When?

[wfzimmerman]

Tuning back in after a long absence.

Glad to see that things are still moving along.

It concerns me that the same show-stopping Theme Engine bugs have been at the top of the report for two months straight. I would cut the Gordian knot and plug in the Windows code right now. No bugs that severe should be allowed to survive for this long.

[brian brian]

"since supply only needs to be recalculated for the moving unit"

Is MWiF changing supply status for the moving unit as it moves?

"for air units returning to base"

not sure why it is checked there....couldn't that be done for the whole board at once at the end of combat? air units returning to base can't fly again regardless.

dynamic supply status has cost a lot, I think. what if supply status was only checked for a player if they clicked on a unit? then the player could choose how much time the program spends on it. aside from the mandatory checks before any move, combat, or re-org? probably too late now I guess. setting flags so the whole board isn't recalculated seems to be a lot of work.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: wfzimmerman

Tuning back in after a long absence.

Glad to see that things are still moving along.

It concerns me that the same show-stopping Theme Engine bugs have been at the top of the report for two months straight. I would cut the Gordian knot and plug in the Windows code right now. No bugs that severe should be allowed to survive for this long.

2 months? Try 2 years![:D]

One only occurs when the game is minimized - and not always under that circumstance. The other has to do with listing detailed (Windows disk file) information about a saved game - again this is not something that players do very often.

When deciding whether to restore a saved game, MWIF presents a bunch of information about the game: real world date and time saved, game turn, impulse #, phase, which major powers are deciding, etc.

The standard Windows graphics are really ugly. Besides, the use of unique colors (which is the primary purpose for using Theme Engine) for each major power is a great help when playing the game: you always are reminded of for which major power you are making decisions.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: brian brian

"since supply only needs to be recalculated for the moving unit"

Is MWiF changing supply status for the moving unit as it moves?

"for air units returning to base"

not sure why it is checked there....couldn't that be done for the whole board at once at the end of combat? air units returning to base can't fly again regardless.

dynamic supply status has cost a lot, I think. what if supply status was only checked for a player if they clicked on a unit? then the player could choose how much time the program spends on it. aside from the mandatory checks before any move, combat, or re-org? probably too late now I guess. setting flags so the whole board isn't recalculated seems to be a lot of work.

It's actually faster to recalculate supply for each unit as it returns to base, since supply is calculated for just that unit. Searching the map for all units that have returned to base in the previous phase would take more time.

Determining supply status for a unit takes less than 10 milliseconds. The vast amount of the time required to recalculate supply is for the paths from secondary supply sources to primary supply sources. Once those are known, tertiary supply sources and units have at most 4 Basic Supply Path Hexes to search. Note that valid sea area routes are determined when checking supply paths for the secondary supply sources.

So, as long as nothing has happened to change the supply status of the ultimate or intermediary supply sources, calculating unit supply is super fast. Even when something has occurred that changes supply for a supply source, the first check is to see if the old path still works - which is usually the case. Validating previous supply paths is also super fast.

[Joseignacio]

Steve, as of now (sorry if I disturb but I cannot very well interprete the Report due to my lack of knowledge in those processes), would you say we are speaking of months or of years for the release?

I stand by my comments that the game will be ready when it's ready. And I understand that, although you have not been commenting on your health, that is probably an issue yet (and for some time perhaps), but I reminded to my wif group that there is this game coming (final betatesting phase), but they would like to know if we're speaking of months or years. If possible.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

Steve, as of now (sorry if I disturb but I cannot very well interprete the Report due to my lack of knowledge in those processes), would you say we are speaking of months or of years for the release?

I stand by my comments that the game will be ready when it's ready. And I understand that, although you have not been commenting on your health, that is probably an issue yet (and for some time perhaps), but I reminded to my wif group that there is this game coming (final betatesting phase), but they would like to know if we're speaking of months or years. If possible.

Months.

My health is mostly stable at this point. I haven't been writing about it in the monthly reports recently because I didn't see it as being of particular interest to most readers - unless more dire things occurred. My left eye, which had treatment for a melanoma in August 2011 is clear of cancer cells, but the radiation treatment has had some lingering bad effects. In the past couple of months it has reverted from 20/40 vision to not performing well at all.[:(] I'm getting injections into that eye every 6 weeks now. For the record, having a doctor stick a needle in your eye is better than having one come at you with a scalpel. None of this particularly affects my productivity, although I have noticed that my left eye has been complaining sooner (after 2-3 hours) when I work at the computer for long periods.

[bo]

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

ORIGINAL: warspite1

BTW, and as you no doubt know, the "issue" of German partisans is not in anyway holding up the game because they are not in the game.

Oh Lord, I guess I should have included smilies... I hope the thousands of people reading this are not likewise confused. [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:'(][:D][:D][:)][&:][8|][&o][:-][:'(][:'(]

Hi Cruss how are you, I wish you did post 20 times a month I miss your intuitiveness when you only post 8 times a month. Most of the time I am confused [&:] but not by this post, you are just expressing your concerns and most of us understand that [;)]

Notice Cruss just 2 smileys [:@] ooops 3

Bo

[Extraneous]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

"Number of hits" does not equal "Number of people." You know this. I give you 15-20 hits a month and I'm not that very active. My comment is based on common sense and a precisely tuned bull$hit detector.

So since the May report there have been 8 new posts - but you visit 15-20 times??? What are you hoping the posts magically change since last reading or do you have to read slowly and in small doses?


As for the finely tuned BS detector - I have no doubt you have one and that it is indeed finely tuned - after use on yourself, the original BSer...

Yes, CrusssDaddy visits quite often I have seen his handle here several times where he doesn't post. In fact he is on as I post this.

I do the same thing wondering if there are any new posts that are worth responding to.

Hows it going Cruss [:D]

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Extraneous

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

"Number of hits" does not equal "Number of people." You know this. I give you 15-20 hits a month and I'm not that very active. My comment is based on common sense and a precisely tuned bull$hit detector.

So since the May report there have been 8 new posts - but you visit 15-20 times??? What are you hoping the posts magically change since last reading or do you have to read slowly and in small doses?


As for the finely tuned BS detector - I have no doubt you have one and that it is indeed finely tuned - after use on yourself, the original BSer...

Yes, CrusssDaddy visits quite often I have seen his handle here several times where he doesn't post. In fact he is on as I post this.

I do the same thing wondering if there are any new posts that are worth responding to.

Hows it going Cruss [:D]

warspite1

Yep, makes perfect sense to me. You see a post dated, for example 1st June by say Steve. You go into the thread and read it + any previous posts you haven't read. Next day, and day after, and day after etc etc the last post is still dated 1st June by Steve, but you go in to the thread to see if there re any new posts worth responding to....

Er.....

[Extraneous]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Extraneous

ORIGINAL: warspite1



So since the May report there have been 8 new posts - but you visit 15-20 times??? What are you hoping the posts magically change since last reading or do you have to read slowly and in small doses?


As for the finely tuned BS detector - I have no doubt you have one and that it is indeed finely tuned - after use on yourself, the original BSer...

Yes, CrusssDaddy visits quite often I have seen his handle here several times where he doesn't post. In fact he is on as I post this.

I do the same thing wondering if there are any new posts that are worth responding to.

Hows it going Cruss [:D]

warspite1

Yep, makes perfect sense to me. You see a post dated, for example 1st June by say Steve. You go into the thread and read it + any previous posts you haven't read. Next day, and day after, and day after etc etc the last post is still dated 1st June by Steve, but you go in to the thread to see if there re any new posts worth responding to....

Er.....

I have no desire to ask for or participate in reading assignments from you.

Have you now decided to establish a time limit on posts here [&:]

How and when I post are up to me not you.

As I have mentioned in these forums confrontation is not the way to handle everyone that visits the forums.

Try to be civil even when you are confrontational.

Yes I am lecturing you (you need it).



When was the last time you took responsability and started a thread [&:]

Warspite1 since it is so important to you what is your "read a thread" to "post on a thread" ratio [&:]

I'm sure someone like you would be monitoring those statistics.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Extraneous

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Extraneous



Yes, CrusssDaddy visits quite often I have seen his handle here several times where he doesn't post. In fact he is on as I post this.

I do the same thing wondering if there are any new posts that are worth responding to.

Hows it going Cruss [:D]

warspite1

Yep, makes perfect sense to me. You see a post dated, for example 1st June by say Steve. You go into the thread and read it + any previous posts you haven't read. Next day, and day after, and day after etc etc the last post is still dated 1st June by Steve, but you go in to the thread to see if there re any new posts worth responding to....

Er.....

I have no desire to ask for or participate in reading assignments from you.

Have you now decided to establish a time limit on posts here [&:]

How and when I post are up to me not you.

As I have mentioned in these forums confrontation is not the way to handle everyone that visits the forums.

Try to be civil even when you are confrontational.

Yes I am lecturing you (you need it).



When was the last time you took responsability and started a thread [&:]

Warspite1 since it is so important to you what is your "read a thread" to "post on a thread" ratio [&:]

I'm sure someone like you would be monitoring those statistics.

warspite1

Oh dear....[8|]

I have no desire to ask for or participate in reading assignments from you.

Have you now decided to establish a time limit on posts here

How and when I post are up to me not you.

Warspite1 since it is so important to you what is your "read a thread" to "post on a thread" ratio

You know full well - if you could be bothered to read the exchange - to what I was referring. My post had nothing to do with your post/viewing requirements. But then, as I say, you know this. You are just looking for an argument - as usual.

Try to be civil even when you are confrontational.

Please re-read that comment, but be careful you will probably choke on the irony. It is you that needs to reflect on how you "speak" to people on this forum. And yes I am lecturing you (you need it).

When was the last time you took responsability and started a thread

May want to check your spelling and punctuation there. Oh and by the way
"How and when I post are up to me not you". But more importantly, just what has that question got to do with the price of fish? Took responsibility?? What the .....?

So you started "strategy and repurcussions (may want to check your spelling) in the Balkans" - what? you want a medal? A decent thread that you totally ruined through your turgid nonsense on what a rule means and how it should be worded [:-].

Anyway, I'll leave you and your new bezzy mate, crusssdaddy, to enjoy each others company. Good luck with that [8|]

[wworld7]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

For the record, having a doctor stick a needle in your eye is better than having one come at you with a scalpel.

Sadly, I know THIS experience, as every couple of years I get a needle in my left eye (to get my vision in that eye back down to 20-40).

This is absolutely no fun and I always wonder what if he sneezes while he is holding the needle in my eye...

[Extraneous]

My quotes show what I what I was referring to. Cruss does logon and view the threads without posting, as do I.


December 3, 2012 Warspite1 creates a thread ~ OT Most Beautiful Ships of WWII

If you haven't noticed it is very slow here on the forums. Why haven't any of you been started a thread to provoke interest in the game? In my view if you start a thread then you are responsible for that thread. When I don't agree with some of the premises on a thread I am "bezzy" enough to keep it to myself or I ask questions.


Warspite1 is there nothing you as a beta tester have found in MWiF that would interest others who are not beta testers? Somehow I doubt that there is nothing you have found in MWiF that wouldn't interest others.

If any of you are passionate about an aspect of the game (pro or con) start a thread let's all discuss it. If you are a member of the MWiF beta test it may be necessary get Steve's permission first.



I thought I should also mention to those that suggest I play the game to understand it.

I played WiF prior to joining the ADG beta test Patrice considers this to be the ADG Alpha test. Most of you did not. I have a list of the ADG beta testers, as does Patrice. The group I played WiF with here interpreted several of the rules differently than you all do. This causes some very heated discussions here in the forums.

In this situation I stop in this order:
When Steve says to stop,
It is found on the ADG FAQ, or
There is a ruling from the Yahoo group that clarifies the situation, or
I am shown where I missed a rule within a rule.


Translation from the Queens English to American English: bezzy - friend, friends, or friendly.

Bezzy is a good word is it pronounced bee Zee?

Yes I have a link to translate slang for the Queens English. But it doesn't cover Coo. Is Coo like Cor?

You start to worry when the doctor tells you "I'm here to give you your colonoscopy", you inform him your there for an endoscopy, and he says he does both.

I don't mind putting a little fear into the doctors (it keeps them on their toes). But I dislike the stress wondering if the doctor is going to send the camera down the correct orifice.

[bo]

ORIGINAL: Extraneous

My quotes show what I what I was referring to. Cruss does logon and view the threads without posting, as do I.


December 3, 2012 Warspite1 creates a thread ~ OT Most Beautiful Ships of WWII

If you haven't noticed it is very slow here on the forums. Why haven't any of you been started a thread to provoke interest in the game? In my view if you start a thread then you are responsible for that thread. When I don't agree with some of the premises on a thread I am "bezzy" enough to keep it to myself or I ask questions.


Warspite1 is there nothing you as a beta tester have found in MWiF that would interest others who are not beta testers? Somehow I doubt that there is nothing you have found in MWiF that wouldn't interest others.

If any of you are passionate about an aspect of the game (pro or con) start a thread let's all discuss it. If you are a member of the MWiF beta test it may be necessary get Steve's permission first.



I thought I should also mention to those that suggest I play the game to understand it.

I played WiF prior to joining the ADG beta test Patrice considers this to be the ADG Alpha test. Most of you did not. I have a list of the ADG beta testers, as does Patrice. The group I played WiF with here interpreted several of the rules differently than you all do. This causes some very heated discussions here in the forums.

In this situation I stop in this order:
When Steve says to stop,
It is found on the ADG FAQ, or
There is a ruling from the Yahoo group that clarifies the situation, or
I am shown where I missed a rule within a rule.


Translation from the Queens English to American English: bezzy - friend, friends, or friendly.

Bezzy is a good word is it pronounced bee Zee?

Yes I have a link to translate slang for the Queens English. But it doesn't cover Coo. Is Coo like Cor?

You start to worry when the doctor tells you "I'm here to give you your colonoscopy", you inform him your there for an endoscopy, and he says he does both.

I don't mind putting a little fear into the doctors (it keeps them on their toes). But I dislike the stress wondering if the doctor is going to send the camera down the correct orifice.

Gee whiz I was finding this tit for tat very interesting between you two until this post, HUH! Now I am confused [easy to do] not nice to confuse the Bo, [&:] hopefully in the next month or two we will have a lot more constructive concerns about the game in your posts Extraneous as we wind down here to completion of this very complex game. Lets play nice [;)]

P.S. Please, double please, triple please, always let a sleeping dog lie do not awaken him because they can get very angry and growl nasty grrrrrr's. Errr not calling you a dog Cruss [:-] it's just a phrase I heard somewhere.

Bo

[warspite1]

In response to your post Extraneous I answer as follows:

Bezzy = best. Bezzy mates = best friend

AFAIK I think its a northern English thing - you tend to hear it on programmes based in the north - Manchester and Liverpool and such like.

As for posting threads, there is one major reason I have started little over the years re the actual game. That is because I only played the 5th Edition - and that was coming up to 20 years ago. Therefore what I have to say about rules and about strategy is not worth writing - its a different game now.

As for me being a Beta Tester, I quickly realised that this is not my forte. I am so computer illiterate I was spending more time asking questions on technical stuff - like downloading the new versions and such like - than actually testing the game; not productive for me and certainly not for Steve.

As a result I devoted my spare time instead to the ship and some land unit write ups.

As I have mentioned before, I love the board game - best game I have ever played - but personal circumstance means that MWIF is realistically the only chance I will get to play it again; so I want this game out as much as anyone.

The wait time has been incredibly frustrating for everybody, and the toll on Steve's health is evident for all to see. But everyone is doing their best given the constraints and barriers that real life throws up. There are beta testers, many of whom have been here since I joined back in 2008, continuing to give their time for free. With this as the backdrop, to then have trolls come along and barrack, whine, throw up conspiracy theories and, worst of all, have a go at Steve (the man responsible for getting this game done) really cheeses me off. I will endeavour to simply ignore such people going forward - but its not always easy...

[CrusssDaddy]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

In response to your post Extraneous I answer as follows:

Bezzy = best. Bezzy mates = best friend

AFAIK I think its a northern English thing - you tend to hear it on programmes based in the north - Manchester and Liverpool and such like.

As for posting threads, there is one major reason I have started little over the years re the actual game. That is because I only played the 5th Edition - and that was coming up to 20 years ago. Therefore what I have to say about rules and about strategy is not worth writing - its a different game now.

As for me being a Beta Tester, I quickly realised that this is not my forte. I am so computer illiterate I was spending more time asking questions on technical stuff - like downloading the new versions and such like - than actually testing the game; not productive for me and certainly not for Steve.

As a result I devoted my spare time instead to the ship and some land unit write ups.

As I have mentioned before, I love the board game - best game I have ever played - but personal circumstance means that MWIF is realistically the only chance I will get to play it again; so I want this game out as much as anyone.

The wait time has been incredibly frustrating for everybody, and the toll on Steve's health is evident for all to see. But everyone is doing their best given the constraints and barriers that real life throws up. There are beta testers, many of whom have been here since I joined back in 2008, continuing to give their time for free. With this as the backdrop, to then have trolls come along and barrack, whine, throw up conspiracy theories and, worst of all, have a go at Steve (the man responsible for getting this game done) really cheeses me off. I will endeavour to simply ignore such people going forward - but its not always easy...

So... you haven't played the game in 20 years? This clarifies things substantially.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

ORIGINAL: warspite1

In response to your post Extraneous I answer as follows:

Bezzy = best. Bezzy mates = best friend

AFAIK I think its a northern English thing - you tend to hear it on programmes based in the north - Manchester and Liverpool and such like.

As for posting threads, there is one major reason I have started little over the years re the actual game. That is because I only played the 5th Edition - and that was coming up to 20 years ago. Therefore what I have to say about rules and about strategy is not worth writing - its a different game now.

As for me being a Beta Tester, I quickly realised that this is not my forte. I am so computer illiterate I was spending more time asking questions on technical stuff - like downloading the new versions and such like - than actually testing the game; not productive for me and certainly not for Steve.

As a result I devoted my spare time instead to the ship and some land unit write ups.

As I have mentioned before, I love the board game - best game I have ever played - but personal circumstance means that MWIF is realistically the only chance I will get to play it again; so I want this game out as much as anyone.

The wait time has been incredibly frustrating for everybody, and the toll on Steve's health is evident for all to see. But everyone is doing their best given the constraints and barriers that real life throws up. There are beta testers, many of whom have been here since I joined back in 2008, continuing to give their time for free. With this as the backdrop, to then have trolls come along and barrack, whine, throw up conspiracy theories and, worst of all, have a go at Steve (the man responsible for getting this game done) really cheeses me off. I will endeavour to simply ignore such people going forward - but its not always easy...

So... you haven't played the game in 20 years? This clarifies things substantially.

warspite1

May I say how pleased I am to have been able to assist in substantially clarifying things for you.

May I also add some more precise information in the hope that this adds substantially to the clarification of things; it is 16 years and 10 months since I have played WIF 5th Edition.

I trust that this further knowledge re the thing department has clarified said things to an even more substantial level, but please let me know if I can be of any more assistance in providing you with clarification (or at least substantial clarification).

Damn...and I was supposed to be ignoring your mindless drivel [:@]

[Plainian]

Same here. WIF 5th Ed only. I must have bought it some time after 1991 as that is the date on the Rules Booklet. Mostly solo attempts to play the thing. One attempt to play FTF with 2 other players.

So you are not alone.

[bo]

Damn...and I was supposed to be ignoring your mindless drivel

Hmmmmmmmm [:-]

The difference between crussdaddy and you Warspite is that a good Englishman like you will go down with their ship, and my friend crussdaddy will steal a raft from a child to save himself [:D]
Does this have anything to do with your post, of course not, just trying to add a little humor to these humorless posts lately. Whatever happened to RE: When!

Bo

[marklv]

My only hope is that the game will be released before the 10th anniversary of Steve's start on this huge project. Let's cut Steve some slack - he has been ill and is not a young guy any more - and he is also the only one who is developing this game. There are plenty of other games to play in the meantime. Those who check this thread with baited breath for some exciting new update need to get a life. Steve's monthly updates are interesting and informative - let's let the man do his job and wait patiently. I'm giving this project up to 2015 to finish - if it still isn't done by then I will consider it 'vapourware' - but until then I will continue to wait and see.