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Turn 108

Overall
A surprising (good one even) turn. A few attacks from Sean, and no deep drive to force me to retake empty land. If this keeps up, things are looking up I suppose [;)]. Doubt they will though.
11 USSR attacks resulted in 7 helds and 4 retreats, while our 5 attacks gave 1 held and 4 retreats. I still have my railroad repair guys alive, and they repair any partisan damage to my rails the same turn, so falling back should not be too big an issue either.

Losses
USSR : 58.000 troops, 704 guns, 71 AFVs, 554 AC.
Axis : 38.000 troops, 351 guns, 54 AFVs, 104 AC.
Hmm, I am not too happy, nor too displeased with the kill ratio the LW achieves. Would have liked to see ti somewhat higher though.

Partisans
13 appear, only the one hiding in the Pripjet remain for now.

Shortest distance from the front to Berlin
79 hexes.

German Pools
Manpower : 144.104
Vehicles : 220.557
Armaments : 470.436
Hiwi : 6

Let us take a closer look at some pool numbers...
Guess I will have to shoot Speer soon.
1.
Rifle Sqd - 0
Motorized Rifle Sqd - 0
Submachine Gun Sqd - 228
Security Sqd - 719

2.
28mm AT guns - 228
75mm AT guns - 0
88mm AT guns - 0

3.
20mm AA guns - 175
88mm AA guns - 0

4.
PzIVh - 8
Panther - 0
Tiger - 171
StuG IIIg - 768
StuH42 - 189

Driving me mad?! Nooooo.




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[quote]ORIGINAL: terje439

Turn 108

Overall
A surprising (good one even) turn. A few attacks from Sean, and no deep drive to force me to retake empty land. If this keeps up, things are looking up I suppose [;)]. Doubt they will though.
11 USSR attacks resulted in 7 helds and 4 retreats, while our 5 attacks gave 1 held and 4 retreats. I still have my railroad repair guys alive, and they repair any partisan damage to my rails the same turn, so falling back should not be too big an issue either.

Losses
USSR : 58.000 troops, 704 guns, 71 AFVs, 554 AC.
Axis : 38.000 troops, 351 guns, 54 AFVs, 104 AC.
Hmm, I am not too happy, nor too displeased with the kill ratio the LW achieves. Would have liked to see ti somewhat higher though.

Partisans
13 appear, only the one hiding in the Pripjet remain for now.

Shortest distance from the front to Berlin
79 hexes.

German Pools
Manpower : 144.104
Vehicles : 220.557
Armaments : 470.436
Hiwi : 6

Let us take a closer look at some pool numbers...
Guess I will have to shoot Speer soon.
1.
Rifle Sqd - 0
Motorized Rifle Sqd - 0
Submachine Gun Sqd - 228
Security Sqd - 719

2.
28mm AT guns - 228
75mm AT guns - 0
88mm AT guns - 0

3.
20mm AA guns - 175
88mm AA guns - 0

4.
PzIVh - 8
Panther - 0
Tiger - 171
StuG IIIg - 768
StuH42 - 189

Driving me mad?! Nooooo.




The stug issue is still broken and will probably never get fixed before wite 2. SG squads is also very important as they are far more powerfull then they should be.

108 to 79 ( - 29) is not a bad ratio at this time adding in 4 full mud seasons, plus your OOB looks good so far. If you can stay above 3.5 million come Jan 44 and have a positive turn to hex ratio you have a good chance at a draw.

Plane ratio is ok if that's bombers and recon, plus fighters. Fighters only should be closer to 10-1



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Turn 109

Overall
Some good and some bad news this turn. The good news is that Sean is now attacking the Fins. They do nothing, and are no threat in any way since LG was never taken, but if he wants to lose troops attacking them, that is fine with me. The bad news is that for some reason Erich von Manstein travelled some 10 hexes to the front and got himself killed... Apart from that, a quiet turn. 20 USSR attacks gave 10 helds, 1 scouted and 9 retreats, but once more in areas where our forts are already gone. Our 6 attacks gave 1 held, 4 retreats and 1 rout. The rout was 2 Cavalry Corps and 1 Tank Corps. That has got to hurt his vehicle pool some I hope.

Losses
USSR : 67.000 troops, 825 guns, 198 AFVs, 737 AC.
Axis : 43.000 troops, 602 guns, 75 AFVs, 88 AC.
This is how I like to see the LW perform!

Partisans
All 9 are delt with.

Number of finished forts this turn
11.

German Pools
Manpower : 132.162
Vehicles : 225.407
Armaments : 465.931
Hiwi : 5




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Turn 110

Overall
Ok, Finland will fall, there is no doubt. However this will not really free up that many USSR units, and it costs time, so it is a trade I am willing to take. The USSR once more attacks our line, but as usual they are only successful in those locations where our forces are not entrenched. In fact, on the fronline, the USSR lose hexes this turn, especially in the Crimea area. And USSR OOB is constant, and Sean has admitted a lack of points, so it does not seem any more units are being produced atm.
Anyway, 30 USSR attack resulted in 19 helds, 1 scouted and 10 retreats, or a 33% success rate. Our 3 attacks gave 3 retreats this turn.

Losses
USSR : 70.000 troops, 833 guns, 271 AFVs, 576 AC.
Axis : 43.000 troops, 589 guns, 60 AFVs, 97 AC.
At the same time, Germany alone received 46.000 troops as reinforcements this turn!

Partisans
We manage to eliminate all 13.

German Pools
Manpower : 122.675
Vehicles : 231.161
Armaments : 465.685
Hiwi : 1




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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63

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amazing that he is wasting 300.000 men in the north instead of wearing down your german troops with this 10 corps. but like napoleon said "if you see a enemy makeing a mistake do not interrupt him".:)

you are doing well terje and after all that beating you get a german defensive expert for sure. you have a intact army and room to give up. this time berlin will be save propably.:)
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amazing that he is wasting 300.000 men in the north instead of wearing down your german troops with this 10 corps. but like napoleon said "if you see a enemy makeing a mistake do not interrupt him".:)

you are doing well terje and after all that beating you get a german defensive expert for sure. you have a intact army and room to give up. this time berlin will be save propably.:)

Thank you.
To Sean's defence though, this is his first game ever to go into -43, so he is in unfamiliar waters. And then ofc, I am playing now for the draw, and besides it would be impolite of me to tell him what to do [;)].

Actually, I am thrilled that he sent those corps formation to Finland, as if he had sent them to Crimea I would HAVE to fall back to the new line immediately. And that line is not yet completed.

That being said, his -41 and -42 were really good, as was his use of reserve activation.


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Turn 111

Overall
9 more forts completed this turn, at this pace I will have a secondary and tertiary line in place rather soon. As to Finland, I guess I have to read up on the rules on her surrender. Is it when one of her hexes flip, or when she loses a city? She is doomed, but the longer I can keep her in, the longer Sean will keep his forces there.
Not much happening really, the USSR keep forcing those of my divisions not in forts to retreat (the same divisions over and over), and keeps banging his head against those divisions still entrenched without making any headway. Those divisions that are forced to retreat over and over have been given a reduced TOE percentage, and as the front shortens, they will be merged, so apart from losing some morale (which they rebuild by counterattacking and winning), I see no problem with this. Sean also keeps sending some fast units through two gaps in my line to flip some hexes. Fine, let him use his forces to do so, as I recover those hexes the next turn again, and there are no crucial rails that are being destroyed.
18 helds and 7 retreats amount to a total of 25 USSR attacks this turn. We only did 7, and scored 1 held and 6 retreats. Not too happy about the held, but guess I will have to take it...

Losses
USSR : ??.000 troops, ??? guns, ??? AFVs, ??? AC.
Axis : ??.000 troops, ??? guns, ?? AFVs, ?? AC.
Fubar once more.

Partisans
10 appear, none remain. I use cavalry units mainly to hunt them down now that the Italians are gone.

German Pools
Manpower : 113.050 (-9.500)
Vehicles : 236.707 (+5.500)
Armaments : 474.044 (+8.500)
Hiwi : 17




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Turn 112

Overall
So, the Italians surrendered...Not gonna change anything now is it [:)]
Not the best of turn as too many of our attacks failed, and the USSR has upped the pressure out of Crimea.
12 USSR attacks gave 8 helds and 4 retreats (2 in the Crimea-area), while our 13 attacks gave a result of 5 helds and 8 retreats. Not good enough!

Losses
USSR : 74.000 troops, 998 guns, 172 AFVs, 565 AC.
Axis : 42.000 troops, 599 guns, 75 AFVs, 89 AC.

Partisans
All 9 are taken care of.

German Pools
Manpower : 106.290
Vehicles : 240.389
Armaments : 480.436
Hiwi : 2




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Turn 113 aka Confused

Overall
Finland surrendered, yet my reports show no combat up there...?????....Oh well, knew it was a matter of time, but had hoped for a few more turn...
Anyway, this was not a good turn. We are very near a breaking point now, and my panzers are in desperate need of some rest as well. Mud cannot come soon enough at this time. 29 USSR attacks resulted in 15 helds, 12 retreats, 1 rout (PzDiv) and 1 shatter (Ru. Inf.). Our 17 counterattacks gave a poor result with 7 helds, 9 retreats and 1 rout. the helds would probably not have taken place if the panzers were a little more rested I suppose...

Losses
USSR : 78.000 troops, 1.062 guns, 484 AFVs, 616 AC.
Axis : 55.000 troops, 814 guns, 112 AFVs, 81 AC.

Partisans
All 10 are taken care of.

German Pools
Manpower : 95.124
Vehicles : 254.141
Armaments : 468.326
Hiwi : 1
Although my MP is dropping, we still have "reserves" in terms of airbases, forts and FBDs that can be disbanded.




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Turn 114

Overall
Aha, found out why Finland flipped. I tend to work on a rather zoomed out view when moving lots of troops. From that angle I missed a tiny dot-city inside Finland but right on the border. Silly Fins, that city was doomed from the start!
Anyway. this time Sean decided to try to bag some of my stacks. Both in the northern part of AGC and in the AGCr (Crimea :P) he trapped one stack. AGC I merely managed to reopen the pocket, but in AGCr we turned the table on him (see below). The fact that we are still a long way from mud is not to my liking, but I want to hold the current line for as long as possible. But if I hold it too long, that will spell disaster. Right now it is determined on a turn to turn basis. In AGC, some of my more worn down units will be swapped with the units that have been digging forts in the rear, as these are now well rested. AGCr however is a considerable issue, and one I cannot really eliminate, I just hope to be able to contain it for now.
Lots of action this turn in other words. 36 USSR attacks resulted in 19 helds, 1 scouted and 16 retretats, compared to out 6 helds, 20 retreats and 1 rout, for a total of 27 attacks.

Losses
USSR : ??.000 troops, ??? guns, ??? AFVs, ??? AC.
Axis : ??.000 troops, ??? guns, ??? AFVs, ??? AC.
Please fix this for Wite 2.0....

Partisans
We take out all 13.

German Pools
Manpower : 83.514
Vehicles : 256.975
Armaments : 451.583
Hiwi : 16



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What have you done to that Infantry division so it has a cv of 18?
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Nm.


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What have you done to that Infantry division so it has a cv of 18?


Two Heavy Tank SUs and a Heavy TD SU if memory serves.


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U mean the unit all to the South along the coast with a fort 3 on it, in the previous posts picture?
If so its the forts. They modify the displayed on map CV.

One of the typical reasons for the difference in pre combat and modified CV.
As u lose forts in combat u lose CV so the modified CV is lower than starting. As i understand it.

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Thought forts only modifies defensive CV? That inf is fully rested, full TOE, good morale and some heavy SUs.


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ORIGINAL: Walloc

U mean the unit all to the South along the coast with a fort 3 on it, in the previous posts picture?
If so its the forts. They modify the displayed on map CV.

One of the typical reasons for the difference in pre combat and modified CV.
As u lose forts in combat u lose CV so the modified CV is lower than starting. As i understand it.

Rasmus


Thought forts only modifies defensive CV? That inf is fully rested, full TOE, good morale and some heavy SUs.


Terje

Ur right Terje. I was thinking in terms of opponents turn. That doesnt count in this case ofc, its ur own turn.
Well now that we are it. Have u guys upgraded to post 1.07.06?
U mention high moral. Have u noticed any thing different with the moral of ur units if u indeed have upgraded. If keeping the moral higher via wins is easier compared to ur previous games?

Some things suggest this isnt only to a russian advantage early on and that the fix has made it a bit more complex.

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Ur right Terje. I was thinking in terms of opponents turn. That doesnt count in this case ofc, its ur own turn.
Well now that we are it. Have u guys upgraded to post 1.07.06?
U mention high moral. Have u noticed any thing different with the moral of ur units if u indeed have upgraded. If keeping the moral higher via wins is easier compared to ur previous games?

Some things suggest this isnt only to a russian advantage early on and that the fix has made it a bit more complex.

Kind regards,

Rasmus

Using 1.07.08
I've never really had a lot of issues with Axis morale earlier on tbh, what is a given is that the morale "fix" is a severe problem for the Axis in -41. The USSR can get too many strong units in some vital places.
What I seem to experience a lot more with this patch is failed Axis generals' rolls...


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Turn 115 aka Oh Crap

Overall
The dam has bursted. In the LG area, the troops attacking the Fins wrecked my line, and in the northern part of AGC we have a small disaster taking place (see below). I must now fall back in some areas. As of now, I am back to deeply worried.
48 USSR attacks this turn for a result of 17 helds, 1 scouted, 28 retreats and 2 routs. Our 19 attacks gave 2 helds, 14 retreats and 3 routs. And we saved (atleast for this turn) four divisions that had been surrounded by the USSR. Two more divisions had to be abandoned...
The next few turns might indeed be vital...

Losses
USSR : ??.000 troops, ??? guns, ??? AFVs, ??? AC.
Axis : ??.000 troops, ??? guns, ??? AFVs, ??? AC.
*sigh*

Partisans
We take out all 10.

German Pools
Manpower : 69.697
Vehicles : 261.270
Armaments : 422.620
Hiwi : 239
The amount of Hiwis are from disbanding two fortified zones in the LG area, as we now have proper divisions there instead.





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Using 1.07.08
I've never really had a lot of issues with Axis morale earlier on tbh, what is a given is that the morale "fix" is a severe problem for the Axis in -41. The USSR can get too many strong units in some vital places.
What I seem to experience a lot more with this patch is failed Axis generals' rolls...


Terje

Yes we agree on the 41 issue but looking at ur battle recaps u seem over all o win more than u lose. Ofc most win in ur turns but the rate is his do seem to give u a fair number of helds. Question basicly is do you see a difference in moral that can possibly be attribuated to wins/loss giving higher moral increases tahn previous.

U migth have been checking the commander report and seen, ok that alot of 90 moral ID divs here in 43, before they might only have been 70-75 moral. As noted earlier ur sporting 18 inf div. I'd say u had to look far and between to see a 18 CV inf divs in any of ur previous AARs as well as in others come 43. U say its good moral and SUs and that is it possibly the reason, but is it only some of it? if the "new normal is getting inf divs via the win/loss records higher moral. That has an importance too that is seperate of the 41 issue. hench my asking if u seen higher moral now than previous tho it might not have been a problem before it doesnt mean it cant have gotten better.

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The Tiger SUs will have a cv of 3 each, the panzerjäger probably 2. So the division itself is probably 10, maybe 12.
On a different note, why aren't you using your Tigers more? As you have an entire division of them on the pool, they should participate more in attacks. I don't see Sean bracking that fort.
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ORIGINAL: terje439
Using 1.07.08
I've never really had a lot of issues with Axis morale earlier on tbh, what is a given is that the morale "fix" is a severe problem for the Axis in -41. The USSR can get too many strong units in some vital places.
What I seem to experience a lot more with this patch is failed Axis generals' rolls...


Terje

Yes we agree on the 41 issue but looking at ur battle recaps u seem over all o win more than u lose. Ofc most win in ur turns but the rate is his do seem to give u a fair number of helds. Question basicly is do you see a difference in moral that can possibly be attribuated to wins/loss giving higher moral increases tahn previous.

U migth have been checking the commander report and seen, ok that alot of 90 moral ID divs here in 43, before they might only have been 70-75 moral. As noted earlier ur sporting 18 inf div. I'd say u had to look far and between to see a 18 CV inf divs in any of ur previous AARs as well as in others come 43. U say its good moral and SUs and that is it possibly the reason, but is it only some of it? if the "new normal is getting inf divs via the win/loss records higher moral. That has an importance too that is seperate of the 41 issue. hench my asking if u seen higher moral now than previous tho it might not have been a problem before it doesnt mean it cant have gotten better.

Kind regards,

Rasmus

*edited* seems I was wrong. My units keep their morale reasonable well, if it is better than before I do not know.



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