question on gound losses...

[Semachus]

Hello...a friend and I have been gaming scenario 17 now (3 day turns) using the version 2.20. Now recently over a three day period I lost (as the IJN player) 6,000 men due to air attacks.
Now I can see perhaps (or even maybe) when one is strafing with 100 plus aircraft...but when 9 planes are attacking...the total lost is 565,.....and over 2700 men were lost to 52 fighters and fighterbombers....
Now I did check...they have supplies...but the support number is very low. Now with the support number being low I can see enemy ground troops doing this damage..but enemy aircraft? Any thoughts or opinions?

Here is the text of the combat reports:


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/26/43

Weather: Rain

Air attack on Bia , at 41,42


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 3
P-40E Warhawk x 3
P-38G Lightning x 3


no losses

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 565
Guns lost 2


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Air attack on Bia , at 41,42


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 6


no losses

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 210


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Air attack on 238th Regiment, at 41,42


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 5
SBD Dauntless x 32
Beaufort x 8
P-40E Warhawk x 15
P-38G Lightning x 15
A-20B Boston x 9
A-20G Havoc x 9
B-25J Mitchell x 24
A-20G Boston x 7


no losses

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 120

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet
4 x Beaufort at 5000 feet
3 x A-20G Boston at 5000 feet
6 x A-20G Havoc at 5000 feet
4 x Beaufort at 5000 feet
9 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet
3 x A-20B Boston at 5000 feet
4 x A-20G Boston at 5000 feet
3 x A-20G Havoc at 5000 feet
6 x A-20B Boston at 5000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet
9 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet

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Air attack on 238th Regiment, at 41,42


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 22
B-25D Mitchell x 9
B-25J Mitchell x 18
PB4Y Liberator x 3


no losses

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 60

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x B-25J Mitchell at 2000 feet
3 x B-25D Mitchell at 2000 feet
6 x B-25D Mitchell at 2000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell at 2000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator at 2000 feet
6 x B-25J Mitchell at 2000 feet
6 x B-25J Mitchell at 2000 feet

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Air attack on Bia , at 41,42


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 17
P-40E Warhawk x 21
P-38G Lightning x 14


no losses

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 2782
Guns lost 5


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Air attack on Bia , at 41,42


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 49


no losses

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 601



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Air attack on Bia , at 41,42


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 3
P-40E Warhawk x 3
P-38G Lightning x 3


no losses

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 398
Guns lost 2


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Air attack on 238th Regiment, at 41,42


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 18
SBD Dauntless x 42
Beaufort x 9
P-40E Warhawk x 21
P-38G Lightning x 15
A-20B Boston x 9
A-20G Havoc x 10
B-25J Mitchell x 21
A-20G Boston x 6


no losses

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 204
Guns lost 1

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x A-20G Boston at 5000 feet
6 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet
6 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet
5 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet
3 x A-20G Boston at 5000 feet
6 x Beaufort at 5000 feet
6 x A-20G Havoc at 5000 feet
3 x Beaufort at 5000 feet
3 x A-20B Boston at 5000 feet
6 x A-20B Boston at 5000 feet
4 x A-20G Havoc at 5000 feet

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Air attack on Bia , at 41,42


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 20
P-40E Warhawk x 21
P-38G Lightning x 15


no losses

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 1446


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Air attack on Bia , at 41,42


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 54


no losses

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 761



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Air attack on Bia , at 41,42


Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 3


no losses

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 19


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Air attack on 237th Regiment, at 41,42


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 24
SBD Dauntless x 45
Beaufort x 12
P-40E Warhawk x 24
P-38G Lightning x 15
A-20B Boston x 10
A-20G Havoc x 10
B-25J Mitchell x 22
A-20G Boston x 9


no losses

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet
3 x A-20G Boston at 5000 feet
3 x Beaufort at 5000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet
6 x Beaufort at 5000 feet
3 x A-20G Boston at 5000 feet
4 x A-20G Havoc at 5000 feet
6 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet
3 x A-20G Havoc at 5000 feet
3 x A-20B Boston at 5000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet
4 x A-20B Boston at 5000 feet
3 x A-20B Boston at 5000 feet
3 x A-20G Havoc at 5000 feet
3 x Beaufort at 5000 feet
3 x A-20G Boston at 5000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet

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Air attack on Bia , at 41,42


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 21
P-40E Warhawk x 21
P-38G Lightning x 15


no losses

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 141


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Air attack on Bia , at 41,42


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 45


no losses

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 20


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[Drex]

I have always thought that UV ground losses by air were excessive but I don't know if the new patch addresses this.

[Mr.Frag]

Did you actually loose that many or was it a fog of war thing?

There was mention in Joel's notes about a fix to the reporting of excessive ground troops lost...

[Semachus]

Hello,
Umm, I wish it was a fog or war thing......(sigh). I had checked the units at Bia were at about 15,200 souls...then three days later when I checked after those horrific losses (Rambo anyone?)...I was down to about 9,500 men....

[Raverdave]

Yup, this is one of the outstanding things that still need to be fixed....this should be in the bug forum.

[Joel Billings]

Originally posted by Drex
I have always thought that UV ground losses by air were excessive but I don't know if the new patch addresses this.

The new patch tries to fix it, but I can't say if we've done enough yet in this area. I have found that fortifications make all the difference in avoiding losses from the air attacks.

[Raverdave]

Well thats good to hear that the Patch has gone some way towards a fix.

[Mr.Frag]

I have found that fortifications make all the difference in avoiding losses from the air attacks.

Now there's a shocker

Who would have ever thought that being surrounded by concrete & sandbags would keep you alive?

Sometimes we tend to ignore the obvious.