Field Marshal von Fogger vs Comrade Marshal Fulkerson

[fogger]

I think airfields do provide supply. This is after I dropped an airborne div to capture a bridge and airfield and then dropped a comdo unit to capture another airfield. As can be seen they do provide supply

[fogger]

On the southern end of the centre I am now across the the river and depending upon what units larry can ship in in a hurry I will now be able to start turning his line.

[larryfulkerson]

Another turn another picture. This is the Leningrad area now. John has been making some progress in the narrow gap area. He's
pushing his units through there. And he's made some progress in the Smolensk area too. I'm thinking I'm going to have to cut my
losses and sacrafice Leningrad so I can defend Moscow better. What do you guys think?

[larryfulkerson]

Here's the Smolensk area now:

[Petey]

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

Another turn another picture. This is the Leningrad area now. John has been making some progress in the narrow gap area. He's
pushing his units through there. And he's made some progress in the Smolensk area too. I'm thinking I'm going to have to cut my
losses and sacrafice Leningrad so I can defend Moscow better. What do you guys think?

Do you think its that bad to give up L-grad this early?

[larryfulkerson]

Here's the Kiev to Odessa area. The Stalin Line is causing the hold up of multiple divisions and I'm blocking most of the river crossings
and it looks like I might get to the Dnepr river before John but just getting there doesn't guarantee that all is well. I need to gather a
bunch of troops to block the spearhead on the east side of the river because I sure can't stop John from getting across the river.
Odessa will probably hold out about 8 turns or so......a month game time.

[larryfulkerson]

Here's a closeup of the narrow gap area near Leningrad. John is having no problem pushing his units through this area and in a turn or
two will be past there and on his way across the river Narva. I've railed all a lot of people into this area but it's not enough and the
problem is that John is making great gains in other places and those other places are more important than Leningrad. Not that L. isn't
important. I'll try to hang onto it as long as I can.

[Petey]

ORIGINAL: fogger

I think airfields do provide supply. This is after I dropped an airborne div to capture a bridge and airfield and then dropped a comdo unit to capture another airfield. As can be seen they do provide supply

Have to give John credit for a lot of unconventual moves so far in this game

[larryfulkerson]

ORIGINAL: Petey

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson
Another turn another picture. This is the Leningrad area now. John has been making some progress in the narrow
gap area. He's pushing his units through there. And he's made some progress in the Smolensk area too. I'm
thinking I'm going to have to cut my losses and sacrafice Leningrad so I can defend Moscow better.
What do you guys think?

Do you think its that bad to give up L-grad this early?

Yeah, that's the question on everybody's mind right now. Give up Lgrad or not. I'm genually flommoxed about whether or not and
what's the best thing to do. John is making great gains down south and as bad as I need the people up here in the Lgrad area I need
people in other places too. I've got the rail cap, the problem is the shortage of units to ship around. I'm getting them a handfull at a time
now. The initial surge is mostly over and now I'm shipping late arriving units to the front lines. I'll post something to show you what I
mean.

[larryfulkerson]

ORIGINAL: Petey
Have to give John credit for a lot of unconventual moves so far in this game

I know. It's great. I'm having a blast even though I'm losing so far.

Here's an example of what I'm talking about. In turn 16 there's only a relative handful of units compared w/ the tons of
stuff that's due to arrive in T17. And T18 has another large haul. It's only until then that the real reserves will arrive. And
I'm going to have to decide where to ship them pretty soon now because they are needed in several priority spots. They will
probably be employed as soon as they can get off the train.

[larryfulkerson]

ORIGINAL: fogger
On the southern end of the centre I am now across the the river and depending upon what units larry can ship in in a hurry I will now be able to start turning his line.

This is the area where John was talking about rolling up my lines. He can do that easily because the entire Bryansk area is wide open.
I need to ship a boat-load of troops into that area to provide some blocking in front of Moscow, not just to prevent John from rolling up
my lines. I can't imagine why I let this get this critical this early. It's probably because John is advancing way faster than I had planned.
In WITE I would be railing the industry out of Leningrad to the Urals.

[larryfulkerson]

John has employed his paratroopers. I've found an element of the FJ ( paratroopers ) division and I have reason to believe that the
entire division is landed behind my lines and I've got a new threat to deal with. From where they are now, on airports and everything,
that they can reach just about anywhere on the map that's important. I remember we have a house rule about dropping w/in 10 hexes
of a friendly land combat unit but I don't remember if we are observing that rule or not.

[larryfulkerson]

I moved the 91st NKVD unit and discovered the rest of the FJ division and some Burgermisters on the airport.

[larryfulkerson]

Here's some of the losses so far:

[larryfulkerson]

Here's how the air war is going now:

[larryfulkerson]

Here's a new look at the Bryansk area now that I've railed in a bunch of blockers. They will be combat ready next turn and then I'll have
a little insurance against Axis breakthroughs.

[fogger]

The FJ Div was 6 hexs from the lead elements of the 4th Panzer when I dropped them. Refer to my post above about the supply from airfields.

[larryfulkerson]

ORIGINAL: fogger
The FJ Div was 6 hexs from the lead elements of the 4th Panzer when I dropped them. Refer to my post above about the supply from airfields.

Thanks John. That's good enough for me.

[Telumar]

ORIGINAL: fogger

I think airfields do provide supply. This is after I dropped an airborne div to capture a bridge and airfield and then dropped a comdo unit to capture another airfield. As can be seen they do provide supply

Once more: Airfields do NOT provide supply. There is a "hole" in the enemy ZOCs where your land based supply can pass through.

You have an armored engineer unit bridging the major river three hexes SW of Dobrinskaja. That's where the Fallschirmjäger units draw supply from. If you haved moved the engineers onto that hex after the para drop, then i would suspect the supply/communications path to be further north, looks pretty empty up there, though i don't have the entire intel.

[Telumar]

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

ORIGINAL: Petey

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson
Another turn another picture. This is the Leningrad area now. John has been making some progress in the narrow
gap area. He's pushing his units through there. And he's made some progress in the Smolensk area too. I'm
thinking I'm going to have to cut my losses and sacrafice Leningrad so I can defend Moscow better.
What do you guys think?

Do you think its that bad to give up L-grad this early?

Yeah, that's the question on everybody's mind right now. Give up Lgrad or not. I'm genually flommoxed about whether or not and
what's the best thing to do. John is making great gains down south and as bad as I need the people up here in the Lgrad area I need
people in other places too. I've got the rail cap, the problem is the shortage of units to ship around. I'm getting them a handfull at a time
now. The initial surge is mostly over and now I'm shipping late arriving units to the front lines. I'll post something to show you what I
mean.

The best thing to do is to fight for that city. Dig in and dig in deep. It's 10% production iirc and it's an entry point for reinforcements. Terrain is very favorable for defence, there are fortifications around the city and you don't want AG North be reinforced by the Finnish army or see them cross the Svir river, because that's what happens when Leningrad falls.

EDIT: Also consider, as terrain in that area favours defence, that if you give up the city, you might want to re-conquer it one day which will be much more difficult for you than for the Germans.