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Originally posted by Hades Holy Crap!!! How do you guys find time to play between calulating PEN vaules and throwing insults???? Its a GAME its allowed to have a few errors.
Here Ill donate my 0.02 cents to Gavris so he can buy a real arty piece and a real tank and plunk away at it, maybe be satified with the HE PEN results.
Perhaps because the holy crusade types that find a thing they call truth and want all to conform to it make me see red.
You are right otherwise, and as this topic isn't going to change anything I'll indeed go and play some good scenarios.
Voriax
Oh God give Me strength to accept those things I cannot change with a firearm!
It is really refreshing to see that some people are either so thickheaded or so patriotic that they won't change their opinion when evidence to the contrary is given to them. I leave it up to other readers to decide which is the case in here. Just compare the Romanian river boats to the Soviet or Chinese river fleets during WW2 and form your opinion.
><Maybe you are so stubborn to believe that such a (relative) small and unknown country has the most powerfull river flotilla in ww2 ? I speak about 1939 (mean the year of starting war) and mid 41, until the construction of Amur flotilla. Yes, it is possible such ''realizations'' of such country in some circumstances....like Marasesti/Marasti/Oituz (ww1) when romanian patriotic (really now) army inferior in equipment/organization/experience/etc/etc
beatean the strong german army with huge casualties for both with only the patriotism. That's to be feared by all mondial imperialist powers.......
Why I should care about your writings? That's why I requested the source. And I might quote from it:
><You quote only what you want..missing the principles.
up to 20% thicker the plate will be dented & cracked. Even though you claimed otherwise in your previous post.
Yes, that's to be simulated in the game ! What it is wrong ? To wish a better routine/game ?
The definition of "penetration" is not sharp in this case, since a hole is blown through the plate and the size of the hole varies from merely a crack at the bottom of a dent in heavier plates--which has obviously minimal effect--to a large hole of caliber diameter or greater in thinner plates--which obviously can have major effects in the space behind the plate.
><What I'm saying ? You quote what you want .....missing the context.
And if you are so worried about how a non-supported game will carry on to future years go ahead and *write* a program that calculates and represents HE ammo effects correctly. You don't need SPWaW code for that. *IF* your code works *AND* it uses only those parameters already in the game, then offer your code to Matrix Games and ask if they can import that part into the main SPWaW code. Which is probably the easiest part.
>< Excellent nonaplicable idea. Because everybody tell that Matrix will do not make this....Yes, I'm already to do this especially that's not such a big deal at all. But I have to know all the variables and notation of internal game code, to be easy for Matrix to introduce them. Or you have inferiority complex about other third country type software capacity. Well, just look to bulgarian/romanian/russian programm(crack/hack)ers......Huf !
If you put combat logging on you'll see many, if not all parameters the game uses in determining penetration.
>< Ii is imperious necessarily to know all, not some of them. It is why I insist to have an open source.
Er, so... what's the problem with having multiple RL results (eg, turning the insides to jelly OR blowing a hole through the turret) be represented by the same program message (eg, turret armour "penetrated," tank disabled)? Pen is just a measure of how effective the shell is against that thicknes of armour. Yeah, sure, technically it's how much it can penetrate, but the reality of the situation is that if you just open your mind a tiny bit, you can see that "Penetration" handles more than just blowing holes--it also handles general effectiveness.
Would it be NICE to see "Tank Commander shorn off at the waist whilst unbuttoned due to nearby 150mm explosion," hell yeah! That would rock. But if you use this nice God-given thing called your imagination, then you can see that the 150mm shell "Penetrating" the turret could actually mean this. And since the only "upgrades" you'll be getting are Combat Leader and Matrix frankly has no reason to listen to some ranting and raving fan "demanding" that their hard work become open-source (which would lead to about six billion different versions of SPWAW cropping up, all but 10 of them being completely sucky, and Matrix getting complaints from the dumb gamers who play all of them and can't read the README's)...
By Olga of course, Jess please show all who don't know Olga what they are missing