Hairy Asian Experiences - GreyJoy (J) vs. Q-Ball (A)

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: obvert
In spite of the fact he neglected to include numbers from incoming groups,

You know thats just a Urban JFB myth right? [:D] In fact (going by memory here) between 11/43 and 11/44 the allies receive a whopping 75 P47s and 50 P51s via incoming groups. So that 10,4 extra proper USAAF airframes per month. Kind of negligible don´t you think? [;)]

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

ORIGINAL: obvert
In spite of the fact he neglected to include numbers from incoming groups,

You know thats just a Urban JFB myth right? [:D] In fact (going by memory here) between 11/43 and 11/44 the allies receive a whopping 75 P47s and 50 P51s via incoming groups. So that 10,4 extra proper USAAF airframes per month. Kind of negligible don´t you think? [;)]

You do know I'm on summer break and I'l be able to count this up now, right? [:D]

ORIGINAL: kjnoel

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

2x30 QLorna factories

Why the Lorna Greyjoy? Doesn't seem to have any value I can see...

The Lorna has both radar and MAD so theoretically should be a pretty good ASW platform, although it's bomb load is small.

[koniu]

GreyJoy congratulations. Great Victory.


I was thinking about result You achieve and how Beta patch impact game.
As we know beta make LBA attack less effective. At lest less effective comparing to stock game. But get to point. As we know like in real life also in many games Japan is losing most in not all carriers before `44. In stock game it was not issue. JFB should be able to mass planes in few big AF and get trough enemy CAP like hot knife trough batter sinking everything he will find behind CAP. But You know that already [:D]

Beta is different story. I think when playing under beta Japanese player need to preserve carriers in service as long as passable. I know it will use tons of fuel. But under beta KB is probably only platform able to send big coordinated naval strike. Strike that will be newer passable by LBA. IF You in last battle use all those planes only as LBA i am almost sure that effect would be less pleasing.

koniu

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: kjnoel

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

2x30 QLorna factories

Why the Lorna Greyjoy? Doesn't seem to have any value I can see...

As Obvert said, it should be a decent ASW plane, even if its range is horrible. Consider that when I planned my Air production (exactly one year of RL ago) I was a complete newby as Japan and made a lot of mistakes too. I was convinced to produce the Lorna basing on the observations made in few threads by NY59Giants (one of my Gurus along with Damian, Mike Solli and PaxMondo). So I did decide to go for it. In my next game I won't. Even if it's a good plane for ASW duties, its range makes it a very poor plane. I will probably use it ONLY in Formosa and in very few others straights....nothing more. Defenetly not worth investing 2 R&D factories in it, especially in a scenario with Realistic R&D ON.... where you basically can never get back from your previous choices.

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
I've already been there Joc. The Spits and the T-Bolts, alone, are able to obtain much more than a 7-1...also because Brad can use them on CAP while he advances.

The N1K2 is a very good plane imho and slightly better than the J2M3. Why so many? Because i'm gonna lose a heckaluva lot of them when the P47s will start to sweep in great numbers, followed by hordes of B-24s and B-29s... i need deep pools!

He might be able to get those numbers on the defensive. But not on the offense if you do it right. And you usually do. Besides by the looks of it the air war might be a weak spot for Q-ball. Either he hasn´t been doing it very well or you have been doing it extremely well. He won´t be able to get 7-1 results. Of that I´m sure.

Strange about the Jacks. I seem to suffer a bit against them while the George is just cannon fodder. At least when I sweep. That is at least the feeling I have.

Both the Jack and the George are dead meat when the 3rd generation allied sweep. The Jack has a better climb rate, which may help a bit, but the N2K2 has a better mvr over 20,000 feet... so I think they are more or less equal. What I like about the J3M3 is that it uses the Ha-32, so I can stress a lot less the Ha-45 pool

[GreyJoy]

Brad is a bit busy at work in these days, so the game will be slow/on hold for a couple of more days probably. Not bad cause i'm pretty busy too

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
Both the Jack and the George are dead meat when the 3rd generation allied sweep. The Jack has a better climb rate, which may help a bit, but the N2K2 has a better mvr over 20,000 feet... so I think they are more or less equal. What I like about the J3M3 is that it uses the Ha-32, so I can stress a lot less the Ha-45 pool

Might be the climb that has managed to get the Jack above the sweeps getting a better result than the George? Do you really think MVR is that important? Obviously I know nothing of engine stuff but if I was a Jap player I would build Jacks instead of Georges. [:)]

But as you say they are both dead against the P47 so perhaps its moot.

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
I've already been there Joc. The Spits and the T-Bolts, alone, are able to obtain much more than a 7-1...also because Brad can use them on CAP while he advances.

The N1K2 is a very good plane imho and slightly better than the J2M3. Why so many? Because i'm gonna lose a heckaluva lot of them when the P47s will start to sweep in great numbers, followed by hordes of B-24s and B-29s... i need deep pools!

He might be able to get those numbers on the defensive. But not on the offense if you do it right. And you usually do. Besides by the looks of it the air war might be a weak spot for Q-ball. Either he hasn´t been doing it very well or you have been doing it extremely well. He won´t be able to get 7-1 results. Of that I´m sure.

Strange about the Jacks. I seem to suffer a bit against them while the George is just cannon fodder. At least when I sweep. That is at least the feeling I have.

Both the Jack and the George are dead meat when the 3rd generation allied sweep. The Jack has a better climb rate, which may help a bit, but the N2K2 has a better mvr over 20,000 feet... so I think they are more or less equal. What I like about the J3M3 is that it uses the Ha-32, so I can stress a lot less the Ha-45 pool

Jack, George, Frank-does not matter much. If they are based where they cannot be railed out then they are vulnerable to massed air power. You just have to have some service rating one aircraft even if they are inferior. Allies can never hope to match Japanese numbers until 1945, but with planning the Allied player should always be able to defeat the Japanese air force at the point of attack anytime after 1944. Any Allied player thinking about attrition is thinking about losing...

I am also beginning to think that strategic bombing of the home island is not necessary for a win either. Only took me 1200 turns to figure this out...[;)]

[GreyJoy]

The game started back, altough in a slow motion for this week.

While the enemy CVs retire to Darwin, there are still hundreds of ships in the Arafuna sea and the 1st USMC division keeps on unloading at Kaimana.
a quite turn anyway, with a raiding 2DDTF just sunk a regiment near Sorong in an XAKL TF... and while we ambushed one of his daily bombing missions over Damar, killing 60 allied planes[:'(]

Nothing to write home about anyway

[Chickenboy]

Page 2?  What in the heck is going on around here?  [:(]

[JohnDillworth]

Page 2? What in the heck is going on around here?

Don't add to the page count here. All the cool kids are hanging around in Sumantra[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]

[GreyJoy]

Sorry guys, me and Brad decided to slow down our rate a bit now that the summer is exploding in both our countries.... and also this gives a hand to CR in order to catch up a bit in the posts count ))))

What's happening? Well, the battle for Kaimana isn't over yet. We're are approaching Christmas '43 and the allies are far from conquering it. We have tangled with our air forces over Kaimana and Babo for 10 days now and i think i got the upper hand...at least for the moment. During the last 4 days the allies landed the 4th Aus Division there, along with a Corp HQ...but the japanese air army fought back and sunk at least 20/25 xAPs, 10 AK/xAKs, 1 APA and 1 LSD, along with what i estimate was more than a regiment worth of allied combat troops. The expense? 300 bombers and 200 fighters, but the allied fighter force suffered too, losing not less than 100/150 fighters over Babo and Kaimana.

The KB danced against subs for 6 days in order to reach a safe port (Bab)... luckly they didn't score a single hit...but man, there are a lot of them hunting around there!! My pilots pools are really in a bad shape, especially for what concerns the NavB skill...and i have run out of D4Ys!!!!... anyway, think Brad isn't that happy about how his DEI campaign is advancing...sure he's gaining ground...but at what cost!!!!

[Encircled]

Fantastic that you are still holding him.

Is he still taking risks to move quickly?

His losses suggests he is

[princep01]

Hummmm, that very cool Georgia lawyer's AAR is closing the gap.  Better get Q-Ball back in the saddle. 
 
And ALL the cool kids are NOT in Sumatra.....Ser Greyjoy is a permanent fixture here:).
 
Carry on Ser Greyjoy.  You are giving the Q-Ball a real run for his money.

[GreyJoy]

Hi all,

yes, I know we've been slow lately. Brad and I are a bit breathing... work is being harsh for both of us and I think QBall needed a bit of a break after the recent battles.
Now he's leaving for 15 days for a cruise in the Baltic so we'll probably resume our game in the last part of July.

We've done 3 more turns since the last update and Brad has nuked Boela with 5 bombardment TFs (shutting down the AF and killing 100 planes on the ground), forcing me to evacuate the field. However I think he has lost his momentum. At Kaimana his first attack did get a 1-1 and dropped the forts to 2 but he took way more casualities than me and every day my AV grows stronger... I know I cannot hold Kaimana for much longer but every day gained is a victory...every effort that slows him down and forces him to send more ships and risk more assets is a win for me.
The KB is now back at full strength and is ready to strike again. We managed to redeploy 2 divisions in the last week...divisions that will be sent to Menado Area in order to create another strong perimeter once the Sorong line is broken.

Usual recon missions over Western Sumatra. I'm not forgetting that corner of the map...especially after CR's latest shows[;)]...I'm creating an air reserve to be used there in case of immediate threat.

What else? The overall situation isn't that bad. In Burma we're getting ready to move back to Thailand...the pressure is too high now and the loss of the 33rd Division at Akyab hurts a lot.

As far as I can tell the allied CVs are moving back to the Torres Strait...probably getting back to the pacific. My KB is at Bab...so in a perfect position. Let's see what will happen. Now, in 10 days, we'll start producing the D4Y4...I really hope to be able to use a lot of them in my next encounter with the allied CVs.

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: Encircled

Fantastic that you are still holding him.

Is he still taking risks to move quickly?

His losses suggests he is

No, he slowed back a lot... but now that he's so close to our main bases, every time he sends some TF in, he knows he's risking. And Biak is in a perfect position...right on his flank...

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: princep01

Hummmm, that very cool Georgia lawyer's AAR is closing the gap.  Better get Q-Ball back in the saddle. 

And ALL the cool kids are NOT in Sumatra.....Ser Greyjoy is a permanent fixture here:).

Carry on Ser Greyjoy.  You are giving the Q-Ball a real run for his money.

My Master! Nice to see you back!
Well, John and CR are playing a great match and they do deserve (especially the Georgian one[;)]) a bit of credit here...let them come closer... I do not dislike some healthy competition [:D]

However I think me and Brad really had a run...this game has exactly one year... and in one year we've done nearly 750 turns... not bad! I think it's ok if we slow down a bit for a while[;)]

I will carry on Master! Think I can still give him some pretty heavy headhaces... the KB is still intact and soon my LBA will be able to strike en masse again

[inqistor]

I see, that you mentioned, that you use old ZEROs for sacrificial escort duty. Since it does not seem, that either experience, speed, or maneuverability helps much during escort, your best bet would be something with armor. That way plane have chance to survive initial attack (and be target for another pass [:D])

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Now, in 10 days, we'll start producing the D4Y4...I really hope to be able to use a lot of them in my next encounter with the allied CVs.

Are you sure it is entirely KOSHER?
D4Y4 was kamikaze variant, and the bomb was not non-detachable. I have no idea, why it can be dropped it in-game.

[MrKane]

Going this way ... He should not have A7M, A6M8, Tojo, K-83 etc...
Who would like to play Jap side having just Zero, Val, Kate and Oscar for 5y war ?

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: inqistor

I see, that you mentioned, that you use old ZEROs for sacrificial escort duty. Since it does not seem, that either experience, speed, or maneuverability helps much during escort, your best bet would be something with armor. That way plane have chance to survive initial attack (and be target for another pass [:D])

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Now, in 10 days, we'll start producing the D4Y4...I really hope to be able to use a lot of them in my next encounter with the allied CVs.

Are you sure it is entirely KOSHER?
D4Y4 was kamikaze variant, and the bomb was not non-detachable. I have no idea, why it can be dropped it in-game.

Yes, that's why i'm really looking forward to have the SAM, tough it won't arrive untill early 1945

And yes, i think it's kosher. The game allows it, exactly as it allows the 8 hexes strikes vs. the 7 hexes of the allied CVs, or the Corsairs to take off from CVE Long Island. And i don't think it's an overview, like Jakes being able to operate from Subs just because the game doesn't understand the differences among FP types. The D4Y4 is a plane specifically made carrier capable by the devs.