Laugh n a 1/2 - Manstein63 now allowed

[loki100]

guess this is what you've been fearing for a while.

You should be 2, maybe 3, turns from Mud so that will give you some respite, and it will take a little while for the Red Army to digest its prey ...

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: SigUp

Ouch, that looks like game, set and match. But keep it on, no surrender. [;)]

My friends mother has not sung yet [:D]
clicky


Terje

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: loki100

guess this is what you've been fearing for a while.

You should be 2, maybe 3, turns from Mud so that will give you some respite, and it will take a little while for the Red Army to digest its prey ...

Yeah, was not quite strong enough to prevent it, but hoped to keep an open path until mud... Oh well.
Nope it did not [:D]

Terje

[terje439]

Turn 145

Overall
....
39 USSR attacks for a result of 17 helds, 9 retreats, 1 rout and 12 surrenders. We did one attack and scored a retreats. In the south we pulled back some more.

Losses
USSR : 53.000 troops, 430 guns, 243 AFVs, 363 AC.
Axis : 300.000 troops, 3.494 guns, 679 AFVs, 118 AC.

German units destroyed
1st, 13th, 14th, 23rd, 24th and the 27th Panzer Division.
16th, 25th and 15th SS Panzer grenadier Division.
6th, 11th, 23th, 34th, 45th, 82nd, 96th, 102nd, 106th, 110th, 132nd, 137th, 161st, 205th, 256th, 268th, 329th Infantry Division.
28th, 97th Jaeger Division.
2/207th, 213th, 221st, 286th Security Division.
191st, 210th, 239th, 249th, 277th StuG Brigade.
502nd, 503rd Heavy Panzer Battalion.
616th, 667th JagdPanzer Battalion.
282nd Motorized Flak Battalion.
605th SP Light Flak Battalion.
4/31st, 5/46th, 5/55th, 5/59th SP Flak Company.
9th Machinegun Battalion.
203rd, 911th StuG Battalion.
41st, 52nd, 127th, 215th, 221st, 236th, 627th, 632nd, 635th, 672nd, 750th, 754th Pioneer Battalion.
Right, the word battalion has lost all meaning to me after typing out this [:D]

German units disbanded
30 fortified zones.

Partisans
All 10 are killed.

German Pools
Manpower : 18.509
Vehicles : 159.704
Armaments : 25.045
Hiwi : 3.806
That did not do wonders for my pools [:D]

[loki100]

ouch, no its painfully clear the Red Army is a fast eater ...

maybe less 'Army Group Mess' and more AG 'gone missing'?

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: loki100

ouch, no its painfully clear the Red Army is a fast eater ...

maybe less 'Army Group Mess' and more AG 'gone missing'?

Haha yes, but at the same time, that area IS a mess [:D]


Terje

[SigUp]

Losing six Panzer Divisions and three SS Panzergrenadier Divisions, that's a bigger catastrophe than Bagration in Summer 1944. Well, I guess without those mobile reserves the entire Ostheer has to run westwards. [8D]

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: SigUp

Losing six Panzer Divisions and three SS Panzergrenadier Divisions, that's a bigger catastrophe than Bagration in Summer 1944. Well, I guess without those mobile reserves the entire Ostheer has to run westwards. [8D]

Maybe not run, but we are homeward bound for sure [:D]


Terje

[Walloc]

ORIGINAL: SigUp

Losing six Panzer Divisions and three SS Panzergrenadier Divisions, that's a bigger catastrophe than Bagration in Summer 1944. Well, I guess without those mobile reserves the entire Ostheer has to run westwards. [8D]

To lift Terje's spirits. Technicly neither 15th nor 25th SS was PzGrn divisions, but Grenadier divisions aka "normal" infantry formations.

Rasmus

[SigUp]

I think his spirit is good enough for a guy who just lost an entire army group's Panzer Divisions. [:D]

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: Walloc

ORIGINAL: SigUp

Losing six Panzer Divisions and three SS Panzergrenadier Divisions, that's a bigger catastrophe than Bagration in Summer 1944. Well, I guess without those mobile reserves the entire Ostheer has to run westwards. [8D]

To lift Terje's spirits. Technicly neither 15th nor 25th SS was PzGrn divisions, but Grenadier divisions aka "normal" infantry formations.

Rasmus

Hehehehe yeah that made me feel MUCH better [:D]


Terje

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: SigUp

I think his spirit is good enough for a guy who just lost an entire army group's Panzer Divisions. [:D]

Well, atleast virtual Adolf cannot really execute me as he would irl [:D]


Terje

[Walloc]

ORIGINAL: terje439

Hehehehe yeah that made me feel MUCH better [:D]

Terje

I knew it would [;)]

Rasmus

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: Walloc

ORIGINAL: terje439

Hehehehe yeah that made me feel MUCH better [:D]

Terje

I knew it would [;)]

Rasmus

[terje439]

Turn 146 aka do I have some sort of learning disorder?

Overall
There are a few rules of thumb in this game (I've learned in this game, that impassable, does not mean impassable), but I've done a big don't that I know is a big don't. I never learn....(see below)
20 USSR attacks result in 4 helds, 14 retreats and 2 routs. Our 4 attacks resulted in 2 helds and 2 retreats.
Our forces now are oh so weak. I need mud, and I need those rebuilding units activated so they can start digging at the Vistula.

Losses
USSR : 47.000 troops, 433 guns, 207 AFVs, 257 AC.
Axis : 34.000 troops, 588 guns, 111 AFVs, 81 AC.

German units destroyed
1/46th SP Flak Company

German units disbanded
3 fortified zones.

Partisans
We kill 8 out of 10.

German Pools
Manpower : 2.909
Vehicles : 160.775
Armaments : 42.898
Hiwi : 539

[STEF78]

You wrote this message to me 11/2/2012.

As noob GHC Human versus Human, I was asking the forum how to handle with the blizzard...

I follow your advice, it was sound![;)]

ORIGINAL: terje439

ORIGINAL: STEF78

I don't like sacrifying units

Then you will lose even more of them tbh.
If/when a unit gets cut off, you should sacrifice it imo, as trying to stand and extract it is likely to cost more units in the long run. It is imperative to realize when a unit is doomed and not worry about it.
Atleast that is my experience.

[SigUp]

Holy s***! 4 SS Panzer Divisions, 4 regular Panzer Divisions, 3 Panzergrenadier Divisions and Großdeutschland isolated. [X(] Which of those did you lose in the end?

[loki100]

ouch, but then I recognise the temptation to try and rescue lost units and thus escalate the disaster. I lost a game of Russia Under Siege because I wouldn't let a trapped army just meet its fate, threw in scarcely ready stacks to try and redeem the situation etc ... you can guess where it all ended.

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: STEF78

You wrote this message to me 11/2/2012.

As noob GHC Human versus Human, I was asking the forum how to handle with the blizzard...

I follow your advice, it was sound![;)]

ORIGINAL: terje439

ORIGINAL: STEF78

I don't like sacrifying units

Then you will lose even more of them tbh.
If/when a unit gets cut off, you should sacrifice it imo, as trying to stand and extract it is likely to cost more units in the long run. It is imperative to realize when a unit is doomed and not worry about it.
Atleast that is my experience.

Hehe yeah, people should try to do as I say, not as I do [:D]
Nah, I really need to learn to heed my own advice.

Terje

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: SigUp

Holy s***! 4 SS Panzer Divisions, 4 regular Panzer Divisions, 3 Panzergrenadier Divisions and Großdeutschland isolated. [X(] Which of those did you lose in the end?

See below (wrong ones...)


Terje