Problems with the engagement of my SU

schascha · Post by **schascha** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:22 am

I doubled this post because I don't know where is the right place.

And a reply for this problem it's very important for me

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3359899&mpage=1&key=&#3359918

elmo3 · Post by **elmo3** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:31 am

You'll need to provide a save file just before the battle that repeats the problem for anyone to be able to give you a definitive answer.

The general answer is that SU's attached directly to a unit will participate in battles for that unit, and SU's attached to HQ's might participate if they pass a number of different checks.

schascha · Post by **schascha** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:07 pm

What can I do, now ??

I'm playing a server game and it's my turn, I engaged this combat but I'm waiting for engage tow more.

If you want to check it's a campagne between schascha and STEF78.

schascha · Post by **schascha** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:27 pm

If my opponent agrees with it, is it possible to replay the combats ???

STEF78 · Post by **STEF78** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:55 pm

ORIGINAL: schascha

If my opponent agrees with it, is it possible to replay the combats ???

If it's a bug, I'm of course ok for the replay.

If it's only a bad dice roll, I will be happy with the current result.

Maybe it's the spirit of all the leaders that you killed through aircraft bombing (Guderian, Von Kleist..) ... they want their revenge!!

schascha · Post by **schascha** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:30 pm

The result of this combat is not a good news but it's not a big deal.

My worries are about the next combats. I've attached 3 SU on almost my corps if I did that to have almost no SU engaged in the combats.

I want to replay to find the bug because I think there's one.

elmo3 · Post by **elmo3** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:30 pm

You can't replay battles in a server game. They are hard to use to troubleshoot problems. If you can duplicate the problem against the AI then someone can take a look at the save.

schascha · Post by **schascha** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:19 am

Sorry but I don't understand what can I do now ??

Should I keep playing without an answer on my problem ??

Do you think it's a kind of bug ???

elmo3 · Post by **elmo3** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:54 am

We can't give you an answer without a save and it's very hard to do that in a server game. I'd say go ahead and keep playing. Can't say if it's a bug or not. My suggestion was to play a game against the AI and try to duplicate the problem where you can refight the battles to see if the problem repeats.

schascha · Post by **schascha** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:27 am

Thx for the reply

schascha · Post by **schascha** » Sat Jul 27, 2013 2:04 pm

Hi Elmo,

I stopped my server because the bug happens all the time.

I dupplicate the situation : http://www.petit-fichier.fr/2013/07/27/test-su-start/

Battle on hex 99,68 ready to do

schascha · Post by **schascha** » Sat Jul 27, 2013 2:12 pm

I did some tests.

All the Corps have 3 SU attached and the HQ are in 5 hex

In combat SU engaged
9 Corps 18 attached
8 Corps 19 attached
7 Corps 19 attached
6 Corps 18 attached + 5 from HQ
6 Corps 18 attached + 2 from HQ
6 Corps 18 attached + 2 from HQ
5 Corps 15 attached + 9 from HQ
5 Corps 15 attached + 6 from HQ
5 Corps 15 attached + 10 from HQ
9 Corps + 1art div 16 attached
9 Corps + 2 art div 16 attached
9 Corps + 3art div 15 attached
9 Corps + 3art div + 1 rkt div 13 attached
6 Corps + 1art div 18 attached + 3from HQ
6 Corps + 3art div + 1rkt div + 3art brig 13 attached

Very strange results.

I look forward to hearing your reply and hope I would finish my game in good conditions

Thx by advance

Schascha

Blutch · Post by **Blutch** » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:12 pm

How it is possible that so much units are simply forget by the game ??

schascha · Post by **schascha** » Sat Jul 27, 2013 7:06 pm

ORIGINAL: schascha

Hi Elmo,

I stopped my server because the bug happens all the time.

I dupplicate the situation : http://www.petit-fichier.fr/2013/07/27/test-su-start/

Sorry I forgot to indicate the Location of the battle ready to do on hex 99,88

STEF78 · Post by **STEF78** » Sat Jul 27, 2013 7:36 pm

ORIGINAL: schascha

ORIGINAL: schascha

Hi Elmo,

I stopped my server because the bug happens all the time.

I dupplicate the situation : http://www.petit-fichier.fr/2013/07/27/test-su-start/

Sorry I forgot to indicate the Location of the battle ready to do on hex 99,88

The right place is 99,68

I did the test only 10 SU of 27 engaged

schascha · Post by **schascha** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 5:53 am

Elmo,

Did you have the opportunity to practice the test?

IF yes, what do you think about it ??

schascha

STEF78 · Post by **STEF78** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:11 pm

As I would like to resume my game agains Schascha, I ran another test

He attached directly 27 SU....[&:]

Joel Billings · Post by **Joel Billings** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:20 pm

There is a system limitation in the number of units that can participate in a combat. The system will try to involve all the on map units first, but as it approaches the limit, some support units may be left out. So what you're seeing is likely not a bug, but something we need to document.

schascha · Post by **schascha** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:03 pm

Thx Joel to take time for a reply.

Could you be more precise about the limitation.

Because during my tests I tried to find out this number of units without reach a clear answer.
I think the size of the units, the number and size of units by HQ are determinants factors too.

Joel Billings · Post by **Joel Billings** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:41 pm

I've been told the absolute max limit is 40, but this includes HQs as well as the actual fighting units. I've also been told it is possible the value in practice ican be somewhat lower than 40 given the way the system operates to limit the total.