When?

[Lingering Frey]

Steve,

When the game is available for purchase, will there be a "boxed + digital" version available or only digital?

Thanks

[pochepiller]

Lets bet then, I say ... ... ... April 3rd 2014, with PBEM play, no AI, no major bug with a 69.99 price.

David

[CrusssDaddy]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

Against my better judgment, I'll answer this.

Debug is a great feature if you want to crash the program. It allows you to place Brazilian units next to Berlin even if Brazil is not in the war! You can change the weather before your opponent attacks so all his units are out of supply and he can't make any attacks! Did you just lose your best armor unit? No problem! Just put him back on the map where ever you like. Is your opponent defending his convoys too well? Then just remove all his surface ships in the area to the scrap pool - problem solved.

The debug feature is for debugging the game's software. It is not for playing the game according to the rules. But you already knew that, so my post here is just another tidbit for the troll. As for apologies for being disrespectful, you are well over 100 apologies behind.

I suppose if you use debug like an idiot and "place Brazilian units next to Berlin even if Brazil is not in the war" you could crash the game. Th other examples you cite would appear to be from a 2-player game, where one player uses debug to cheat. This isn't how I use debug and I suspect it's not how anyone else does. I use debug in solo play to extract maximum enjoyment form the game through experimentation and "What If?" exercises.

CWiF is pretty stable for me. The most frequent cause of crash is scrolling over Persia during certain phases, especially scenario set-up; second most frequent cause of crashes is calling Vichy. I've had exceedingly few crashes caused by debug and it is invaluable for enjoyment of the game:

Pick die rolls to launch the game into the trajectory you desire (Free France with max territory/units, aggressive Axis with isolationist US, mild winter GE/USSR battles, etc.)

Create alternate scenarios (ally neutrals as you see fit, create Invasion USA, large-scale Africa campaigns, add a single oil resource to Italy or Japan at set-up, etc.)

Ameliorate the worst shortcomings of the resource transport system (you can fuss with convoys directly or the easier route is to simply add/subtract production points as necessary); this one should be unnecessary if the bugs have been fixed

Removing debug removes 90% of the enjoyment from solo play. Since you don't have an AI, you obviously rank solo play in value beneath other modes; you should simply admit that, rather than spread the falsehood that debug is removed for stability reasons.

[CrusssDaddy]

ORIGINAL: pochepiller

Lets bet then, I say ... ... ... April 3rd 2014, with PBEM play, no AI, no major bug with a 69.99 price.

David

It's painful to go through the old posts but this crew have burned themselves repeatedly with enthusiastic release predictions going back 5 years or more, and the failures to meet these predictions have nothing to do with poor health or any external factors: the failures hinge upon the deficiencies inherent in assigning professional expectations to what is essentially a retiree occupying his golden years with the building of birdhouses. So you're not going to get more predictions from the MWiF insiders, their only lesson learned is to circle the wagons, keeping lips sealed and mouths firmly shut while trying to ignore the Apaches on the horizon.

[bo]

Several years ago I swore off giving estimated release dates.

Uh oh it's Geronimo coming get out the gatling gun Steve.


"Swore off", is that like taking an oath of no more estimated dates Steve [:D]

Good lord when you have to answer crussdaddy, it is like he is winning the war of words here.

I have an answer to all of our problems with crudssdaddy [not real problems] make him a beta tester Steve and really aggravate the hell out of him [:@]

He is getting to you people, shame, shame, shame [:-]

Bo

[pochepiller]

First I don't think CrussDaddy is the beast incarnate, his points are crude but valid. Secondly I think that this game should came out and I will buy it. Thirdly ( can we say that? ) I believe that ballparking the date right now is way more realistic than 4 years ago so why not give it a shot. How long till we see this game? Less than a year or more than a year?

Educated guess from Warspite, Crussdaddy, Neilcaster ex girlfriend, Bo, Geronimo would be great.

My guess is less than one year we can play MwiF and I will get my ass kicked in PBEM.

What is yours guess?

David
Québec
Canada

[michaelbaldur]

less then a year or more then a year ...that is the answer [:D]

but not exactly a year [:D] [:D][:D][:D][:D]

but seriously. I can see the game from the inside, and I have no idea when it is finished.

if the rest of the bugs are easy to fix, soon..

but is they are time consuming, not soon

[Neilster]

My ex-girlfriend was non-committal but says she's keen on a "close the Med and '42 Barbarossa" strategy as the Axis when it's released

Cheers, Neilster

[bo]

Hi pochepiller

Geronimo? I would rather be Custer, oops on second thought, I would rather have been Sitting Bull [;)]

If Steve and Matrix would release me from my NDS signing [:-] I would gladly give you a hint about when the game will be released, but it would only be a hint, my last hint to everyone was that I knew that the Flyers would win the Stanley Cup last year, want me to go on. [:D]

I was thinking about doing an AAR on Guadalcanal which is primarily a naval game. Some time ago Red Prince did a very good AAR on Barbarossa which was a land combat scenario. I never played the board game and I am learning new tactics every day I beta test this game.

Yesterday I had a major naval battle in the Coral Sea involving the Japanese fleet carriers the CV's Kaga, Akagi, Hiryu, Shokaku, and the Zuikaku with a air to sea rating of 25 from 8 air units attacking the US CV's Enterprise the Saratoga and the Yorktown with a combined air to sea attack factors of 9, pretty much sounds like a mismatch, but the suprise points went to the US which can really alter a naval conflict. Even so the battle in losses were pretty even.

The Japanese lost two carriers the Kaga and the Hiryu with air to sea factors of 10. not good. The US lost the Enterprise and the Saratoga with air to sea factors of 8. All in all it looks like a tie but the US is left with only the Yorktown and the Lexington and now they [US] have to avoid naval combat at all costs and use the carriers for invasions and escort duties. Remember the Guadalcanal scenario is only 5 moves [ten months]

In Day of Infamy I attacked Pearl Harbor with 6 fleet carriers using carrier plane rules and bottomed ships, delivered quite a bit of damage to the US Pacific fleet 2 battle wagons destroyed 1 damaged and 2 bottomed at Pearl. I am not sure but I think bottomed ships go into the construction cycle, and I am not sure which cycle the first or second.

Forgive me if some of this sounds misleading as I have never done this before. One thing I have found out is that this game can be played in a solitaire game mode and with the die roll anything can happen. And the best thing about solitaire is that if I start to lose I just turn the stupid computer off [;)].

Bo

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: pochepiller

Educated guess from Warspite, Crussdaddy, Neilcaster ex girlfriend, Bo, Geronimo would be great.

What is yours guess?

David
Québec
Canada

Geronimo

When the Earth is sick, the animals will begin to disappear, when that happens, The Warriors of the Rainbow will come to save them.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: pochepiller

Educated guess from Warspite, Crussdaddy, Neilcaster ex girlfriend, Bo, Geronimo would be great.

What is yours guess?

David
Québec
Canada

warspite1

I'm somewhere between Neilster's ex-girlfriend and Geronimo.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Lingering Frey

Steve,

When the game is available for purchase, will there be a "boxed + digital" version available or only digital?

Thanks

Wrong on both counts.[:)] Only boxed.

[Joseignacio]

The problem is NOT that C.D. worries about the date. And he is right that the game is "late", after (8? 10? years), although no release date was firm.

The problem is that he is disrespectful, makes personal attacks to forum members and to the game developer. For 1/100 of what he has done, I was once banned from PatchDox (aka Paradox) forums. And believe me I had stronger reasons than just a game not coming out.

Other people have said they will not buy the game, they lost interest, or they objected Theme Engine or whatever ideas, methods and programs Steve has. He has answered them , and they have agreed or not, but respectfully.

I myself lost part of my interest, out of emotional self protection against projected dates delusions, but I keep my ways, and I don't blame Steve for trying to serve a game that works, after PatchDox games having had to be patched up to 3 years later. Steve is a fan of the game and he wants it as perfect as it can reasonably be. And his patience with C.D. behaviours is the one of a saint, which I approve and support, for the well of the liberty of opinion, And however, I worry on how much this distracts him from the developing activity (hopefully few -by now) and how much this affects him personally, especially considering his health issues.

[wfzimmerman]

I founs the recent volley of personal insults quite offputting. I don't want to come to a Matrix Games forum and come across that stuff. I have managed many forums and mailing lists over the years and I would have no hesitation in banning the individual(s) responsible for the recent thread.

[bo]

ORIGINAL: wfzimmerman

I founs the recent volley of personal insults quite offputting. I don't want to come to a Matrix Games forum and come across that stuff. I have managed many forums and mailing lists over the years and I would have no hesitation in banning the individual(s) responsible for the recent thread.

That is why I tried to change the tune here from personal insults to something constructive like a semi AAR, but I see that is useless here with all the bull crap going on, so gentlemen? and ladies please go on with your remarks and I will refrain from making anymore attempts to show how this game is truly one of a kind computer war game.

Bo

[CrusssDaddy]

Please continue refuting, or not as the case so far has proven to be. How about an AI opponent? Supposing the game is released this year (an audacious presumption!), which of the following is the most accurate statement:

A. The initial release will include an A.I. opponent.

B. The initial release will not include an A.I. opponent, but one will be available (for an additional fee) within 6 months.

C. The initial release will not include an A.I. opponent, but one will be available (for an additional fee) within 12 months.

D. The initial release will not include an A.I. opponent; one is planned and hoped-for but will not be available within 12 months, or possibly ever.

For the sake of this question let us ignore the potential ability of the A.I. opponent and thus exclude tiresome and false argumentation along the lines of, "Oh WiF is tooooooooooo complicated for an effective/entertaining A.I. opponent, blah blah blah..."

[warspite1]

Never mind.... it's not worth it

[pochepiller]

Yes its worth it! I think D, the AI will take a long time to come out in any satisfactory fashion. Its not a bad thing for me as I only want to play with people or maybe against me to see potential strategy.

So Warspite1, play the game and stop facepalming, when this game will come out? I want your guess and thanks for all the response.

David G.

[Joseignacio]

ORIGINAL: pochepiller

Yes its worth it! I think D, the AI will take a long time to come out in any satisfactory fashion. Its not a bad thing for me as I only want to play with people or maybe against me to see potential strategy.

So Warspite1, play the game and stop facepalming, when this game will come out? I want your guess and thanks for all the response.

David G.

You are totally right there! Ask Steve to give you back all the money you already paid!

O, wait...

I simply cannot understand why some people feel entitled to complain that a game has not come out, while they have absolutely no title on it, no ticket of buy, no reservation, no nothing.
Steven could as well cancel the Project tomorrow and nobody could even argue he cannot, so...

[pochepiller]

O, wait...

I simply cannot understand why some people feel entitled to subdue any negative comments about a game. I have no title on this game so I can't talk about it? Or maybe you just want to hear happy positive comments Joseignacio?

I just hate when board like this one became too accomodating and just can't tolerate anyone against the grain.

So Joseignacio and Warspite1, when this game is coming: Less or more than one year?

David
Québec