When?

[CrusssDaddy]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

I do not think a game that is substantively different than CWiF will be completed by the current regime. I think you will certainly, at some point, receive this hobbyist project called MWiF that includes different but not particularly better graphics, a couple extra scenarios and some bugs removed. Oh, and some unit write-ups cut 'n' pasted from Wikipedia. The most endearing feature of the original, the Debug Mode that allows you to create your own scenarios or alter games in mid play, isn't even available on this new version.

warspite1

Hey saddo - Neilster asked - as have others before - why you are still here given all the rubbish you have to say about the project, the fact the game is not for you and you do not intend to buy it when it comes out.

Why not do something productive with your sad existence instead of being a figure of unintended fun on this forum? In short why not get a life?

Alternatively, if you are to stay around, instead of boring us all rigid, why not think of something either funny or interesting to say for once [>:][>:][>:]

You've gone rigid? How many years has it been since last that happened? Was it the two decade-old cheesecake? Sounds like you owe Neilster a beer for "raising your spirits!"

[Neilster]

It is hardly cheesecake and she told me she thinks you "sound creepy" and are "probably really sexually frustrated".

And here she is now. She's an intelligent, lovely and kind lady.

[CrusssDaddy]

When you clench your fist and "talk to your girlfriend" do you draw a mouth in with lipstick, or is your imagination sufficient to carry the ruse?

Keep those pix coming -- it's a new day and Warspite is looking for another thrill!

Okay, let's get back on topic -- just how long does 0.1% take to complete anyway?!?!?

[Neilster]

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

When you clench your fist and "talk to your girlfriend" do you draw a mouth in with lipstick, or is your imagination sufficient to carry the ruse?

Keep those pix coming -- it's a new day and Warspite is looking for another thrill!

Okay, let's get back on topic -- just how long does 0.1% take to complete anyway?!?!?

She's not my girlfriend. She used to be, but as I said, we're still friends. That's why I have this recent photo of her.

How did we get here? Oh that's right...you launched an unprovoked attack on me but that backfired and now even a woman who has never had anything to do with you thinks you're a complete jerk-off. Nice going.

Neilster

[CrusssDaddy]

Does taking about it make you feel better? You're going on a bit, but I'll keep listening. Not for much longer, mind you.

[pochepiller]

For as much as I would like to follow on this ex-girlfriend discussion what I really want to know is WHEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not a big wargamer but I dig every WW2 game and I can't wait to buy this and get destroyed in PBEM, so when? 2014? 2015?

David
Québec
Canada

P.S. I also think that Crussdaddy criticism of the current state of Matrix WiF is valid and should not be this rebuked like this.

Sorry for my bad english.

[Neilster]

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

Does taking about it make you feel better? You're going on a bit, but I'll keep listening. Not for much longer, mind you.

Is that a promise?

Neilster

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: pochepiller

For as much as I would like to follow on this ex-girlfriend discussion what I really want to know is WHEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not a big wargamer but I dig every WW2 game and I can't wait to buy this and get destroyed in PBEM, so when? 2014? 2015?

David
Québec
Canada

P.S. I also think that Crussdaddy criticism of the current state of Matrix WiF is valid and should not be this rebuked like this.

Sorry for my bad english.

warspite1

pochepiller, everyone is entitled to their own opinion - and that includes Crusssdaddy. Matrix make their forums open to people and of course that means good press and not so good press will get aired. That is their choice and fair enough. No one is saying he cannot air his opinion (within the bounds of forum rules and decency).

However I fear you have rather missed the point.

The game is taking a looooong time in development. I am sure that this is a source of frustration for everyone from Steve to Matrix to ADG to the beta testers and to the fans of the game.

However, there are reasons for these delays, they are well known and in the real world, they are what they are e.g. the economics of the market, health, technical resources. They don't make the situation any less frustrating, but they are understandable.

Where you are quite wrong about this childlike, mindless, troll is that he fails to see reality. He started off annoyed at the time being taken (no problem, as said, aren't we all?). But he then moved to conspiracy theories about Matrix actually not wanting the game to come out. He droned on about how there were hundreds of gaming companies who would snap this project up tomorrow, throw unlimited amounts of money at the project, and get the game done yesterday. These companies were being denied purposely by the evil Matrix corporation.

He then moved on to personal attacks, particularly against Steve (a despicable position to take given Steve's serious health issues) and anyone who understood the Matrix position.

He has now upped his game further by, for the first time, launching attacks on people just for the hell of it. As far as I know Neilster has never said anything against this idiot troll before the recent shenanigans.

So before leaping to the defence of this moronic individual, I suggest you read some of his accusations and comments first.

[pochepiller]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

So before leaping to the defence of this moronic individual, I suggest you read some of his accusations and comments first.

Ok I touched a nerve. I wont read all the board history to know how soulless Crussdaddy is and I didn't defend his action in my last post at all. I was refering to his recent critic of the game there:

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

I do not think a game that is substantively different than CWiF will be completed by the current regime. I think you will certainly, at some point, receive this hobbyist project called MWiF that includes different but not particularly better graphics, a couple extra scenarios and some bugs removed. Oh, and some unit write-ups cut 'n' pasted from Wikipedia. The most endearing feature of the original, the Debug Mode that allows you to create your own scenarios or alter games in mid play, isn't even available on this new version.

The game takes a long time and there's reason for it but now the same question is still there: WHEN?
Do anyone can ballpark the date of release, ( the PBEM release, AI will never be good at this kind of game I think).


2014? 2015? 2016?

David
Québec
Canada

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: pochepiller

ORIGINAL: warspite1

So before leaping to the defence of this moronic individual, I suggest you read some of his accusations and comments first.

Ok I touched a nerve. I wont read all the board history to know how soulless Crussdaddy is and I didn't defend his action in my last post at all. I was refering to his recent critic of the game there:

warspite1

Apologies pochepiller if it sounded like I was having a go at you. That was not the intention.

[pochepiller]

I wrote my last post before my fist coffee so maybe I was on the defensive, but my question is still there, do we talk about 1 year or more for the first release?

David

[warspite1]

I'm sure Steve will let you know what he can on that in due course.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: pochepiller

ORIGINAL: warspite1

So before leaping to the defence of this moronic individual, I suggest you read some of his accusations and comments first.

Ok I touched a nerve. I wont read all the board history to know how soulless Crussdaddy is and I didn't defend his action in my last post at all. I was refering to his recent critic of the game there:

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

I do not think a game that is substantively different than CWiF will be completed by the current regime. I think you will certainly, at some point, receive this hobbyist project called MWiF that includes different but not particularly better graphics, a couple extra scenarios and some bugs removed. Oh, and some unit write-ups cut 'n' pasted from Wikipedia. The most endearing feature of the original, the Debug Mode that allows you to create your own scenarios or alter games in mid play, isn't even available on this new version.

The game takes a long time and there's reason for it but now the same question is still there: WHEN?
Do anyone can ballpark the date of release, ( the PBEM release, AI will never be good at this kind of game I think).


2014? 2015? 2016?

David
Québec
Canada

Responding to CxxxDxxx is almost always a worthless expenditure of time and effort. He chooses arguments randomly and hopes that someone responds to what he says. The post by him that you quoted has all those earmarks. In it, each of his statements could be contradicted by hundreds, if not thousands, of previous posts in this forum. My personal posts on MWIF are getting close to 16,000, so you could restrict your search to just my posts and probably come up with hundreds of examples why each of his statements is manifestly wrong. In this example, he is the classic definition of a troll - someone who posts not to accomplish anything good, but just to provoke a response from others so he can gleefully continue to harass them verbally.

Several years ago I swore off giving estimated release dates. In retrospect, that was a very good decision. My monthly status reports provide the best indication of when the game will be released. I post them in two threads: this one, and an identical post in MWIF Monthly Reports. Only I can post to the latter thread, so it doesn't have all the commentary that this one does. Many people prefer to just read my monthly report there, and skip all the other stuff. Your choice.[;)]

[michaelbaldur]

only know one thing.

the game is brilliant. i´m playing this game all day long, everyday.

so it is worth the wait

[CrusssDaddy]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: pochepiller

For as much as I would like to follow on this ex-girlfriend discussion what I really want to know is WHEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not a big wargamer but I dig every WW2 game and I can't wait to buy this and get destroyed in PBEM, so when? 2014? 2015?

David
Québec
Canada

P.S. I also think that Crussdaddy criticism of the current state of Matrix WiF is valid and should not be this rebuked like this.

Sorry for my bad english.

warspite1

pochepiller, everyone is entitled to their own opinion - and that includes Crusssdaddy. Matrix make their forums open to people and of course that means good press and not so good press will get aired. That is their choice and fair enough. No one is saying he cannot air his opinion (within the bounds of forum rules and decency).

However I fear you have rather missed the point.

The game is taking a looooong time in development. I am sure that this is a source of frustration for everyone from Steve to Matrix to ADG to the beta testers and to the fans of the game.

However, there are reasons for these delays, they are well known and in the real world, they are what they are e.g. the economics of the market, health, technical resources. They don't make the situation any less frustrating, but they are understandable.

Where you are quite wrong about this childlike, mindless, troll is that he fails to see reality. He started off annoyed at the time being taken (no problem, as said, aren't we all?). But he then moved to conspiracy theories about Matrix actually not wanting the game to come out. He droned on about how there were hundreds of gaming companies who would snap this project up tomorrow, throw unlimited amounts of money at the project, and get the game done yesterday. These companies were being denied purposely by the evil Matrix corporation.

He then moved on to personal attacks, particularly against Steve (a despicable position to take given Steve's serious health issues) and anyone who understood the Matrix position.

He has now upped his game further by, for the first time, launching attacks on people just for the hell of it. As far as I know Neilster has never said anything against this idiot troll before the recent shenanigans.

So before leaping to the defence of this moronic individual, I suggest you read some of his accusations and comments first.

Just FYI I know you're not purposefully trying to hurt my feelings, but this came off as very slightly disrespectful and I'm a little bummed out

[CrusssDaddy]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

ORIGINAL: pochepiller

ORIGINAL: warspite1

So before leaping to the defence of this moronic individual, I suggest you read some of his accusations and comments first.

Ok I touched a nerve. I wont read all the board history to know how soulless Crussdaddy is and I didn't defend his action in my last post at all. I was refering to his recent critic of the game there:

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

I do not think a game that is substantively different than CWiF will be completed by the current regime. I think you will certainly, at some point, receive this hobbyist project called MWiF that includes different but not particularly better graphics, a couple extra scenarios and some bugs removed. Oh, and some unit write-ups cut 'n' pasted from Wikipedia. The most endearing feature of the original, the Debug Mode that allows you to create your own scenarios or alter games in mid play, isn't even available on this new version.

The game takes a long time and there's reason for it but now the same question is still there: WHEN?
Do anyone can ballpark the date of release, ( the PBEM release, AI will never be good at this kind of game I think).


2014? 2015? 2016?

David
Québec
Canada

Responding to CxxxDxxx is almost always a worthless expenditure of time and effort. He chooses arguments randomly and hopes that someone responds to what he says. The post by him that you quoted has all those earmarks. In it, each of his statements could be contradicted by hundreds, if not thousands, of previous posts in this forum. My personal posts on MWIF are getting close to 16,000, so you could restrict your search to just my posts and probably come up with hundreds of examples why each of his statements is manifestly wrong. In this example, he is the classic definition of a troll - someone who posts not to accomplish anything good, but just to provoke a response from others so he can gleefully continue to harass them verbally.

Several years ago I swore off giving estimated release dates. In retrospect, that was a very good decision. My monthly status reports provide the best indication of when the game will be released. I post them in two threads: this one, and an identical post in MWIF Monthly Reports. Only I can post to the latter thread, so it doesn't have all the commentary that this one does. Many people prefer to just read my monthly report there, and skip all the other stuff. Your choice.[;)]

Refute away, please! Let's start with this: will the game include a Debug Mode that functions identically or at least similarly to the one in CWiF? Last time I asked (1 year ago? 2?), Debug Mode had been removed. Has this changed?

[Shannon V. OKeets]

Against my better judgment, I'll answer this.

Debug is a great feature if you want to crash the program. It allows you to place Brazilian units next to Berlin even if Brazil is not in the war! You can change the weather before your opponent attacks so all his units are out of supply and he can't make any attacks! Did you just lose your best armor unit? No problem! Just put him back on the map where ever you like. Is your opponent defending his convoys too well? Then just remove all his surface ships in the area to the scrap pool - problem solved.

The debug feature is for debugging the game's software. It is not for playing the game according to the rules. But you already knew that, so my post here is just another tidbit for the troll. As for apologies for being disrespectful, you are well over 100 apologies behind.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: pochepiller

For as much as I would like to follow on this ex-girlfriend discussion what I really want to know is WHEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not a big wargamer but I dig every WW2 game and I can't wait to buy this and get destroyed in PBEM, so when? 2014? 2015?

David
Québec
Canada

P.S. I also think that Crussdaddy criticism of the current state of Matrix WiF is valid and should not be this rebuked like this.

Sorry for my bad english.

warspite1

pochepiller, everyone is entitled to their own opinion - and that includes Crusssdaddy. Matrix make their forums open to people and of course that means good press and not so good press will get aired. That is their choice and fair enough. No one is saying he cannot air his opinion (within the bounds of forum rules and decency).

However I fear you have rather missed the point.

The game is taking a looooong time in development. I am sure that this is a source of frustration for everyone from Steve to Matrix to ADG to the beta testers and to the fans of the game.

However, there are reasons for these delays, they are well known and in the real world, they are what they are e.g. the economics of the market, health, technical resources. They don't make the situation any less frustrating, but they are understandable.

Where you are quite wrong about this childlike, mindless, troll is that he fails to see reality. He started off annoyed at the time being taken (no problem, as said, aren't we all?). But he then moved to conspiracy theories about Matrix actually not wanting the game to come out. He droned on about how there were hundreds of gaming companies who would snap this project up tomorrow, throw unlimited amounts of money at the project, and get the game done yesterday. These companies were being denied purposely by the evil Matrix corporation.

He then moved on to personal attacks, particularly against Steve (a despicable position to take given Steve's serious health issues) and anyone who understood the Matrix position.

He has now upped his game further by, for the first time, launching attacks on people just for the hell of it. As far as I know Neilster has never said anything against this idiot troll before the recent shenanigans.

So before leaping to the defence of this moronic individual, I suggest you read some of his accusations and comments first.

Just FYI I know you're not purposefully trying to hurt my feelings, but this came off as very slightly disrespectful and I'm a little bummed out

warspite1

Correct - I have no wish to hurt anyone's feelings.

However your mindless, childlike behaviour needs to be responded to. I notice you still haven't answered the fundamental question. Namely, why, given this is not a game you will buy, do you continue to come here? Why waste your time? Surely a grown man has better things to do than troll... or maybe not? Maybe trolling is the limit of your goals in life - maybe in so doing you are living your dream. Who knows?

[pochepiller]

I wish to stay on the topic warspite1, which is WHEN! I understand Mr. O'keets points of not making an estimate but it doesnt answer my question at all and yes I read all those recent monthly report. I just think that somewhere you have to say a fix date so you can finish it, because if not you can always find some thing to improve ( Gran Turismo 5 is a exemple of this happening ). So do we talk about 3 months or 18 months?

WHEN!!!!!!

I will buy the game if it comes out and after 3 years of following those thread I'm just not sure if it will come out. I don't have any friend to play table Wif so its an itch I can't scratch.

David
Québec

[Lingering Frey]

ORIGINAL: pochepiller

I wish to stay on the topic warspite1, which is WHEN! I understand Mr. O'keets points of not making an estimate but it doesnt answer my question at all and yes I read all those recent monthly report. I just think that somewhere you have to say a fix date so you can finish it, because if not you can always find some thing to improve ( Gran Turismo 5 is a exemple of this happening ). So do we talk about 3 months or 18 months?

WHEN!!!!!!

I will buy the game if it comes out and after 3 years of following those thread I'm just not sure if it will come out. I don't have any friend to play table Wif so its an itch I can't scratch.

David
Québec

You don't have to worry about feature creep at this point. That will not delay its release. They have chosen to drop features (AI front and center) in order to get it out within the reasonable future.

I don't think Steve wants to make even rough predictions, but you can get a feel from his reports. I'm a political scientist, so I hate making predictions. They are usually wrong. That said, barring a change of health status for Steve or some huge unexpected problem from Netplay, it feels like the game will be available for purchase sometime before Christmas 2014. It could come out next month, it could come out December 24, 2014...we will just have to see.