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[font="Times New Roman"]4 - 6 November 1942[/font]
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[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]SUBS: [/font] The subs near Ceylon get no further strikes on anything larger than a DD, and several are sent home with significant damage. About 4-5 ASW TFs are roaming the waters now. Time to get out.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]CHINA: [/font] Nicks are still getting to 100 feet against the big Chinese stack and receiving no AA, putting small hits on the troops. This should mean he's out of supply here, but I don't want to risk a massive defeat yet. I'll wait until he possibly shifts troops to defend the Tuyun-Kweiyang area and after more days of bombardment and steady air strikes.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]PACIFIC: [/font] No action as I decided to upgrade my zeros here to A6M3a.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]BURMA: [/font] CVs left Ceylon again and seem to be heading back toward Diego. Are they possibly shifting to anther theatre through Cape Town?

No further moves here in the air or on the ground. Magwe is back in action with an air HQ and no damage to the fields.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR November 4, 42
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Ground combat at Car Nicobar (44,62)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 2639 troops, 28 guns, 40 vehicles, Assault Value = 120

Defending force 3112 troops, 23 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 89

Allied adjusted assault: 3

Japanese adjusted defense: 87

Allied assault odds: 1 to 29 (fort level 0)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Allied ground losses:
409 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 69 disabled

Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)


Assaulting units:
100th Indian Brigade
107th RAF Base Force

Defending units:
Kure 3rd SNLF
2nd Raiding Regiment
Yokosuka 1st SNLF
1st Raiding Rgt /1
37th Const Co
27th JAAF AF Bn /1
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR November 5, 42
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Ground combat at 76,51 (near Tuyun)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1570 troops, 194 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3311

Defending force 144123 troops, 852 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4744


Allied ground losses:
80 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Assaulting units:
66th Infantry Regiment
2nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
20th Recon Regiment
36th Division
27th Division
56th Recon Regiment
35th Division
32nd Division
4th Ind.Mixed Brigade
13th Ind.Mixed Brigade
41st Division
6th Ind.Mixed Brigade
17th Tank Regiment
3rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
26th Recon Regiment
1st Mortar Battalion
13th Army
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
12th Army
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Army
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
11th Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
27th Chinese Corps
16th Chinese Corps
30th Chinese Corps
52nd Chinese Corps
33rd Chinese Corps
18th Chinese Corps
67th Chinese Corps
46th Chinese Corps
13th Chinese Corps
25th Chinese Corps
38th Chinese Corps
74th Chinese Corps
53rd Chinese Corps
1st Chinese Corps
99th Chinese Corps
9th Chinese Corps
68th Chinese Corps
75th Chinese Corps
96th Chinese Corps
2nd Chinese Corps
4th Chinese Cavalry Corps
3rd Heavy Mortar Regiment
2nd Group Army
56th AT Gun Regiment


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Ground combat at Chihkiang (78,50)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 100 troops, 13 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2756

Defending force 63986 troops, 366 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2423



Assaulting units:
40th Division
17th Division
22nd Division
6th Division
116th Division
104th Division
23rd Army
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion

Defending units:
84th Chinese Corps
62nd Chinese Corps
92nd Chinese Corps
88th Chinese Corps
3rd Chinese Cavalry Corps
91st Chinese Corps
56th Chinese/C Corps
60th Chinese Corps
59th Chinese Corps
1st Chinese Cavalry Corps
71st Chinese/C Corps
17th Chinese Base Force
32nd Group Army
57th AT Gun Regiment
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR November 6, 42
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Morning Air attack on 18th Chinese Corps, at 76,51 , near Tuyun

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 25
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing from 100 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 30th Chinese Corps ...

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[font="Trebuchet MS"]Kiso and other CL/DD are running fast transport to Car now. These ships are so useful in this role; quick and with 400 troop and 250 cargo capacity.[/font]
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[font="Times New Roman"]7 - 9 November 1942[/font]
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[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]SUBS: [/font] The sub flotillas are sortying again. The Allied CVs show themselves and look to be coming back for some reason again.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]INDIAN OCEAN: [/font] My fast transports dropped a garrison unit on Car and this is going to make the base all but impregnable to assault in the near future unless the Allies are coming with more. Interestingly, the CVs that looked to be heading toward Diego circled around and caught my smaller CL led force that had unloaded and chased a group of APDs at Car. I still don't know what these ships were doing there, as none were attacked and there are still only two units there.

All subs and planes are on stand-by. I took the liberty of inserting 300 mines at Sabang and Victoria point in case of bombardments and I have 50 on subs heading to Car for the 10th. At Sabang 50 Kates with escorts are set, 65 Nells are ready from Medan, another 100 Bettys and 50 Kates from Victoria Point, 30 Betty from Chumpon and 25 Vals from Port Blair. All are aiming for one hex beyond Car which is 9 hexes for Kates and 10-15 for the 2E torpedo bombers.

There are 25-30 subs not damaged and ready to go, and there are MTBs and midget subs at Sabang plus the non-damaged CL/DD TF at Victoria Point. Only 3% moonlight. Long Lance time!

He may just be extracting his troops, or something else, but I'm ready for more invasions as well.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]CHINA: [/font] All troops should be at Tuyun tomorrow and then will begin moving together once out of strat mode.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]PACIFIC: [/font] Some sweeps pover two days again result in just about 1:1 losses.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]BURMA: [/font] The Chindits land at Ramree Island and take the base. I'll begin walking an IJA division there which will take it back if he doesn't bring more. If he does bring more there are now 27 Vals and 30 Kates at Rangoon with 45 A6M3a. I'll begin LR CAP from Prome tomorrow.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR November 7, 42
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Car Nicobar at 44,62, Range 23,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Kiso
DD Yugumo
DD Yukikaze
DD Hayashio
DD Hagikaze

Allied Ships
APD Fox
APD Brooks
APD Gilmer
APD Hatfield
APD Kane

Reduced sighting due to 0% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 0% moonlight: 3,000 yards
Range increases to 23,000 yards...
Both Task Forces evade combat

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Morning Air attack on 15th Const Co , at 54,48 (Ramree Island)

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 34
Hudson IIIa x 3
Wellington Ic x 12
Hudson I x 12
Hudson III (LR) x 12
B-17E Fortress x 32
B-17F Fortress x 12
B-24D Liberator x 31
B-25C Mitchell x 15
B-26 Marauder x 3
B-26B Marauder x 21


Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
59 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Hudson I bombing from 6000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at 76,51 (near Tuyun)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1570 troops, 194 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3333

Defending force 144094 troops, 851 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4745


Allied ground losses:
119 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 6 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Ground combat at Ramree Island (54,48)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 790 troops, 22 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 58

Defending force 274 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3

Allied adjusted assault: 4

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Ramree Island !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), disruption(-)
preparation(-), fatigue(-)
Attacker: op mode(-), shock(+), leaders(-), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
160 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 15 destroyed, 0 disabled

Units retreated 3

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
111th Chindit Bde /1

Defending units:
Yokosuka 1st SNLF /3
15th Const Co
Southern Fleet /1

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR November 8, 42
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Morning Air attack on 18th Division, at 55,48 , near Ramree Island

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 37,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 17
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 7

Allied aircraft
Hurricane XIIb x 15


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed


No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on Port Moresby , at 98,130

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 84 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 20
A6M3a Zero x 52



Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 14
Kittyhawk IA x 14
Spitfire Vc Trop x 14
P-39D Airacobra x 23
P-400 Airacobra x 21
P-40E Warhawk x 23
P-40K Warhawk x 23


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 3 destroyed
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
Kittyhawk IA: 1 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed
P-400 Airacobra: 2 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
25 x A6M3a Zero sweeping at 31000 feet
10 x A6M3a Zero sweeping at 31000 feet
10 x A6M3 Zero sweeping at 31000 feet

CAP engaged:
No.75 Sqn RAAF with Spitfire Vc Trop (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 37000 , scrambling fighters between 34000 and 37000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
No.76 Sqn RAAF with Kittyhawk IA (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 26000 and 29000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes
No.60 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 35600 , scrambling fighters between 24000 and 35000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes
12th FS with P-39D Airacobra (0 airborne, 16 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 32100.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
8th FG/35th FS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 16 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 25000 and 29000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
347th FG/67th FS with P-400 Airacobra (0 airborne, 14 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 29000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes
8th FG/80th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 16 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 20000 and 27000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes

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Morning Air attack on 18th Division, at 55,48 , near Ramree Island

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 15
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 4



Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 27


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 3rd RTA Division, at 55,48 , near Ramree Island

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 3
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 2



Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 47
Hudson IIIa x 3
Hudson I x 12
B-18A Bolo x 12
B-17E Fortress x 19
B-24D Liberator x 26
B-25C Mitchell x 31
B-26 Marauder x 9
B-26B Marauder x 9


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson IIIa: 1 destroyed
Hudson I: 1 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
65 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Hudson I bombing from 6000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Koggala at 33,56

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 63
SBD-2 Dauntless x 17
SBD-3 Dauntless x 34


Allied aircraft losses
SBD-2 Dauntless: 1 damaged
SBD-3 Dauntless: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Hayashio, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Kiso, Bomb hits 1
DD Hagikaze
DD Yugumo, Bomb hits 1, on fire



Aircraft Attacking:
5 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Koggala at 33,56

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes


Allied aircraft
TBF-1 Avenger x 15


Allied aircraft losses
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CL Kiso, on fire
DD Yukikaze

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x TBF-1 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Koggala at 33,56

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 64
SBD-3 Dauntless x 50
TBF-1 Avenger x 14


Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 5 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Hagikaze, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Kiso, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Yugumo, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

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Sub attack near Koggala at 32,59

Japanese Ships
SS RO-67

Allied Ships
DD Napier
CA Hawkins
DD Stack
DD Nepal
DD Tjerk Hiddes
DD Van Galen

SS RO-67 launches 4 torpedoes at DD Napier
DD Nepal fails to find sub and abandons search

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Morning Air attack on Tennant Creek , at 76,137

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 69 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 21



Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 9 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
CW-22 Falcon: 1 damaged
L-212: 4 damaged
139WH-3: 2 damaged
B-339D: 10 damaged
B-339D: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 24

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Port Moresby , at 98,130

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 24



Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 14
Kittyhawk IA x 14
Spitfire Vc Trop x 14
P-39D Airacobra x 21
P-400 Airacobra x 17
P-40E Warhawk x 23
P-40K Warhawk x 21


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk IA: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
6 x A6M3a Zero sweeping at 31000 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Port Moresby , at 98,130

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 11 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 21



Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 14
Kittyhawk IA x 10
Spitfire Vc Trop x 13
P-39D Airacobra x 20
P-400 Airacobra x 15
P-40E Warhawk x 20
P-40K Warhawk x 20


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-400 Airacobra: 1 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on Port Moresby , at 98,130

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 13 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 12


Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 13
Kittyhawk IA x 10
Spitfire Vc Trop x 13
P-39D Airacobra x 18
P-400 Airacobra x 11
P-40E Warhawk x 16
P-40K Warhawk x 18


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed


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[font="Trebuchet MS"]Since I know the Chindits are not full strength, I now he has to bring more of other units to try to keep this base. It'll be interesting to be on th either side of an air transport reinforcement. [;)][/font]
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His SBD pilots are disappointing their CO I'm sure. That's quite a nice escape, considering the number of sorties over the cruiser. Hopefully the fires are under control with little floatation or engine damage.
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ORIGINAL: zuluhour

His SBD pilots are disappointing their CO I'm sure. That's quite a nice escape, considering the number of sorties over the cruiser. Hopefully the fires are under control with little floatation or engine damage.

It was a short-lived escape, I'm afraid. [:(]
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[font="Times New Roman"]10 - 12 November 1942[/font]
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[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]SUBS: [/font] Only one sub had contact with the Allied fleet, not getting a shot off. Others hover around Car just waiting for a chance.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]INDIAN OCEAN: [/font] So now I'm not sure the purpose of the Allied CV mission back toward the Andamans. Maybe this was just a run back to hit ships I sent in to reinforce Car and see what other targets of opportunity were around. If this is the case it accomplished it's goals admirably.

The wounded CL Kiso and several DDs made their way to near Port Blair before the Allied CVs moved in from their trajectory aimed at Car and hit them with more DB and TB strikes. Over these days he sank the Kiso and five good DDs. I'm really steamed I let these ships get into harms way, and I can't afford these kinds of losses now. The IJN is sitting in port primarily just for this reason, but still I managed to lose six more very useful ships for the price of one sunk DD and a reinforced dot base. Not enough.

The Allied cruisers hit Sabang on the 10th for little damage, but somehow avoided the 320 mines there while bombarding from has close as 8000 yards. That doesn't seem right. They managed to miss all three big subs and 4 midgets stationed at and on the approaches to the base, but did sink 4 MTBs and got into a skirmish with three small DDs which got in close to 1k yards and Minekaze sank the USS Balch with a TT hit.

About 33 Nells made torpedo runs against these ships at 14 hex range and none could score a hit. Good pilots too. Not sure what is happening there.

The Allied CVs were engaged accidentally by the four DDs I sent to refuel another injured ship, and they got to 7k yards firing Long Lances, but no hits were landed. They did score 3 x 12.7cm hits on Saratoga which was nice, but not enough for such low moonlight and such close engagements. It should be a Long Lance dream engagement. If the CVs were screened then I''m surprised the escorts didn't get some hits.

From Port Blair a flight of Vals escorted by Tojos and Oscars managed to break 16 through. They had dives on the Enterprise, Saratoga and Hermes (as well as 4 who went for a DD !!???!![:@]), but scored only two x 250kg hits on the Hermes. Not exactly what I was looking for, but nice to know they could get through the CAP.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]BURMA: [/font] He tried to reinforce Ramree by sea with an xAKL solo run, and it was hit and sunk by Kates from Rangoon.

Lightnings made a concerted effort to clear LR CAP over Ramree and got good results (about 2.5:1), but still left some CAP there which over three days caused the loss of 30+ transports and flying boats. I think he's going to find this is not an easy place to maintain troops at this point in the war, and if he gets the CVs involved that'll just put them again in harm's way near LBA and hordes of subs. My division is moving slowly across, and should get there

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]OZ:[/font] Some more bombing of Tenant Creek and a few more planes hit n the ground.

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Sabang at 44,70, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Asakaze
DD Minekaze, Shell hits 2
DD Okikaze, Shell hits 2

Allied Ships
CA Astoria, Shell hits 1
CA Minneapolis, Shell hits 1
CA San Francisco, Shell hits 1
CA Quincy, Shell hits 1
DD Hammann
DD Bagley
DD Blue
DD Henley
DD Patterson
DD Dunlap
DD Balch, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Clark

Reduced sighting due to 3% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 3% moonlight: 1,000 yards
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
Range closes to 14,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
Range closes to 2,000 yards...
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
DD Balch engages DD Okikaze at 1,000 yards
DD Balch sunk by DD Minekaze at 1,000 yards
CA Minneapolis engages DD Minekaze at 1,000 yards
Range increases to 2,000 yards
CA Quincy engages DD Okikaze at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 4,000 yards
CA Quincy engages DD Okikaze at 4,000 yards
DD Okikaze engages DD Hammann at 4,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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Night Naval bombardment of Sabang at 44,70

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 13 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 3 destroyed on ground
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground
A6M3a Zero: 5 damaged
A6M3a Zero: 2 destroyed on ground

Allied Ships
CA Quincy
CA San Francisco
CA Minneapolis
CA Astoria

Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 22

CA Quincy firing at 5th Division
CA San Francisco firing at Sabang
CA Minneapolis firing at 5th Division
OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for CA Astoria
CA Astoria firing at 5th Division


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Sabang at 43,70, Range 20,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-7, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
MTB G-1, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
MTB G-2, Shell hits 1, and is sunk


Allied Ships
CA Astoria
CA Minneapolis
CA San Francisco
CA Quincy
DD Hammann
DD Bagley
DD Blue
DD Henley
DD Patterson
DD Dunlap
DD Clark

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 20,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 20,000 yards
Moore, S. crosses the 'T'
Nomizo, H. orders Japanese TF to disengage
Range closes to 15,000 yards
MTB G-2 sunk by DD Hammann at 13,000 yards
Combat ends with last Japanese ship sunk...

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Port Blair at 44,55, Range 26,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Akigumo, Shell hits 21, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Naganami, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Maikaze
DD Nowaki

Allied Ships
CV Saratoga, Shell hits 3
CV Yorktown
CV Enterprise
CV Hornet
CV Wasp
CVL Hermes
BB Washington
BB South Dakota, Shell hits 2
CLAA Atlanta
CLAA Juneau, Shell hits 1
CLAA San Diego
CLAA San Juan, Shell hits 1
DD Grayson
DD Monssen
DD Aaron Ward
DD Duncan
DD McCalla
DD Farenholt
DD Woodworth
DD Bailey
DD Bancroft
DD Caldwell
DD Mustin
DD Russell

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 26,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 26,000 yards
CV Wasp , CV Hornet , CV Enterprise ,
CV Yorktown , CV Saratoga , CVL Hermes screened from combat
- escorted by DD Russell , DD Mustin , DD Caldwell ,
DD Bancroft , DD Bailey , DD Woodworth ,
DD Farenholt , DD McCalla , DD Duncan ,
DD Aaron Ward , DD Monssen
Range closes to 25,000 yards
Range closes to 16,000 yards
DD Nowaki engages BB South Dakota at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards
DD Akigumo engages CV Saratoga at 7,000 yards
DD Nowaki engages CV Saratoga at 8,000 yards
Range increases to 10,000 yards
BB South Dakota engages DD Maikaze at 10,000 yards
Range increases to 13,000 yards
DD Grayson engages DD Naganami at 13,000 yards
Range increases to 18,000 yards
BB Washington engages DD Akigumo at 27,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Sabang at 35,70

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 57 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 45
G3M3 Nell x 34

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 6 damaged
G3M3 Nell: 2 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
CA Astoria
CA Minneapolis
CA Quincy
CA San Francisco
DD Blue
DD Clark

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x G3M3 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
20 x G3M3 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Port Blair at 44,55

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 114 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 42 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D3A2 Val x 21
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 12
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 42

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 116


Japanese aircraft losses
D3A2 Val: 6 damaged
D3A2 Val: 4 destroyed by flak
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 5 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Enterprise
DD Maury
CV Wasp
CV Saratoga
CVL Hermes, Bomb hits 2, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x D3A2 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
2 x D3A2 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
11 x D3A2 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Port Blair at 43,52

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 43
SBD-2 Dauntless x 17
SBD-3 Dauntless x 16


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-2 Dauntless: 1 damaged
SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CL Kiso, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Little Andaman at 42,54

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 12
SBD-3 Dauntless x 30
TBF-1 Avenger x 14


Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 3 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Yugumo, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Yukikaze, Bomb hits 6, and is sunk


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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Port Blair at 44,55

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 66
SBD-3 Dauntless x 17


Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Maikaze, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage

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ASW attack near Car Nicobar at 37,62

Japanese Ships
SS RO-64, hits 2

Allied Ships
BB South Dakota
BB Washington
CLAA San Juan
CLAA San Diego
CLAA Juneau
CLAA Atlanta
DD Bailey
DD Aaron Ward
DD Russell
DD Mustin
DD Caldwell
DD Bancroft


SS RO-64 is sighted by escort
DD Russell fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Mustin attacking submerged sub ....
DD Caldwell attacking submerged sub ....
DD Bancroft fails to find sub and abandons search
Escort abandons search for sub

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Morning Air attack on 18th Division, at 55,48 , near Ramree Island

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 26
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 37
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 59


Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 22


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38G Lightning: 1 destroyed


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Morning Air attack on 18th Division, at 55,48 , near Ramree Island

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 26
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 37
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 44

Allied aircraft
P-38F Lightning x 25


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 12 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-38F Lightning: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 54,48

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 18
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 29

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
xAKL Kalarand, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

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[font="Trebuchet MS"]This was hard to watch. you wan to make a mark when you can get anything in shooting range of the main CV fleet, and we had two engagements that came up virtually empty in one day. [/font]
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[font="Times New Roman"]13 - 14 November 1942[/font]
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[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]SUBS: [/font] All subs in the IO go into small area patrols and a few move out for deep early warning search. About ten are having repairs done at Singapore and Victoria Point.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]INDIAN OCEAN: [/font] The US CVs do not reappear. Still curious here what will be next. There is also what appears to be a SAG hanging around Chittagong. Kates and Vals at Rangoon are still active.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]CHINA: [/font] All troops begin moving to the woods, and immediately Chinese troops show movement from Kweiyang and the blocking stack near Tuyun. Interestingly the troops in the river blocking hex also show movement toward Kweillin. If he's moving all of these units, sending some to the woods and some to Kweillin, firstly the ones in movement have lost their fortification. Secondly maybe few units will be here in a few moves. I'm thinking of sending the two Armored divisions over the river. Yikes. They could get trashed, but sometimes even at poor odds, tanks in China don't lose a lot of squads or devices in battle against superior forces.

There are some big decisions here. I'll post some maps soon.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]PACIFIC: [/font] No fighters in PM now. I'm reconning NE OZ bases from Milne Bay, and there isn't a lot around, confirming that this seems like a secondary theatre for both of us. Most bases on New Britain and New Guinea will not build past level 2 fields and level 1 ports, but will aim for 5-6 forts.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]BURMA: [/font] While two groups of Lightnings found empty air over the troops near Ramree, my LR CAP over that base didn't react and move to cover, which was a good thing this day. Later around 10-12 transports were taken down over Ramree. I sent sweeps targeting about 80 fighters newly based at Cox's Bazaar. I imagined these were LR CAP for Ramree. Often LR CAP will defend it's own base before heading out to the assigned destination. This seems to be what happened here. All planes were set at 10k and arrived in small packets. First Nicks arrived and got about even numbers. Then the Tojos arrived and lost no planes and killed about 25 of the opposing. [:)]

Arriving perfectly after the sweeps, 25 Sallys met no opposition and wrecked the base hitting more fighters on the ground. [8D]

While writing this up I received a message from Torsten about revising our HRs. Interesting. He wants night-bombing back, obviously, as he doesn't want to have to lose bombers bombing in daylight. [8|]

Can the Japanese player actually have success without it being 'unfair?' Seems a good question lately.

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Morning Air attack on Cox's Bazar , at 54,43

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 24

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 27
Hurricane IIc Trop x 19
Kittyhawk I x 7
P-40E Warhawk x 14


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
Kittyhawk I: 1 destroyed



CAP engaged:
No.111 Sqn RCAF with Kittyhawk I (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(7 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 7 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
No.11 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(10 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 10 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
No.17 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (13 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(13 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
13 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
No.30 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(9 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 9 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
No.135 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(14 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 14 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes
49th FG/9th FS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(14 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 14 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 38 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Cox's Bazar , at 54,43

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 11 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 36

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 18
Hurricane IIc Trop x 14
Kittyhawk I x 2
P-40E Warhawk x 10

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 3 destroyed
Hurricane IIc Trop: 2 destroyed
Kittyhawk I: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 31000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Cox's Bazar , at 54,43

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 27
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 11

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 14 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed on ground
Kittyhawk I: 3 damaged
Kittyhawk I: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 41

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Looks like B-26s over Lae
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My worst fears as an AFB. Surface combat with my CV TFs which seldom have more than one heavy cruiser attached for protection with 1 plane guard DD and 4-5 more escorting DDs per carrier. I usually have a surface force at "0" hexes react 3 to ward off this type of encounter, but I'm not sure it will work as it has never been triggered in three PBEMs.
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My worst fears as an AFB. Surface combat with my CV TFs which seldom have more than one heavy cruiser attached for protection with 1 plane guard DD and 4-5 more escorting DDs per carrier. I usually have a surface force at "0" hexes react 3 to ward off this type of encounter, but I'm not sure it will work as it has never been triggered in three PBEMs.

I had 4 Kongo BBs get to the Allied CVs and fight for a good while landing no hits on them i spite of surprise and a few other advantages. It was incredibly frustrating, especially in this game after my KB was hit on turn two by a 22 knot BB Nevada over and over in one combat and somehow was not screened and couldn't just run away. My expectations for surface combat against Allied CVs is very low. The law of percentages has to work for my on maybe the third or four try though, right? [;)]
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Why does he want night bombings back?
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I understand the frustration. IJN doctrine all leads to destruction by surface elements with commanders whom long for the chance to close on the enemy and defeat him at close quarters. Wonder if the AI mechanics add a mystery level of protection for them.
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Why does he want night bombings back?

He landed at Ramree with the Chindits (again, and still probably not at full strength after the Magwe adventure). This was fine, as there is no airfield and no port there so whatever he brings in will be subject to getting hit.

He tried for a few days to send transports which were intercepted (official patch interception working very well) and I think he was trying to LR CAP from Cox's himself on this last turn to see if these fighters would cover the transports. I anticipated that and sent sweeps and an air strike in at Cox's knowing that often LR CAP will protect the home field before flying over a distant base.

Sure enough, his entire fighter force was at 10k and our two high sweeps got about 8:1 on the day there.

His exact comment was; "The current rule about night bombing turned it totally useless. 50 bombers are to few to have any impact. As you've seen, I almost stopped night bombing. Your last Ki-44 sweep showed how necessary plastering the bases for those fighers is.

Next thing is LR-Cap. I have no means to stop you from killing 5-10 transports per turn, as you are CAPing my base and I can't sweep it. What can we do here? I see your need to CAP."

Interesting.

Night-bombing should be ineffective against an airfield as evidenced by trials in war, and the fact that he can still hit 3-4 planes and put 10-15 damage on a field with 50 planes every night if he chose to seems significant to me, if it's not to him. In fact he could hit 4-5 different fields with 50 bombers each and do quite a lot of damage still, so I'm not sure the problem.

So he's captured a base he can not support except at risk to his forces and now wants a rule change. I'm half thinking of letting him have it just so we can again see how silly night bombing is in it's effectiveness right now (at least using the official patch).
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Why the heck would he need night bombing? Why can´t he do like everyone else and "plaster the bases for those fighters" in daylight? Seriously? I wouldn´t budge if I were you. If you allow it he will set every available bomber he has on night attack and just start closing your bases one by one.

Ask him why he can´t do like everyone else?
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Why the heck would he need night bombing? Why can´t he do like everyone else and "plaster the bases for those fighters" in daylight? Seriously? I wouldn´t budge if I were you. If you allow it he will set every available bomber he has on night attack and just start closing your bases one by one.

Ask him why he can´t do like everyone else?

Well, that is basically what I said, that he has every ability to hit those bases in the day. he can still use 50 bombers to take out 3-5 fighters on the ground and put 10-15 damage on the base if he wants to soften it for sweeps the next day.

He probably liked his one massive attack enough that he can't think of doing anything else now that would actually put his forces in danger. night bombing doesn't so that's what he wants to use.
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This game seems to be on hold. After Torsten's request for an HR adjustment on the night bombing he's become very busy and hasn't sent any replies to my notes on the subject. So, another break. Or maybe more. We'll see.
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I don´t understand his reasoning here at all. 95% of ongoing games have a HR or several to deal with night bombing yet he thinks its unfair of you to have one? I don´t get it all. As I said earlier I can´t understand why he can´t do like everyone else.

Its a shame since you vouched to play on despite the horrendous start you got but I doubt he will return.
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I don´t understand his reasoning here at all. 95% of ongoing games have a HR or several to deal with night bombing yet he thinks its unfair of you to have one? I don´t get it all. As I said earlier I can´t understand why he can´t do like everyone else.

Its a shame since you vouched to play on despite the horrendous start you got but I doubt he will return.

I've thought this before, and then he came storming back doing three turns a day at times. I just don't know.

He is in politics now, and this has seemingly made his time more sporadically busy, and I did just get a note saying he is in the middle of a campaign right now.

Interestingly his request to reconsider HRs on night bombing also included all kinds of other thoughts on limiting capabilities I've shown a proclivity toward, like air transport, ASW, and even LR CAP of the base he's sending transports to reinforce. The last one is a bit odd since he took it knowing I have bases two hexes away and he has no airfield there! (Ramree Island)
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[font="Times New Roman"]16 November - 15 December 1942[/font]
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[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]GAME ON (AGAIN): [/font]After a hiatus Torsten has come back to do regular turns. We trade on average one a day. I've not updated the AAR much but thought I'd take a stab today since the game is still interesting, if slow. After the big move into the Andamans Torsten has been very quiet. He still has a lot of forces in the India area as I've learned through some recent recon, but I don't know the location of the Allied CVs. I'm thinking he will simply wait until Hellcats to do something bigger now.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]SUBS: [/font] Torsten's subs have now largely been neutralized. He has stopped leaving them around the approaches to Kyushu after a few got HIT messages. They still haunt the approaches to Balikpapan, but 4 ASW TFs and two ASW air units are also here, so they haven't hit anything recently.

The IJN subs are concentrated in the Indian Ocean. About 30 are on patrol between Ceylon and the Andamans, and a few more are sitting at Victoria Point and Singers waiting, while a few are farther afield on recon and early warning missions. Only about 5 are in the Pacific, simply to get some possibility of early detection.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]DEI: [/font] Units are very slowly filling in bases to form a defense. Scenario 1 has so few troops that there are large holes all over still.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]PACIFIC: [/font]Some jousting has gone on around Port Moresby, and the Allies have sent about 100 fighters in several times, only to retreat after big losses. We've been getting about 1:1 down here, which is fine. Some Hurri IIc are in the area, which is interesting. He made a move to take Lunga, which was empty, but I've since bombed the fields and troops and the only unit here is a small garrison. He also walked to Terapo from PM but I've bombed that periodically, and it's still a level 1 field. There are four units there and it's easy to sweep and suppress any LR CAP for now anyway. After the latest sweeps I tried got less than positive results he's continued to base 120+ fighters in PM. I'm gearing up for some bigger sweeps with Tojo and A6M5 once the groups have all upgraded.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]BURMA: [/font] Burma has gone a bit quiet. There is an occasional big sweep by the Allies but no major bombing runs. I sense a building of pools and troops. He has taken and solidified Ramree Island, but lost a few transports and 4 APDs in the process.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]CHINA: [/font]This theatre has been the most active in recent months. Torsten has done a fantastic job of stymying my advances. He's got a good defensive line along the Chikhiang to Kweiyang [EDIT] line. I've not been able to break through in spite of weeks of bombarding by air and ground, bombing of nearby bases to reduce supply, and pouring supply in to keep my units well in the white. The Northern areas are static and I won't advance up there, even though there are possibilities. Due to our agreement to have a Chinese Reserve should China collapse there is no point going from the North as all retreating troops could simply pile into the mountains, and once I got to Chungking I'd have to stop anyway to give him the truce area. I'll not make such a compromise again.

It's a fun theatre, and I enjoy the maneuvering that has developed, which still involve bigger stacks as there are no stacking limits. I've got some new ideas, and still have interior lines to use, so there is possibility to get through in the future I think. I'd like to bag a bunch of troops and block the mountains mostly.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]NORTH PACIFIC:[/font] I've not taken any of the Aleutians, and Torsten is building up Shemya and Attu in particular. I'm almost certain there will be a move here at some point. I'll build out from Hokkaido, but it's likely I won't have enough troops ready come spring 43.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]ANDAMANS:[/font] Torsten landed the 100th Indian Brigade on Car Nicobar the last time he sent the fleet over, and it took him a while to extract the unit. I'm thinking this is one that combined into a division and he needed it absolutely, as he sacrificed about 40-45 PBY of various US and Brit models flying them out. I have a group of Rufes on Car Nicobar that basically became and expert group with experience in the 60-75 range during this. That has to be a big hit to his search ability in late 42 as well. I know the PBY are scarce. I thought about letting it continue, but eventually decided to kill off the remaining troops as the Brit replacements are so low as well.
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Ground combat at Car Nicobar (44,62)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 12349 troops, 163 guns, 40 vehicles, Assault Value = 517

Defending force 1942 troops, 33 guns, 42 vehicles, Assault Value = 5

Japanese adjusted assault: 212

Allied adjusted defense: 17

Japanese assault odds: 12 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Allied ground losses:
340 casualties reported
Squads: 22 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 24 disabled
Engineers: 10 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)


Assaulting units:
16th Division
2nd Raiding Regiment
Kure 3rd SNLF
14th Garrison Unit
1st Raiding Regiment
Yokosuka 1st SNLF
37th Const Co
27th JAAF AF Bn /1

Defending units:
107th RAF Base Force
100th Indian Brigade

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100th Indian Brigade Wiped Out at Car Nicobar by attrition!!!

Allied Unit(s) surrounded at Car Nicobar


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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR December 1, 42
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CHINA: This was the shock over the river after a bunch of maneuver and deception which actually led 100k Chinese to move into the wooded off-road hex to the South. Still, even with a supply negative and a 1:1 attack we couldn't break through due to heavy disablements. It's been stuck here now for two weeks as I try to bombard, repair troops and try again. Two days later he had reinforced to 3400AV.
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Ground combat at 75,50 (near Kweiyang)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 107021 troops, 977 guns, 1699 vehicles, Assault Value = 4033

Defending force 66539 troops, 334 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2419

Japanese adjusted assault: 1434

Allied adjusted defense: 922

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
16225 casualties reported
Squads: 38 destroyed, 1683 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 128 disabled
Engineers: 47 destroyed, 159 disabled
Guns lost 132 (3 destroyed, 129 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
3379 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 466 disabled
Non Combat: 15 destroyed, 142 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 39 disabled
Guns lost 35 (5 destroyed, 30 disabled)


Assaulting units:
39th Division
34th Division
8th Ind.Mixed Brigade
56th Engineer Regiment
13th Tank Regiment
9th Ind.Mixed Brigade
1st Ind.Mixed Brigade
37th Division
53rd Infantry Brigade
57th Infantry Brigade
2nd Tank Division
7th Ind.Mixed Brigade
1st Tank Division
15th Division
26th Engineer Regiment
21st Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
55th Chinese Corps
36th Chinese Corps
22nd Chinese Cavalry Division
51st Chinese Corps
5th Chinese Cavalry Corps
2nd Chinese Cavalry Corps
73rd Chinese Corps
10th Construction Regiment
79th Chinese Corps
65th Chinese Corps
56th Chinese/A Corps
76th Chinese Corps
86th Chinese Corps
56th Chinese/B Corps
14th Construction Regiment
4th War Area
1st Group Army
5th Construction Regiment
22nd Artillery Regiment
8th Construction Regiment
12th Construction Regiment
9th Group Army
20th Artillery Regiment
1st Artillery Regiment
7th Artillery Regiment
18th Artillery Regiment
30th Group Army
4th Heavy Mortar Regiment

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR December 4, 42
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AIR: There have been a few big days and lots of small engagements in both Burma and the South Pacific. here is a sample day that went well but ended up about even in losses overall, as most of these have recently. Our rule that defensive planes can go to any altitude band but offensive planes are limited to 2nd best tends to favor the defender.
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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 34
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 92
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 10

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 2 destroyed

CAP engaged:
1st Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(9 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 6 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 21000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes
27th Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(10 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 32 minutes
59th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(12 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 8 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 33000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
77th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(21 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 16 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 33000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 3 minutes
85th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(14 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 10 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 34 minutes
50th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (4 airborne, 10 on standby, 22 scrambling)
14 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 33000 , scrambling fighters between 18000 and 33000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 13 minutes
64th Sentai with Ki-43-Ic Oscar (3 airborne, 8 on standby, 23 scrambling)
11 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 11000 and 26000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 13 minutes
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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 32
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 80
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 9

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 6 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Port Moresby , at 98,130

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 86 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 68

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 14
Kittyhawk IA x 13
Spitfire Vc Trop x 14
P-39D Airacobra x 21
P-40E Warhawk x 20
P-40K Warhawk x 43

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk IA: 2 destroyed
Spitfire Vc Trop: 1 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 4 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 5 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
29 x A6M3a Zero sweeping at 31000 feet
13 x A6M3a Zero sweeping at 31000 feet

CAP engaged:
No.75 Sqn RAAF with Spitfire Vc Trop (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 37000 , scrambling fighters between 33000 and 37000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
No.76 Sqn RAAF with Kittyhawk IA (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 29000 , scrambling fighters to 29000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes
No.60 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 34000 , scrambling fighters between 27000 and 31000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes
12th FS with P-39D Airacobra (0 airborne, 14 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 14000 and 32100.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes
8th FG/35th FS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 14 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 24000 , scrambling fighters between 24000 and 29000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
347th FG/67th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 14 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 29000 , scrambling fighters to 29000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes
8th FG/80th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 16 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 29000 , scrambling fighters between 26000 and 29000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 30
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 64
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 8



Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 32
Hurricane XIIb x 16
P-38E Lightning x 25
P-38F Lightning x 25
P-38G Lightning x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 4 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 2 destroyed
P-38E Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-38G Lightning: 1 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Hurricane XIIb sweeping at 31000 feet
13 x Hurricane IIc Trop sweeping at 31000 feet *
13 x Hurricane IIc Trop sweeping at 31000 feet *
19 x P-38G Lightning sweeping at 31000 feet
14 x P-38E Lightning sweeping at 31000 feet
19 x P-38F Lightning sweeping at 31000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 22
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 49
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 6



Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 16
Kittyhawk IA x 12
P-40E Warhawk x 175


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Kittyhawk I sweeping at 20000 feet *
12 x Kittyhawk IA sweeping at 20000 feet *
23 x P-40E Warhawk sweeping at 20000 feet *
23 x P-40E Warhawk sweeping at 20000 feet *
25 x P-40E Warhawk sweeping at 20000 feet *
19 x P-40E Warhawk sweeping at 20000 feet *
22 x P-40E Warhawk sweeping at 20000 feet *
17 x P-40E Warhawk sweeping at 20000 feet *
17 x P-40E Warhawk sweeping at 20000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 18
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 40
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 4

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 2 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on Port Moresby , at 98,130

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 116 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 22
A6M5 Zero x 10
G4M1 Betty x 33



Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 10
Kittyhawk IA x 8
Spitfire Vc Trop x 14
P-39D Airacobra x 10
P-40E Warhawk x 9
P-40K Warhawk x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 6 destroyed
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged


Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire Vc Trop: 8 damaged
P-39D Airacobra: 5 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed on ground

P-40K Warhawk: 7 damaged
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed on ground
Catalina I: 1 destroyed on ground


Airbase hits 20
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 61

Aircraft Attacking:
31 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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I've been pretty lax about maximizing things in the economic system. After all of the talk about supply, LI increase and how these situations play out in the end I'm curious how this one will be different. I was very carefree about it all for the first six months as I didn't expect to last long after losing three CVs on turn 2. I took risks and banked little.

Looking back now it's still not so bad. I'm a little low on resources in the HI as I've not been watching convoys from the North to Honshu and a few were not on CS, so haven't been hauling. I've just fixed that and the 4 million on Hokkaido will start moving over quickly now.

Very little is being sent to the South Pacific. I'd like to heavily focus on New Guinea and the Marianas while leaving the Gilberts, Marshalls and Solomons almost without opposition. I'll build the area around Rabaul and New Britain a bit, but the good troops will stay back toward the more vital areas. All of this should save supply.

The fuel looks good but since I didn't take Palembang until April and Miri has just finished completing repairs to its oil, that is a bit low. Torsten also crushed the Magwe oil relentlessly. The ship usage is low and has been for some time. No KB running around and very few other ships moving other than those hauling resources.

The HI should be at 800k by 1/1/43 which is fine. I'll bank another million or more in 43 and 44, so that should be decent.

Before the new year I plan to tighten the game up and get serious about extending it since it looks to be continuing now.
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A look at the progress over time.
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