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Hi all,

Martin? [8D]

[X(]

Leo "Apollo11"

Bear in mind I'm not a pilot when I say this, but I think I speak for the aviation community when I say:

Those people are absolute f*** wits. Sitting right in the path of the undershoot is stupid beyond belief for a number of reasons. The most basic (from their point of view) is the danger to themselves should the landing go wrong. And then they're right in the path of the jet blast once they've landed. There's also the potential distraction and risk to the pilot who's trying to land.

The road is closed when aircraft are on approach to land for just this reason, but apparently pedestrians are immune to the danger... No doubt if one of them was hurt they'd be getting into contact with some lawyer who'd make it the RAF's fault. [8|]
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Hi all,

Neverending problems for Boeing's newest 787 Dreamliner... [:(]


Ethiopean 787 fire at Heathrow

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There is clear proof that composite skin melted at the top and that there is considerable hole... I don't know how is composite skin repaired as opposed to standard aluminum skin...


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Hi all,

Neverending problems for Boeing's newest 787 Dreamliner... [:(]


Ethiopean 787 fire at Heathrow

There is clear proof that composite skin melted at the top and that there is considerable hole... I don't know how is composite skin repaired as opposed to standard aluminum skin...


Leo "Apollo11"

It's my understanding that the 787 batteries and auxiliary power unit are located in the airplanes 'belly', not near the tail. That area looks more like the service deck / restroom area. While it's a legitimate suggestion that this was yet another battery fire, it's way too early to conclude that.
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Hi all,
ORIGINAL: Dixie
ORIGINAL: Apollo11


Martin? [8D]

[X(]

Bear in mind I'm not a pilot when I say this, but I think I speak for the aviation community when I say:

Those people are absolute f*** wits. Sitting right in the path of the undershoot is stupid beyond belief for a number of reasons. The most basic (from their point of view) is the danger to themselves should the landing go wrong. And then they're right in the path of the jet blast once they've landed. There's also the potential distraction and risk to the pilot who's trying to land.

The road is closed when aircraft are on approach to land for just this reason, but apparently pedestrians are immune to the danger... No doubt if one of them was hurt they'd be getting into contact with some lawyer who'd make it the RAF's fault. [8|]

I know... I know...

But still, it is really not necessary to land on "piano keys" (i.e. the very beginning of the runway)...


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Hi all,

Martin? [8D]

[X(]

Leo "Apollo11"

Bear in mind I'm not a pilot when I say this, but I think I speak for the aviation community when I say:

Those people are absolute f*** wits. Sitting right in the path of the undershoot is stupid beyond belief for a number of reasons. The most basic (from their point of view) is the danger to themselves should the landing go wrong. And then they're right in the path of the jet blast once they've landed. There's also the potential distraction and risk to the pilot who's trying to land.

The road is closed when aircraft are on approach to land for just this reason, but apparently pedestrians are immune to the danger... No doubt if one of them was hurt they'd be getting into contact with some lawyer who'd make it the RAF's fault. [8|]

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Hi all,

I know... I know...

But still, it is really not necessary to land on "piano keys" (i.e. the very beginning of the runway)...


Leo "Apollo11"

It's also not necessary to stand in the undershoot. Whether or not it's necessary for a pilot to land on the piano keys is totally irrelevant to the matter IMO. The piano keys are part of the runway and therefore the pilot is totally within his/her rights to touch down there. Let's put it another way, if they were walking around an airport would you let them stand that close to an aircraft starting it's engines?

The bigger issue is people thinking that they can just stand wherever they like, usually with some shouting about paying taxes or similar. They used to do the same at Brize until the RAF coppers got sent to move them on. It's idiocy, I've seen what damage an idling jet engine can do, even a relatively low powered VC-10 engine. Aeroplanes are dangerous, engines especially so.

If they are stupid enough to stand there when a Typhoon is landing then they'll do the same when something big comes in. And in that case someone could/will be seriously hurt. Without reheat a Typhoon produces (iirc) about 34,000 lbs of thrust. A single Tristar engine produces 50,000 lbs or a C-17 engine 40,000 lbs. You've seen the video of what the Typhoon did, so imagine something with almost 10 times as much power.

Look for videos of Princess Juliana airport on Sint Maarten. Because that is where the situation will finish up, and then someone gets blown across the road and breaks limbs or gets killed. Or worse, causes enough of a distraction that it causes a crash.

It all comes under the umbrella of Flight Safety. Perhaps I have a different perspective to most people having been so involved with aircraft, no doubt Steve will have an aircrew type perspective on it as well. But for now at least... Rant over.
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Two words. Duct tape.[;)]

Two better words (well one, but the product is far superior).

Speed Tape. [:D]
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Hi all,

Neverending problems for Boeing's newest 787 Dreamliner... [:(]


Ethiopean 787 fire at Heathrow

There is clear proof that composite skin melted at the top and that there is considerable hole... I don't know how is composite skin repaired as opposed to standard aluminum skin...


Leo "Apollo11"

It's my understanding that the 787 batteries and auxiliary power unit are located in the airplanes 'belly', not near the tail. That area looks more like the service deck / restroom area. While it's a legitimate suggestion that this was yet another battery fire, it's way too early to conclude that.


Maybe someone smoking (illegally) in the restrooms? Or the third class passengers fired up their hibachi and it got a little out of control? [:D]


BTW APU fires usually start with a large tongue of flame coming out of the intake. It leaves a lot of soot, and would be easy to see against a white aircraft. [:(]
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ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

Neverending problems for Boeing's newest 787 Dreamliner... [:(]


Ethiopean 787 fire at Heathrow

There is clear proof that composite skin melted at the top and that there is considerable hole... I don't know how is composite skin repaired as opposed to standard aluminum skin...


Leo "Apollo11"

It's my understanding that the 787 batteries and auxiliary power unit are located in the airplanes 'belly', not near the tail. That area looks more like the service deck / restroom area. While it's a legitimate suggestion that this was yet another battery fire, it's way too early to conclude that.

I'm not an expert on the civvie world, but you cans ee some sort of structure just inside the door. Toilets tend to be placed in the middle of the cabin or right at the rear. So I'd say this was some sort of galley fire.


I'm not sure of the repair difficulties, to work with composites and do repairs in the RAF requires a special qualification and authorisation. I do know that most composites (and carbon fibre especially, which the 787 uses) is nasty stuff when it burns.
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quote]ORIGINAL: Apollo11
Hi all,

Martin? [8D]

[X(]

Leo "Apollo11"
Bear in mind I'm not a pilot when I say this, but I think I speak for the aviation community when I say:

Those people are absolute f*** wits. Sitting right in the path of the undershoot is stupid beyond belief for a number of reasons. The most basic (from their point of view) is the danger to themselves should the landing go wrong. And then they're right in the path of the jet blast once they've landed. There's also the potential distraction and risk to the pilot who's trying to land.

The road is closed when aircraft are on approach to land for just this reason, but apparently pedestrians are immune to the danger... No doubt if one of them was hurt they'd be getting into contact with some lawyer who'd make it the RAF's fault. [8|]
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Damn it, Dixie, I am a friffin pilot. And I am sick and Goddam tired of the media penis breaths who presume to judge besaed on their oh ! so ! wonderful ! experience !

Just look at the $hit pot they prepared for the crew of Asiana 214 ..... Just sayin.

Just asking. You know how it is. Ciao John
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ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

Neverending problems for Boeing's newest 787 Dreamliner... [:(]


Ethiopean 787 fire at Heathrow

There is clear proof that composite skin melted at the top and that there is considerable hole... I don't know how is composite skin repaired as opposed to standard aluminum skin...


Leo "Apollo11"

It's my understanding that the 787 batteries and auxiliary power unit are located in the airplanes 'belly', not near the tail. That area looks more like the service deck / restroom area. While it's a legitimate suggestion that this was yet another battery fire, it's way too early to conclude that.


Maybe someone smoking (illegally) in the restrooms? Or the third class passengers fired up their hibachi and it got a little out of control? [:D]


BTW APU fires usually start with a large tongue of flame coming out of the intake. It leaves a lot of soot, and would be easy to see against a white aircraft. [:(]

I think the APU is right at the back (as is standard on airliners), you can just see the shiny part of the exhaust. So if it was an APU fire then it's tracked forwards quite a bit [:D]
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Hi all,

I know... I know...

But still, it is really not necessary to land on "piano keys" (i.e. the very beginning of the runway)...


Leo "Apollo11"

It's also not necessary to stand in the undershoot. Whether or not it's necessary for a pilot to land on the piano keys is totally irrelevant to the matter IMO. The piano keys are part of the runway and therefore the pilot is totally within his/her rights to touch down there. Let's put it another way, if they were walking around an airport would you let them stand that close to an aircraft starting it's engines?

The bigger issue is people thinking that they can just stand wherever they like, usually with some shouting about paying taxes or similar. They used to do the same at Brize until the RAF coppers got sent to move them on. It's idiocy, I've seen what damage an idling jet engine can do, even a relatively low powered VC-10 engine. Aeroplanes are dangerous, engines especially so.

If they are stupid enough to stand there when a Typhoon is landing then they'll do the same when something big comes in. And in that case someone could/will be seriously hurt. Without reheat a Typhoon produces (iirc) about 34,000 lbs of thrust. A single Tristar engine produces 50,000 lbs or a C-17 engine 40,000 lbs. You've seen the video of what the Typhoon did, so imagine something with almost 10 times as much power.

Look for videos of Princess Juliana airport on Sint Maarten. Because that is where the situation will finish up, and then someone gets blown across the road and breaks limbs or gets killed. Or worse, causes enough of a distraction that it causes a crash.

It all comes under the umbrella of Flight Safety. Perhaps I have a different perspective to most people having been so involved with aircraft, no doubt Steve will have an aircrew type perspective on it as well. But for now at least... Rant over.


That's one advantage of a P-3. Left over box lunch hardboiled eggs thru the "free fall tube" would disburse that crowd. [:D] Not that I would do such a thing. [:D]
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Damn it, Dixie, I am a friffin pilot. And I am sick and Goddam tired of the media penis breaths who presume to judge besaed on their oh ! so ! wonderful ! experience !

Just look at the $hit pot they prepared for the crew of Asiana 214 ..... Just sayin.

Just asking. You know how it is. Ciao John

Have you ever had people sat there in any of your approaches? I can imagine it's an unneeded complication to the workload at a busy part of the flight?
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ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

I know... I know...

But still, it is really not necessary to land on "piano keys" (i.e. the very beginning of the runway)...


Leo "Apollo11"

It's also not necessary to stand in the undershoot. Whether or not it's necessary for a pilot to land on the piano keys is totally irrelevant to the matter IMO. The piano keys are part of the runway and therefore the pilot is totally within his/her rights to touch down there. Let's put it another way, if they were walking around an airport would you let them stand that close to an aircraft starting it's engines?

The bigger issue is people thinking that they can just stand wherever they like, usually with some shouting about paying taxes or similar. They used to do the same at Brize until the RAF coppers got sent to move them on. It's idiocy, I've seen what damage an idling jet engine can do, even a relatively low powered VC-10 engine. Aeroplanes are dangerous, engines especially so.

If they are stupid enough to stand there when a Typhoon is landing then they'll do the same when something big comes in. And in that case someone could/will be seriously hurt. Without reheat a Typhoon produces (iirc) about 34,000 lbs of thrust. A single Tristar engine produces 50,000 lbs or a C-17 engine 40,000 lbs. You've seen the video of what the Typhoon did, so imagine something with almost 10 times as much power.

Look for videos of Princess Juliana airport on Sint Maarten. Because that is where the situation will finish up, and then someone gets blown across the road and breaks limbs or gets killed. Or worse, causes enough of a distraction that it causes a crash.

It all comes under the umbrella of Flight Safety. Perhaps I have a different perspective to most people having been so involved with aircraft, no doubt Steve will have an aircrew type perspective on it as well. But for now at least... Rant over.

I concur and totally agree. Makes you wish there was a way to "flush the potty" , like in old aircraft. [:D]
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In lighter news, the people at Josh's nursery have noticed that he is very interested (obsessed?) with cars. He was reading (looking at the pictures in) a book about racing cars when I picked him up. He was in the midst of telling everyone that one was a Ford racing car and the one on the next page was a Citroen rally car [:D]

He also got cross when another little lad was looking at one of the BBMF Chipmunks as it toddled around the skies. He was telling me to stop the other lad looking at it because it was his Daddy's aeroplane and the other lad was not allowed to look at it or touch it. [:D]
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@ USS Mike:

One for you from a pranked Fox News affiliate in San Francisco regarding the identity of the Asiana pilots. [:D]

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I'm not an expert on the civvie world, but you cans ee some sort of structure just inside the door. Toilets tend to be placed in the middle of the cabin or right at the rear. So I'd say this was some sort of galley fire.


I'm not sure of the repair difficulties, to work with composites and do repairs in the RAF requires a special qualification and authorisation. I do know that most composites (and carbon fibre especially, which the 787 uses) is nasty stuff when it burns.

News this morning is that the fire started when the aircraft was on the ground and empthy.

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Sounds about right...[:)]

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Suppose I should say 'Good morning' THREAD dudes.
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