Bring me the head of Diego Garcia...and the Mayor of Addu Atoll too!

[Cap Mandrake]

ORIGINAL: sprior

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


Reminds me a lot of boot camp too. Except we didn't have a chambermaid to look after our bunks like the RMs do!

I dare you to say that to his face!

Yeah, I'd like to see that myself. [:)]

Heavily armoured cranium, 8% Neanderthal genome neck, sloping trapezius, Popeye arms.


Hell, you could charge admission.

[poodlebrain]

The reduction in the house advantage is pretty sensitive to the maximum odds. On a $5 pass line bet backed with a maximum odds bet on a come out roll of 6, the house advantage goes from 5.5556% with 2x odds to 1.5152% with 10x odds and 0.1650% with 100x odds.

What does this really mean? If you play long enough the house advantage will eventually result in the player going broke. It should just take longer for the player to do so at a higher odds table. Jack Binion used to preach giving the players the best odds possible to prolong their entertainment. He knew he would eventually get all of their money, but they would come back because they got more entertainment than they would get at competing casinos with lower odds.

[Cap Mandrake]

ORIGINAL: poodlebrain

The reduction in the house advantage is pretty sensitive to the maximum odds. On a $5 pass line bet backed with a maximum odds bet on a come out roll of 6, the house advantage goes from 5.5556% with 2x odds to 1.5152% with 10x odds and 0.1650% with 100x odds.

What does this really mean? If you play long enough the house advantage will eventually result in the player going broke. It should just take longer for the player to do so at a higher odds table. Jack Binion used to preach giving the players the best odds possible to prolong their entertainment. He knew he would eventually get all of their money, but they would come back because they got more entertainment than they would get at competing casinos with lower odds.

Sure, as a percentage of the total wagered (including the odds) that analysis is correct but the house NEVER makes money on the odds in the long run as they are mathematically true. In a sense, the odds are a bait which jumps onto the house's hook and for which they pay nothing.

My point is that going from 2x Odds to 10x Odds only hurts the house's expected take if it causes the players to make a smaller volume of Pass Line and Come bets (it usually does the opposite) or slows the game turnover down (it doesnt really). The house avoids this by adjusting the minimum bet to how busy the casino is.

You could say that 10x allows the players to wager more with lower losses and it would usually be true but only if they do not increase their pass line betting or get swept up in the excitment and start making proposition bets.

[Itdepends]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
Heavily armoured cranium, 8% Neanderthal genome neck, sloping trapezius, Popeye arms.
Hell, you could charge admission.

I'm obviously playing World of Tanks too much between slow turns. I know what you wrote but what my brain translated was
Heavily armoured turret, sloping front glacis, big guns

[Crackaces]

Not making undisciplined propostion or place bets does indeed reduce the house advantage but short of actual theft or the casino serving up $2000 a bottle cognac, they STILL make money on the scenario you [describe] (because of the "bar" numbers on the dark side bets..they collect the Come line bets on 2 or 12 without paying the Don't Come bettors). Essentialy you are describing a "zero-risk" table for the house.

Actually the Dark Siders get their bet back for "boxcars" on a Come out roll and not get paid 1-1, [Don't] Come out rolls of 2 & 3 are still paid .. With Odds Over time you are quite right that the house has a 1% - 2% advantage that comes from the Dark Side in our craps tours ... but do not tell the darksiders ..

Of course, they would rather everyone get drunk and and start betting like...well...drunks.

The object of the "the Official ADB Darkside Craps Crawl" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BARGE)
is to be the last person standing. Win at least a dollar, drink at least one drink, and move to the next casino downtown along Fremont Street. Early Players drop out due to getting so far behind they cannot win enough to get back positive, and later in the tour the ETOH takes its toll .. with a 1% house edge and most players risking about 1K given the house edge it equates to about $10 of risk per player for the group some do much better many do much worse due to variation [see below] However,....given bar rates for drinks . I would most certainly propose that much more than $10 per player on average is consumed ...we are not talking about $4K cognac but house well drinks ... [8D]

However, winners have been obligated to share $4,000 cognac with the group ... [:D]

The reduction in the house advantage is pretty sensitive to the maximum odds. On a $5 pass line bet backed with a maximum odds bet on a come out roll of 6, the house advantage goes from 5.5556% with 2x odds to 1.5152% with 10x odds and 0.1650% with 100x odds.

What does this really mean? If you play long enough the house advantage will eventually result in the player going broke. It should just take longer for the player to do so at a higher odds table. Jack Binion used to preach giving the players the best odds possible to prolong their entertainment. He knew he would eventually get all of their money, but they would come back because they got more entertainment than they would get at competing casinos with lower odds.

I might suggest that what this really means is a lot of variation to regress to the mean. To achieve 100X odds on a $5 bet means risking $500 on one come out roll/point or "7-out" to at most win 2-1 and at least 6-5 true odds. The average vacationer does not want to risk the wide variation it takes to eventually regress toward the mean of 0.1650% ... Thus the average Joe hits it big and then loses it thinking they are on roll.. or loses it .. this particular gimmick only works for the player if one is playing way under ones bankroll ..and for example 100x odds was not available for $0.25 craps ..

[sprior]

I went to the supermarket to buy some wine and all I got was the clap

[zuluhour]

appears to be a new strain of French clap. One may want to rinse with....

[Cap Mandrake]

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

Actually the Dark Siders get their bet back for "boxcars" on a Come out roll and not get paid 1-1, [Don't] Come out rolls of 2 & 3 are still paid .. With Odds Over time you are quite right that the house has a 1% - 2% advantage that comes from the Dark Side in our craps tours ... but do not tell the darksiders ..

Some houses "bar" two numbers, maybe 2 and 3? I am sure you are right about the 12. I never play it. It's the "push" when you should be winning that is the house advantage for the "dark side" bettors. You are two kind with the term "dark side" I despise those little, sweaty, 120lb bastards who walk up to a table full of noisy and happy guys and gals with thousands of dollars on the numbers and put down a red chip on Don't Come. Doing it as a group to have fun is different.

Good point about the "element of ruin" discussion on 100x odds too. At $500 a bet you have a bad run and you are down $5000 and then the $3.99 "steak" and eggs deal at 3 AM doesn't seem like such a good deal anymore.

[Cap Mandrake]

ORIGINAL: sprior

I went to the supermarket to buy some wine and all I got was the clap

It's in Frengrish. Don't buy it. You will be obliged to go see the Scab Lifters and suffer that horrible sounding treatment mentioned in the 4th Rotor.

[Cap Mandrake]

ORIGINAL: Itdepends

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
Heavily armoured cranium, 8% Neanderthal genome neck, sloping trapezius, Popeye arms.
Hell, you could charge admission.

I'm obviously playing World of Tanks too much between slow turns. I know what you wrote but what my brain translated was
Heavily armoured turret, sloping front glacis, big guns

I'm sure you have. [:)]

Addressing that guy in the picture as "young lady" or "miss" would certainly be like taking on a Pershing with a Type II Super Ronson with a leaky fuel line.

[Cap Mandrake]

What were we talking about? Oh yeah, the war.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
$3.99 "steak" and eggs

It's perfectly reasonable to refer to this as steak. Which species the cut is taken from is an unnecessary fine print distraction at 3am.

[sprior]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

What were we talking about? Oh yeah, the war.

Listen, don't mention the war! I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it all right.

[Cap Mandrake]

Prane rosses. Most of them WJD variety, but they did manage to sink Prince William and an AVP, the baaahstards. Nasau is at %45 flotation damage pierside at Butuan. She should be OK if we put some fighters there. Of course, that means they will attack somewhere else. We lost some Beauforts, some TBF's that went down with Prince William and some B-25's. Fighter losses were wildly in our favor.

Some staff flunkie retard screwed up the prep destinations for the troops landing at Aparri. [:-]

[BBfanboy]

You were using P-40Bs? Man, that is really scraping the bottom of the pool!

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

You were using P-40Bs? Man, that is really scraping the bottom of the pool!

You think the Arries are scraping the bottom of the barrel? Well you're right...but still...look at the airframes JJ is using.

Ki-48IIa's in quantity in mid-1943? A6M2 as frontline fighter in mid-1943? I'm pleased to see some A6M3a's in the mix now (at least 6 months late, but hey-better late than never), but I think (and have for some time) that there was some major issue with the Japanese R&D and mid-war plane development / deployment.

[Cap Mandrake]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

You were using P-40Bs? Man, that is really scraping the bottom of the pool!

I resent that remark! We are definitely NOT "scraping the bottom of the barrel" as you say. We did that already, several months ago as a matter of fact. We have now disassembled the barrel to see if we find a P-39 or two in between the staves.

The P-40B is an F-16 compared to the stuff we have in the South Pacific. [:)] Even Pearl has only one squadron of P-40E's and some F4F's.

[sprior]

Don't mention the Boomerangs on Batan Island.

[Cap Mandrake]

It would appear that WJD LBA (incruding Idas) from all the bases we bypassed in Mindanao, Leyte and Luzon and the threat of the Mongol Horde at Lingayen will slow us down for a bit.

[Cap Mandrake]

ORIGINAL: sprior

Don't mention the Boomerangs on Batan Island.

I won't say anything if you don't. It might "come back" to haunt us.