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I never realized this was a "political" rating......hmmmm all making cents now.

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Personally I find the whole SwPac staff disturbing. I leave them in Tasmania.

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Poor Wainwright. The guy had the nickname "Skinny" BEFORE he was a POW. MacArthur seemed to understand he should feel some guilt for leaving them all behind. I am guessing he is trying to portray that in that phograph which is either staged or they are getting ready for a waltz lesson.

In the MacArthur film with Gregory Peck the scene where he meets Wainwright again is actually quite powerful. I don't really know if was true to life or Peck just nailed it.
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Personally I find the whole SwPac staff disturbing. I leave them in Tasmania.

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I've always thought Wainwright probably hated Mac with all his guts, and in this photo he tried his hardest not to show it. I know I can't stand Mac and eveything he stood for. I think he was one of the worst generals in the history of the American army.
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OK, here is what I would call an honest, stem to stern naval HQ with a real admiral in charge and no naval support points. What do they do, human resource management? EIR reports? Congressional tours? M&M contracting?[:D]

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Seems to me you're suppose to put your worst Admiral in these HQs and put them at a major repair base...a dump for Admirals that have the intelligence of my Sister-in-law's current flavor of the month.
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Speaking of HQ units "hogging" all the T-bones, did you know the Army of the Potomac transported 21,000 head of cattle for the Peninsular Campaign. MClellan was REARRY good at organization, he just didn't know when to attack.

I would not be surprised if the had a help line where you could ask question by telegraph as well.

He was a major reason the army was as well trained, organized, armed into the army it became.. he just lacked some of the other major qualities you want in your main generals.
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As we can all agree that a 100 ton crane won't fit on a C-47 and therefore the main benefit for a naval HQ is cheerleading, safety posters and phone support lines why couldn't an air HQ do the same thing?

Nav Support might well include the 100 ton cranes, but also includes many more portable assets as well. Here's one description JWE gave
Instead, this function is abstracted by a new unit type called Naval Support. Among its many other nifty functions, NavSup is presumed to include a Harbor Master, lighterage, stevedore crews, and definitely speeds up the unload rates at small ports. NavSup is included in Base Forces and elsewhere.

Of course, getting the stevedores to commute a 100 miles or more in a war zone is problematic. But at least it's more rational to think that some fraction of the HQs folks/lighters/etc. are detached for remote duty than it is to envision that crane teleporting from place to place. Here's a Don Bowen post on that:
Naval support stands in for a lot of things, including cargo lighters and shore cargo handling parties. I have no problem visualizing these being dispatched down the coast for a big job.

I realize the above information is dangerously close to being on-topic for the forum, so in the interest of etiquette will mention that I'm not a big fan of strawberries, allegorical or otherwise; although my wife enjoys strawberries in season.


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18th Div makes it across the Irrawaddy. JJ is trying to creep up on Myitkyina, but I have no idea why.

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Perhaps grasping?? Any straw salesmen local?
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ORIGINAL: zuluhour

Personally I find the whole SwPac staff disturbing. I leave them in Tasmania.

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I've always thought Wainwright probably hated Mac with all his guts, and in this photo he tried his hardest not to show it. I know I can't stand Mac and eveything he stood for. I think he was one of the worst generals in the history of the American army.

In the fifties he was still claiming that the Navy could have relieved the Philippines. There are some still saying the reason we didn't was because of the commies in D.C.

He obviously had huge political clout. I just don't understand the basis for it.
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18th Div makes it across the Irrawaddy.

Huzzah!

JJ is trying to creep up on Myitkyina, but I have no idea why.

The unit south of Myitkynia is not moving. I think it is just there as a road bump so we can't easily open up the Lashio cut-off to Paoshan and move supply over the Burma road. Not sure that is a valid concern considering there is no road access to Ledo and the base has little supply. Surely someone has read the manual? There is also the small matter that we don't own Paoshan either. [:)]

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Naval support stands in for a lot of things, including cargo lighters and shore cargo handling parties. I have no problem visualizing these being dispatched down the coast for a big job.

I realize the above information is dangerously close to being on-topic for the forum, so in the interest of etiquette will mention that I'm not a big fan of strawberries, allegorical or otherwise; although my wife enjoys strawberries in season.




Good explanation! HQ flies in strike breakers when the union guys start taking 3 hr lunch breaks![:)]

Just in case there was any confusion, I was yust having some vun. I love this game. [:)]


PS...sorry you don't like strawberries. Homemade short cake...homemade whipped cream..ripe strawberries...<eyes roll back>.

There is this trend in California where they can get 4 or 5 strawberry crops a year to grow these monsters that taste like dyed pine saplings.
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Hory Crap! JJ is sending Littah Yerrow Baastards to Horycrappo-jima???

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Japan mens high command figure out where Arries going before Arries figure it out. Now, they might be headed to Ishigaki or Iriomote or even Okinawa, though the latter seems unlikely because their heading in SE.

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Found an armored Bn at Altimonan to send to Horycrappo-jima. Counting embarkation, it should take them about 5 d to get there as well. There is also a LYB surface group at Miri. Not sure what they are doing. Perhaps trying to infiltrate the Western wall of the corridor.

There is also a surface group within night strike range of Iba and Vigan. HMAS Perth will stay behind at Vigan and try to provide security.
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Bay of Bengal

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Not sure I understand why the RAF gets all the supplies? [:)]

44th Indian is well and truly beat up. Probably JJ is in bad shape too.

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***********May 7, 1943(c)*********

Horrycrappo-jima: Damn! Japan mens try to rand at Miyako-jima but Lt. Ulysses S Reese fool them. He show up.

Day Time Surface Combat, near Miyako-jima at 91,66, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAK Nitiho Maru
xAK Nasusan Maru
xAK Nisshun Maru
xAK Oigawa Maru
xAK Satsuma Maru
PB Minowa Maru
PB Heizan Maru
PB Nigitsu Maru
PB Hozugawa Maru
PB Tenshin

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PT-231
PT-236

Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Japanese TF suspends unloading operations and begins to get underway


Then major Bryan shows up with two 81mm mortar teams and captures the place. These are some of the few survivors of 503rd PIR. A staff flunkie sent them to Horrycrappo-jima instead of 1st Marine Para. [:-] Even so, it worked. Hilrarious after 18 mos of game turns both sides decide Horrycrappo-jima is a must have. [:)]


Ground combat at Miyako-jima (91,66)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 0 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 2

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Miyako-jima !!!

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Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
503rd Parachute Rgt /2
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Lt Reese, Navy Cross winner. Hero of the first battle of Horrycrappo-jima[:)]

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Maj Bryan and the boys go for a swim at the bustling new US Army base on Miyako-jima. They all agree it is an amazingly beautiful prace. They also capture the German Cultural Center and two aged Nazi Party members.

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