is beneath you to do that menial old nasty testing of MWIF so you are just going to sit on the posts and tell everyone about your wonderful resume which you have not finished telling us about because what you told us should satisfy a reasonable person. Well guess what I am not a reasonable person and I am a doubting Thomas so that means I want to see from proof of your greatness ooops sorry your Majesty.

Where did you get my full name from, oh I know you got it from Edward Snowden in Hong Kong.

Bo

Mr. William Bowen (from your Matrix profile): Look it up Australia is considered a continent.

How is your wife Bill? Did you finally talk to her?

I don't talk down to crussdaddy because it would do no good. Talking down to you on the other hand is required so you can understand.

If you are part of the Beta test team you should know why I quit or you can ask. If you're not part of the Beta test team tough.

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

I've worked for many computer companies; they varied in size from a half dozen programmers up to thousands of programmers. Code jockeys?

CWIF was in Delphi (an object oriented Pascal) as is MWIF.

The sample I posted was 4000 lines. MWIF is 400,000+ lines of code.

I read/recorded COBOL texts for Recording for the Blind when I lived in Philadelphia. While it is not one of the six programming languages in which I have written over 100,000 lines of code, I did acquire a familiarity with its programming style: compared to the other languages which I have used, COBOL requires an enormous number of lines of code to perform the simplest of programming tasks. New programs are not written in COBOL, although there are still many people performing maintenance on COBOL programs - most of which were written in the 1970's for IBM mainframes. Similarly, many people are maintaining programs written in IBM Assembler for those same computers.

By systems design, you mean what? Database? User interface? Processing input files into output files? Diagrams of system components with logic flow? MWIF has all of that, although I chose to use simple comma-separated-values files instead of a formal database language. I've written code for a dozen or so database languages and they weren't really an appropriate solution for a game's data storage. The hundreds of forms in MWIF are for a more complicated program design than any user interface I've see for a commercial product. I've also created dozens of logic flow diagrams for MWIF. To do that I work with a white board, flip chart paper (it's large enough to hold large diagrams), double size paper, and ultimately CorelDraw for final versions.

Design without implementation has marginal value. I learned that from my father, a civil engineer who had to make plant layout drawings done by architects a reality for a large chemical company. I saw it again at Boeing when product designs had to be manufactured. In my opinion, integration of design with implementation is the only way to make a successful product. Having one person (or group) create a product design and then pass it along to another person/group to transform the design into a product either results in numerous exchanges between the two groups to reach consensus or the last person/group in the process just does what they think is best - regardless of what the design originally said should be done.

As a recent case in point, we are having the architect who helped redesign our kitchen/bath also act as the project manager for the work. She knew that going in, so her design decisions were made with a full understanding of what would actually have to be done when the walls and floors are removed and new everything installed.

Integration is difficult for large projects, but quite doable when the people involved commit to working closely together to achieve a common goal. The disasters occur when one group assumes their responsibility stops at a fixed point in the development process - leaving the next group to figure out how to resolve any problems that crop up later.

You only know 6 computer languages?

I know 2 scientific computer languages, 3 business computer languages, 3 job control computer languages, and 4 forth generation computer languages.

System design is the process of defining the architecture, components, modules, interfaces, and data for a system to satisfy specified requirements.

Implementation without design is chaos.

[bo]

I would really like to know why you quit the beta team Extraneous, I mean really pretty please. And please talk down to me so I truly understand why you quit because it is very important to all of us or at least me. And tough, I am a beta tester but you knew that.

I just went to Google earth and checked again and it looks like to me that Australia is surrounded by water so IMHO it is downgraded from a continent to an island status. Big island to be sure. I notice the Snowden comment went right over your head. If you want me to explain it to you I will gladly do so but then I would have to talk down to you so you would understand.

Your comment to Steve was uncalled for please leave him out of this please.[:@]

This is my last post to you as Mr. nice guy, from now on it is Extraneous hunting season [;)]

Bo

[Greyshaft]

Geographically Australia is a continent. Since it is completely surrounded by water is it also technically an island.
Its another of the useless facts that I learned when I was in school (in Australia)
I don't think it matters to MWiF.

[CrusssDaddy]

Ugh, and I thought the "When?" thread was tedious. CAN WE GET SOME MORE CODE DUMPS, I LIKE SCROLLING!!!

[Centuur]

ORIGINAL: bo

I would really like to know why you quit the beta team Extraneous, I mean really pretty please. And please talk down to me so I truly understand why you quit because it is very important to all of us or at least me. And tough, I am a beta tester but you knew that.

I just went to Google earth and checked again and it looks like to me that Australia is surrounded by water so IMHO it is downgraded from a continent to an island status. Big island to be sure. I notice the Snowden comment went right over your head. If you want me to explain it to you I will gladly do so but then I would have to talk down to you so you would understand.

Your comment to Steve was uncalled for please leave him out of this please.[:@]

This is my last post to you as Mr. nice guy, from now on it is Extraneous hunting season [;)]

Bo

I agree that Mr. Extranous is now a hunted man. I hate quitters, especially if there isn't a reason to quit. Sure, there are times when a software tester wants to grill the programmer on the barbecue. Sure, there are times when you don't want to do anything about testing, since it doesn't seem things are progressing. But that's all part of the show. So put the thing aside for a couple of weeks and return to testing later on, when things are getting interesting again. But to totally quit? Never! I want this game to go on the market.
Of course I can understand that especially the testers of the first hour are disappointed, since the whole thing is really very, very slowly progressing. That those guys tend to get a little tired running things is understandable. That they decide to postpone testing for all kind of reasons is expected. But to totally quit? That's pretty drastic.
What I would like to see is some of the old guard returning to beta testing (if they can). I think that would help a lot...

[Extraneous]

ORIGINAL: bo

I would really like to know why you quit the beta team Extraneous, I mean really pretty please. And please talk down to me so I truly understand why you quit because it is very important to all of us or at least me. And tough, I am a beta tester but you knew that.

I just went to Google earth and checked again and it looks like to me that Australia is surrounded by water so IMHO it is downgraded from a continent to an island status. Big island to be sure. I notice the Snowden comment went right over your head. If you want me to explain it to you I will gladly do so but then I would have to talk down to you so you would understand.

Your comment to Steve was uncalled for please leave him out of this please.[:@]

This is my last post to you as Mr. nice guy, from now on it is Extraneous hunting season [;)]

Bo

Then as a beta tester ask the other beta testers or Steve.

As a beta tester you know that unless Steve releases me from the NDA or the proper time after the game is released has elapsed I cannot respond to why I quit.

Steve decided to bring it up when he said I looked up system design.

I don't know about you but telling me I don't know anything about a career I worked at for most of my life is HIGHLY insulting.

You expect me to ignore an insult to my life? It ain't going to happen.

Strange the Australian government seams to think Australia is a continent.

ROFLMAO I'm so afraid! [>:] Like it wasn't already Extraneous hunting season

ORIGINAL: Centuur

I agree that Mr. Extranous is now a hunted man. I hate quitters, especially if there isn't a reason to quit. Sure, there are times when a software tester wants to grill the programmer on the barbecue. Sure, there are times when you don't want to do anything about testing, since it doesn't seem things are progressing. But that's all part of the show. So put the thing aside for a couple of weeks and return to testing later on, when things are getting interesting again. But to totally quit? Never! I want this game to go on the market.

Of course I can understand that especially the testers of the first hour are disappointed, since the whole thing is really very, very slowly progressing. That those guys tend to get a little tired running things is understandable. That they decide to postpone testing for all kind of reasons is expected. But to totally quit? That's pretty drastic.
What I would like to see is some of the old guard returning to beta testing (if they can). I think that would help a lot...

If your implying I had no reason then I suggest you think again.

If you think I'm using the NDA as a shield I suggest you think again.

If you think it was the length of time the beta was taking you are wrong.

[Centuur]

ORIGINAL: Extraneous

ORIGINAL: bo

I would really like to know why you quit the beta team Extraneous, I mean really pretty please. And please talk down to me so I truly understand why you quit because it is very important to all of us or at least me. And tough, I am a beta tester but you knew that.

I just went to Google earth and checked again and it looks like to me that Australia is surrounded by water so IMHO it is downgraded from a continent to an island status. Big island to be sure. I notice the Snowden comment went right over your head. If you want me to explain it to you I will gladly do so but then I would have to talk down to you so you would understand.

Your comment to Steve was uncalled for please leave him out of this please.[:@]

This is my last post to you as Mr. nice guy, from now on it is Extraneous hunting season [;)]

Bo

Then as a beta tester ask the other beta testers or Steve.

As a beta tester you know that unless Steve releases me from the NDA or the proper time after the game is released has elapsed I cannot respond to why I quit.

Steve decided to bring it up when he said I looked up system design.

I don't know about you but telling me I don't know anything about a career I worked at for most of my life is HIGHLY insulting.

You expect me to ignore an insult to my life? It ain't going to happen.

Strange the Australian government seams to think Australia is a continent.

ROFLMAO I'm so afraid! [>:] Like it wasn't already Extraneous hunting season

ORIGINAL: Centuur

I agree that Mr. Extranous is now a hunted man. I hate quitters, especially if there isn't a reason to quit. Sure, there are times when a software tester wants to grill the programmer on the barbecue. Sure, there are times when you don't want to do anything about testing, since it doesn't seem things are progressing. But that's all part of the show. So put the thing aside for a couple of weeks and return to testing later on, when things are getting interesting again. But to totally quit? Never! I want this game to go on the market.

Of course I can understand that especially the testers of the first hour are disappointed, since the whole thing is really very, very slowly progressing. That those guys tend to get a little tired running things is understandable. That they decide to postpone testing for all kind of reasons is expected. But to totally quit? That's pretty drastic.
What I would like to see is some of the old guard returning to beta testing (if they can). I think that would help a lot...

If your implying I had no reason then I suggest you think again.

If you think I'm using the NDA as a shield I suggest you think again.

If you think it was the length of time the beta was taking you are wrong.

First: I'm not saying that you didn't have a reason to quit. Reading is difficult, isn't it. In my opinion, people who quit usually do these kind of things out of the wrong reasons. Not being able to accept certain points of view from people in charge is one of them. After having to deal with you on this forum, I think you are in that category (if not, why are you always saying: "I'm right and you are wrong" in your posts).

Second: I didn't think you are using the NDA as a shield. If things have occured which you can't speak about here, than that's to bad for us. If you can't seem to give the reason due to the contract, than that is a valid way of excusing yourself and we have to abide by that decision and don't press on the attack. However: this also means that you should be a little more cautious in how you operate on this forum. You know what happens behind the public screens, so you should know better...

Third: the second paragraph (is this good English) was not intended to you personally, but in general to the Beta testers who have slowly decided to leave things as they were at that time and who didn't simply quit, but just vanished out of view. It is difficult to keep volunteers working for you if there are continuous delays and it doesn't seem things are drawing to a close soon, especially since it is work done "at distance". I haven't even got a clue how Steve looks like, or Bo, or Warspite, or Red Prince or all other people behind this. That is a disadvantage. I would like to get a beer (Budweiser is absolutely out of the question) somewhere in a pub in the world with all of them (keep on dreaming) to make sure everyone is again on the same track if I were in Steve's place. However, that isn't going to happen. I'm convinced there are a lot of the old beta testers around who have put this thing behind them, thinking: "This is never going to happen". They are wrong, but I can't blame them. A decade of development is a very, very long time.

[brian brian]

my head hurts

[bo]

I rarely ever disagree with the gentleman from Hoorn but there are two things he has said that I have to disagree with him, one is the Budweiser question that we will probably never resolve [:-] and two that Extraneous may not be hiding behind his NDA. He is hiding behind it like all cowards hide behind something, like behind the fifth amendment [:@] with Matrix it is the NDA.

Fess up, what is Matrix going to do beat you with a wet noodle? Lock you in a room with crussdaddy for a week, hmmmm, whew that would be punishment above and beyond cruelty [&o]

Then again with all your brilliant knowledge of computer programing, just maybe this was beneath your gigantic ego to solve the problem of why a unit was getting a madexcept for doing this or doing that.

Just getting warmed up to the task at hand Extraneous [;)] You end the insults here and I will.

Bo

[bo]

ORIGINAL: brian brian

my head hurts

He he, mine too brian brian, please take a Lorazepam like I do when dealing with some posters here, who will remain nameless [:D]

Bo

[Extraneous]

ORIGINAL: Centuur
First: I'm not saying that you didn't have a reason to quit. Reading is difficult, isn't it. In my opinion, people who quit usually do these kind of things out of the wrong reasons. Not being able to accept certain points of view from people in charge is one of them. After having to deal with you on this forum, I think you are in that category (if not, why are you always saying: "I'm right and you are wrong" in your posts).

Second: I didn't think you are using the NDA as a shield. If things have occured which you can't speak about here, than that's to bad for us. If you can't seem to give the reason due to the contract, than that is a valid way of excusing yourself and we have to abide by that decision and don't press on the attack. However: this also means that you should be a little more cautious in how you operate on this forum. You know what happens behind the public screens, so you should know better...

Third: the second paragraph (is this good English) was not intended to you personally, but in general to the Beta testers who have slowly decided to leave things as they were at that time and who didn't simply quit, but just vanished out of view. It is difficult to keep volunteers working for you if there are continuous delays and it doesn't seem things are drawing to a close soon, especially since it is work done "at distance". I haven't even got a clue how Steve looks like, or Bo, or Warspite, or Red Prince or all other people behind this. That is a disadvantage. I would like to get a beer (Budweiser is absolutely out of the question) somewhere in a pub in the world with all of them (keep on dreaming) to make sure everyone is again on the same track if I were in Steve's place. However, that isn't going to happen. I'm convinced there are a lot of the old beta testers around who have put this thing behind them, thinking: "This is never going to happen". They are wrong, but I can't blame them. A decade of development is a very, very long time.

Oh I'm sorry. I see now you didn't really mean to post it this way.

ORIGINAL: Centuur
I agree that Mr. Extranous is now a hunted man. I hate quitters, especially if there isn't a reason to quit.

Is writing hard for you [&:]


I hope I'm entertaining you all. It seams to me you would rather flame someone than start a thread or post something about the game. So I'm willing to continue if you are.

I asked you all politely to post something about the game last week and you all appear to have refused.

[paulderynck]

ORIGINAL: Extraneous

I asked you all politely to post something about the game last week and you all appear to have refused.

There's just a ton of posts about the game right now in the Development Forum that all the beta-testers have access to.

[bo]

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

ORIGINAL: Extraneous

I asked you all politely to post something about the game last week and you all appear to have refused.

There's just a ton of posts about the game right now in the Development Forum that all the beta-testers have access to.

Good lord paul your right and I have been reading them and enjoying them all day. Extraneous I was going to send you an e-mail about where we stand with the game last week but I realized that I had signed an NDA form and I just could not bring myself around to breaking it. [:-] Sorry!.

Bo

[bo]

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[bo]

Extraneous

I hope I'm entertaining you all. It seams to me you would rather flame someone than start a thread or post something about the game. So I'm willing to continue if you are.

You Sir are not entertaining trust me, I personally would rather flame someone then start a new thread about the game [:D] The other day I tried to start a conversation about the AI and how it would be implemented into the game [Will this ship with an AI] and after two way out in left field answers which had nothing to do with the post I gave up.

Bo

[Extraneous]

ORIGINAL: paulderynck
There's just a ton of posts about the game right now in the Development Forum that all the beta-testers have access to.

Yes I know but you should have said:

There's just a ton of posts about the game right now in the Development Forum that ONLY the beta-testers have access to.

ORIGINAL: bo

Good lord paul your right and I have been reading them and enjoying them all day. Extraneous I was going to send you an e-mail about where we stand with the game last week but I realized that I had signed an NDA form and I just could not bring myself around to breaking it. Sorry!.

Bo

I'm glad you honored your NDA.

bo did you gave up after your Post #50?

Where you had 7 posts that followed which you didn't respond to.

ORIGINAL: bo

You Sir are not entertaining trust me, I personally would rather flame someone then start a new thread about the game The other day I tried to start a conversation about the AI and how it would be implemented into the game [Will this ship with an AI] and after two way out in left field answers which had nothing to do with the post I gave up.

Bo

Let me help you out.

=====> Sarcasm Alert <=====

I hope I'm entertaining you all.

=====> Sarcasm Ends <=====

It seams to me you would rather flame someone than start a thread or post something about the game. So I'm willing to continue if you are.

I asked you all politely to post something about the game last week and you all appear to have refused.

[Joseignacio]

Children, calm down. this used to be a very civil forum. I am surprised and upset.

So upset, I will not make any complaints about the excess of Political Correction (or "well-meaning censorship) that I hate with all my heart, and I will stop here not to put one more flame in the fire.

[pzgndr]

GameNazi says: No game for you!

[bo]

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

Children, calm down. this used to be a very civil forum. I am surprised and upset.

So upset, I will not make any complaints about the excess of Political Correction (or "well-meaning censorship) that I hate with all my heart, and I will stop here not to put one more flame in the fire.

Jose your right we are acting like children, well at least I am [:-]

I just do not like to see my fellow beta testers get talked down to by anyone and I do not want to go back to the old Bo of two years ago. So not to offend anyone anymore I will cease and desist.

Deleted the word ripped.

Bo