Bring me the head of Diego Garcia...and the Mayor of Addu Atoll too!

[Cap Mandrake]

I might add they also left out the Hawaiian Good Luck Sign.

[Cap Mandrake]

And what the Hell is a "skeg"?

[Lecivius]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

What is the sign for when you are standing on the deck of a damaged CVE and a *#(@)#(# Ida drops a 60 lb bomb which flies right down the stacks, right through the disabled boiler, out through a drain, down a ladder, ricochets off a steam pipe, down another deck and then strikes a damaged hull support which cracks, causing the keel to crack like an egg?

.!..

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

What is the sign for when you are standing on the deck of a damaged CVE and a *#(@)#(# Ida drops a 60 lb bomb which flies right down the stacks, right through the disabled boiler, out through a drain, down a ladder, ricochets off a steam pipe, down another deck and then strikes a damaged hull support which cracks, causing the keel to crack like an egg?

I didn't see the facepalm, which I'd recommend in this instance.

[sprior]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

And what the Hell is a "skeg"?

a look, peek or view.

[zuluhour]

Geez, I wonder how many times I've was "insulted overseas! As for the Moutza, jokes on him, I don't have a sister.[:D]

[Crackaces]

ORIGINAL: zuluhour

Geez, I wonder how many times I've was "insulted overseas! As for the Moutza, jokes on him, I don't have a sister.[:D]

I found most of this signs not in the common repertoire but Two important ones not covered ..the ol' trick of stealing a child's nose and putting ones thumb between the index and first finger is an insult and the "OK" sign .. both meaning the same thing ... Probably what the Hispanic squid buried deep in that CVE was making .. everybody is thinking .."Hey were OK!!" [8D]

[sprior]

Meanwhile...

JJ gets all uppitty in SEAC.

Once more they try to dislodge the Op Tony force:

Ground combat at Port Blair (46,58)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 10853 troops, 125 guns, 19 vehicles, Assault Value = 158

Defending force 5213 troops, 59 guns, 82 vehicles, Assault Value = 97

Japanese adjusted assault: 69

Allied adjusted defense: 29

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
651 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 68 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled

Allied ground losses:
185 casualties reported
Squads: 12 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
55th Infantry Regiment
10th Garrison Unit
56th Infantry Regiment
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
1st Provisional Base Force

Defending units:
44th Indian Brigade
45th Indian Brigade
173 Wing
13th Indian Light AA Regiment
120th RAF Base Force

We kill them.

Then at Mandalay they try a counterattack:

Ground combat at Mandalay (59,46)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 15121 troops, 188 guns, 207 vehicles, Assault Value = 555

Defending force 32825 troops, 432 guns, 1170 vehicles, Assault Value = 1074

Japanese adjusted assault: 113

Allied adjusted defense: 278

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
4399 casualties reported
Squads: 170 destroyed, 132 disabled
Non Combat: 15 destroyed, 107 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 81 disabled
Guns lost 45 (11 destroyed, 34 disabled)
Vehicles lost 37 (11 destroyed, 26 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1143 casualties reported
Squads: 12 destroyed, 108 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 21 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 25 disabled
Guns lost 28 (1 destroyed, 27 disabled)
Vehicles lost 25 (2 destroyed, 23 disabled)

Assaulting units:
124th Infantry Regiment
55th Cavalry Regiment
55th Engineer Regiment
112th Infantry Regiment
Guards Tank Division
14th Tank Regiment
7th RTA/C Division
35th Field AA Battalion
22nd JAAF AF Bn
23rd JAAF AF Bn
36th JAAF AF Bn

Defending units:
25th Indian Division
254th Armoured Brigade
23rd Indian Division
50th Tank Brigade
26th Indian Division
163rd Light AA Regiment
15th Indian Engineer Battalion
85th British AT Gun Regiment
8th Medium Regiment
6th Medium Regiment
43rd Cavalry Engineer Regiment
12th Indian Engineer Battalion
24th Indian Engineer Battalion

We kill them too.

[sprior]

Then we launch our countercounterattack:

Ground combat at Mandalay (59,46)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 29995 troops, 395 guns, 1117 vehicles, Assault Value = 952

Defending force 11372 troops, 203 guns, 199 vehicles, Assault Value = 294

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Allied adjusted assault: 394

Japanese adjusted defense: 39

Allied assault odds: 10 to 1 (fort level 1)

Allied forces CAPTURE Mandalay !!!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 3 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
4361 casualties reported
Squads: 151 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 218 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 80 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 128 (109 destroyed, 19 disabled)
Vehicles lost 176 (176 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 7

Allied ground losses:
190 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 31 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Assaulting units:
50th Tank Brigade
25th Indian Division
254th Armoured Brigade
23rd Indian Division
26th Indian Division
6th Medium Regiment
163rd Light AA Regiment
8th Medium Regiment
12th Indian Engineer Battalion
43rd Cavalry Engineer Regiment
85th British AT Gun Regiment
15th Indian Engineer Battalion
24th Indian Engineer Battalion

Defending units:
Guards Tank Division
112th Infantry Regiment
55th Engineer Regiment
7th RTA/C Division
22nd JAAF AF Bn
14th Tank Regiment
124th Infantry Regiment
55th Cavalry Regiment
35th Field AA Battalion
23rd JAAF AF Bn
36th JAAF AF Bn


We kill them and capture Mandalay. Ha!

Nellie can go home.

Then we add insult to injury:

Ground combat at Meiktila (58,47)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 133 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 12

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 12

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 12 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied forces CAPTURE Meiktila !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
50th Indian Para Bde /1

Some days things just go right.

[sprior]

We went after the airfield at Pingu today:

Morning Air attack on Pegu , at 55,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 24

Allied aircraft
Liberator II x 15
B-24D1 Liberator x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-36 Ida: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator II: 1 destroyed, 11 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 6

Later, much later:

Afternoon Air attack on Pegu , at 55,53

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 13 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 15

Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38G Lightning: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x P-38G Lightning sweeping at 25000 feet

No more bully beef for them until they start turning up on time.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: sprior
No more bully beef for them

Do you promise?

[Cap Mandrake]

Wow! Good show in Burma. Never seen simultaneous attacks like that. That was a serious mistake by the Shinto Boys, attacking like that at Mandaray. I can see why they tried given how disastrous the combat result looked from the day before for the Arries. Turned out, however, all the Indian divisions were only at about 50% disruption after the river crossing. They might have been able to hold up to our attack had they not disemboweled themselves first.

I'm guessing they retreated West, also a big mistake, but they came blame that on the AI. Had they retreated to Meiktila, they would have prevented its capture.

[Cap Mandrake]

Central Burma is completely toast for the Shinto Boys, Odin-worshippers and McGoo Cargo Culters alike. That LYB unit at Magwe has started moving East to Miktila but it's too late. Arried armour from Mandaray will beat them there.

[sprior]

Hopefully our tanks can move faster than the ladyboys.

[Crackaces]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Central Burma is completely toast for the Shinto Boys, Odin-worshippers and McGoo Cargo Culters alike. That LYB unit at Magwe has started moving East to Miktila but it's too late. Arried armour from Mandaray will beat them there.

As far as the greater Burma .. Chickenboy still maybe thinks there is a possible secondary line .. my money is that a few stray units exist in the jungle/road hexes ...

Once Armor gets into the Thai Plains .. it is all over .. John Pinette can start the opera ...

[Cap Mandrake]

Yes, they could form a line in the jungle/jungle rough hexes but they have to have the men to do it.

[sprior]

JJ still has 2 tank divisions at Prome and somewhere out there is 33rd Div, last seen heading west from Lashio, and Imperial Guards.

They've lost their strongest defence line (with only level 2 forts!) but they still have some fight in them yet.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Crackaces
Chickenboy still maybe thinks there is a possible secondary line ..

Like my 5th Grade teacher told the class, "Don't put words in my mouth. It's unsanitary."

It's possible that Taung Gyi is supported / defended / built up. I know I'd do it-and a few other choice JR or J hexes too. I'm not sure about the uber-Emperor in this case. There've been some real head scratchers with the Japanese R&D and deployments (Truk? Still? Really?). I've no idea what the Allied dogs will find elsewhere in Burma in this game. Anything could happen.

[Cap Mandrake]

Manira: The captain of the damaged Kuma, evidentry surmising that Manira harbor is no safe prace, tries to make a run for the South China Sea. She runs into Wichita making the milk run to bombard Manira. A Jap shell rands within 200 yds of the ornithology deck of Wichita. Fortuantely, BFC Bardot and Generoso are safe

Night Time Surface Combat, near Lubang at 78,78, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Kuma, Shell hits 4, on fire

Allied Ships
CA Wichita
DD MacDonough, Shell hits 1, on fire

[Crackaces]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Crackaces
Chickenboy still maybe thinks there is a possible secondary line ..

Like my 5th Grade teacher told the class, "Don't put words in my mouth. It's unsanitary."

It's possible that Taung Gyi is supported / defended / built up. I know I'd do it-and a few other choice JR or J hexes too. I'm not sure about the uber-Emperor in this case. There've been some real head scratchers with the Japanese R&D and deployments (Truk? Still? Really?). I've no idea what the Allied dogs will find elsewhere in Burma in this game. Anything could happen.

I did not mean to put words into your mouth as much as summarizing our thread .. my gut feel in looking at the combat reports indicates to me that there is not a whole lot more of unengaged units worth putting on a defensive line and I understand your post:

"Aye, but what information do we, the implaccable [sic] readers, have regarding recent recon efforts at Taung Gyi and beyond (the secondary WJD MLR)?" (WitP AE AAR, 2013, post 13021)

Suggests to me that one needs to still consider a secondary line ...not so much as putting words in our mouth as summarizing and extending .. done everyday in peer reviewed journals ...thus I quote "thinks maybe .." but a better way of putting this is that Chickenboy's comment in post 13021 suggests to me to still consider a secondary line ... [8D]

Now I agree that Tuang Gyi can be a tough nut to crack and could be built up .. but I think it will soon be neutralized by Spirior's move on Prome and ability to cross over the jungle to cut off rail supply ... Thus whatever is defending the critical rail junctures is in deep trouble from my experiences ...N=2 in which I used a Burma offense to end the game in '43 and mid '44 respectively ... regardless of Cap's move to turn the Home Islands into ash ...