Hairy Asian Experiences - GreyJoy (J) vs. Q-Ball (A)

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

In the last 102 days tracker says we've lost 252,000 supplies and 120,000 fuel...[X(]

Is that normal? [X(]

[Richard III]

Yeah, how that happen ??[X(]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

In the last 102 days tracker says we've lost 252,000 supplies and 120,000 fuel...[X(]

Is that normal? [X(]

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: Richard III

Yeah, how that happen ??[X(]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

In the last 102 days tracker says we've lost 252,000 supplies and 120,000 fuel...[X(]

Is that normal? [X(]

Pretty simply: i produce 25,900 supplies daily, while i spend an average of 29,000 every day. Even if Brad didn't bomb some of my HIs in China, i couldn't produce much more than 26,500.
That's because in this mod (DBB) the refineries do not produce supplies, so i have far less supplies produced than in stock.

The problem is that i'm going to spend even more...with all the LCUs coming as reinforcements in the next months....[:o]

[obvert]

Tough with the supply. You'll likely be having to start massive increases in certain engine factories as well, unless you've already done so. I've found I really can't have too many Ha-45 and I'm sure the same will be true with the Ha-43 once that comes online.

[ny59giants]

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[kjnoel]

Notwithstanding that there was a problem in this scenario (scen 2 with scen 1 supply or somesuch?) which michaelm assisted with...

and it's the beta with a decision to stop refineries creating supply just because someone objected to Palembang Fortress troops eating fuel - no different to aircraft flying on, firing and dropping rice cakes, but there you go - and without compensating LI (I may be wrong here)...

....but running out of supply is just one way of crashing the Japanese economy....Every factory point repaired costs 1000 supply; less supply = less factories.

My point (I play both sides coz it's such a fun game, so always have both up and downsides form every change) is that running out of supply is also an economic consequence of the industry approach of the Japanese player.

[JohnDillworth]

If memory serves me right, in the epic game between PzB vs Andy Mac, PzB was doing very well as Japan. He to ran out of supplies late in the game. I don't think they even finished it because of this problem.

You and Brad need to discuss what to do about this issue. Post in the Mod Section about this in the DBB 30 thread. It needs a solution.

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Would this have been alleviated had Japan built less "stuff"? Japan can build thousands of planes above historical production, would that have contributed to the current supply problems?

[PaxMondo]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Pretty simply: i produce 25,900 supplies daily, while i spend an average of 29,000 every day. Even if Brad didn't bomb some of my HIs in China, i couldn't produce much more than 26,500.
That's because in this mod (DBB) the refineries do not produce supplies, so i have far less supplies produced than in stock.

The problem is that i'm going to spend even more...with all the LCUs coming as reinforcements in the next months....[:o]

Stop spending more than you produce. Turn off factory repair and units replacements. Your supply usage should drop to less than 10K/day.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

If memory serves me right, in the epic game between PzB vs Andy Mac, PzB was doing very well as Japan. He to ran out of supplies late in the game. I don't think they even finished it because of this problem.

You and Brad need to discuss what to do about this issue. Post in the Mod Section about this in the DBB 30 thread. It needs a solution.

_____________________________

Would this have been alleviated had Japan built less "stuff"? Japan can build thousands of planes above historical production, would that have contributed to the current supply problems?

Yes, and the supply situation should be dire for Japan in the late game if the Empire is still extended and the LOC is long and difficult. I think this is something we have to live with playing Japan, especially in a scenario that has no supply produced by refineries (not that I like this solution, since those places did produce the stuff that planes run on in the war, and in the game this is supply).

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

If memory serves me right, in the epic game between PzB vs Andy Mac, PzB was doing very well as Japan. He to ran out of supplies late in the game. I don't think they even finished it because of this problem.

You and Brad need to discuss what to do about this issue. Post in the Mod Section about this in the DBB 30 thread. It needs a solution.

As posted above, I get that playability would suggest that it needs a solution, but would a nation keep it's Empire extended if it couldn't supply it's forces, or would it begin to conserve, stop expanding factories, live with less and begin an intentional strategic pull back? Sucks, but maybe that's the solution.

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Pretty simply: i produce 25,900 supplies daily, while i spend an average of 29,000 every day. Even if Brad didn't bomb some of my HIs in China, i couldn't produce much more than 26,500.
That's because in this mod (DBB) the refineries do not produce supplies, so i have far less supplies produced than in stock.

The problem is that i'm going to spend even more...with all the LCUs coming as reinforcements in the next months....[:o]

Stop spending more than you produce. Turn off factory repair and units replacements. Your supply usage should drop to less than 10K/day.

These suggestions can at least keep you going while the supply builds up again. I know you've already turned off a lot of fort building. I also had to do this at various points. I look at supply levels every day, and i'm not in nearly as extreme a scenario.

[GreyJoy]

Sorry for the lack of updates guys. Unfortunately life kicks in right during the most interesting moments of this game [:o]

Feb 8, 1944

Right when we thought Brad's decision to advance against Timor/west was a weird one, Brad showed me that this was, again, another elaborate feint.
Obviously, seeing that all his major CVs and landing fleet was near Broome, I had moved my reserves in the Kendari-Timor area... and Brad took advantage of it!
Today he lands a HUGE APA convoy at Sarmi, delivering the 5th Aus Division...right under my nose... only a pitfull number of unescorted Judys and Helens took off from Biak and got slaughtered by his LRCAP.
At the very same time, his CVs remain still at 8 hexes SW of Roti...not moving...just attracting my attention....so that he could strike elsewhere. Nice!
Actually the struggle in NG wasn't over. During the morning some Corsairs swept Biak, followed by 100 4Es that sunk in port 19 transports (even some fast xAPs [:o]), 2 "E"s, 2 ACMs and 2 AKEs, along with a number of barges and PBs... painfull... I had some 100 fighters at Biak (KI-84r) but decided to let them rest for a day... bad decision!!!

Then the enemy swept Roti with P-47s from Damar (east of Lautem), achieving a stunning 8-1 against N1K2 and J2M3s...

Then again 60 4Es, escorted by Boomerangs from Oz attacked Alor...this time they found 100 Jap fighters (Georges, Nicks and Tojos). We didn't do that well this time (high fatigue and low morale) but at least we downed 20 of the basterds.

Ambon and Boela were both attacked by bombers... it's getting really hard to defend our main bases.

The allies did another para operation, conquering a little island north of Ambon (called Obi)... they are trying to flank all my main bases... you can easily see the pattern: Gorong->Misol-> Obi... not much I can do. Cannot garrison them all... now he'll start sending a costant flow of barges and PTs...almost impossible to stop...

So my KB remain locked, along with my main air and naval defences to Timor, looking at his landing fleet (a feint?), while Brad exploits this advancing on both sides of New Guinea unmolested... Really well planned[&o]

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

If memory serves me right, in the epic game between PzB vs Andy Mac, PzB was doing very well as Japan. He to ran out of supplies late in the game. I don't think they even finished it because of this problem.

You and Brad need to discuss what to do about this issue. Post in the Mod Section about this in the DBB 30 thread. It needs a solution.

_____________________________

Would this have been alleviated had Japan built less "stuff"? Japan can build thousands of planes above historical production, would that have contributed to the current supply problems?

Yes, and the supply situation should be dire for Japan in the late game if the Empire is still extended and the LOC is long and difficult. I think this is something we have to live with playing Japan, especially in a scenario that has no supply produced by refineries (not that I like this solution, since those places did produce the stuff that planes run on in the war, and in the game this is supply).

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

If memory serves me right, in the epic game between PzB vs Andy Mac, PzB was doing very well as Japan. He to ran out of supplies late in the game. I don't think they even finished it because of this problem.

You and Brad need to discuss what to do about this issue. Post in the Mod Section about this in the DBB 30 thread. It needs a solution.

As posted above, I get that playability would suggest that it needs a solution, but would a nation keep it's Empire extended if it couldn't supply it's forces, or would it begin to conserve, stop expanding factories, live with less and begin an intentional strategic pull back? Sucks, but maybe that's the solution.

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Pretty simply: i produce 25,900 supplies daily, while i spend an average of 29,000 every day. Even if Brad didn't bomb some of my HIs in China, i couldn't produce much more than 26,500.
That's because in this mod (DBB) the refineries do not produce supplies, so i have far less supplies produced than in stock.

The problem is that i'm going to spend even more...with all the LCUs coming as reinforcements in the next months....[:o]

Stop spending more than you produce. Turn off factory repair and units replacements. Your supply usage should drop to less than 10K/day.

These suggestions can at least keep you going while the supply builds up again. I know you've already turned off a lot of fort building. I also had to do this at various points. I look at supply levels every day, and i'm not in nearly as extreme a scenario.

Yes guys, I do think that, even if maybe a little bit extreme in this Mod, Japan SHOULD suffer, economically speaking, late in the war. Supplies are going to be scarce and so will be oil and fuel. Just like in RL. It's part of the game, part of the equation and part of the fun playing the bad guys.
I won't ask Brad anything about that. Japan, given its economical structure, even if better led than in RL (am I really leading it better than my RL counterparts? not so sure...), should not be able to keep on feeding an Empire so big in 1944. Plain and simple.

At the same time Pax is very right. I didn't think of all the supplies i'm spending repairing factories and replacing squads. It's possibly the only sector where I simply didn't look deep enough. Thank you!

Will try to turn off something... not that easy but I will try. Let's see how things change.


Speaking about my RL counterparts... yesterday night I had some problems sleeping (love problems, you know [:o]) and I read few pages of Fire in the Sky... then a read a sentence that enlighted me... in Jan 1944 the japs were still fighting from Rabaul...which remained, throughout the whole 1943 an active base...
By Jan 1944 I had already lost the whole Solomons, Papua-NG, got Timor surrounded and the allies with a foothold in the Mollucces... am I really doing better than RL? Not that much, at least speaking about my dominions... the allies are much closer to HI and to the PI than they were, in feb 1944, in RL...

[GreyJoy]

Tomorrow I foresee another air operation against Roti and Biak... if i'm not mistake, Brad is gonna find there some decent opposition!

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Speaking about my RL counterparts... yesterday night I had some problems sleeping (love problems, you know [:o]) and I read few pages of Fire in the Sky... then a read a sentence that enlighted me... in Jan 1944 the japs were still fighting from Rabaul...which remained, throughout the whole 1943 an active base...
By Jan 1944 I had already lost the whole Solomons, Papua-NG, got Timor surrounded and the allies with a foothold in the Mollucces... am I really doing better than RL? Not that much, at least speaking about my dominions... the allies are much closer to HI and to the PI than they were, in feb 1944, in RL...

I hope your lady issues resolve soon and you can go back to losing sleep for other more positive reasons. [;)]

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Speaking about my RL counterparts... yesterday night I had some problems sleeping (love problems, you know [:o]) and I read few pages of Fire in the Sky... then a read a sentence that enlighted me... in Jan 1944 the japs were still fighting from Rabaul...which remained, throughout the whole 1943 an active base...
By Jan 1944 I had already lost the whole Solomons, Papua-NG, got Timor surrounded and the allies with a foothold in the Mollucces... am I really doing better than RL? Not that much, at least speaking about my dominions... the allies are much closer to HI and to the PI than they were, in feb 1944, in RL...

I hope your lady issues resolve soon and you can go back to losing sleep for other more positive reasons. [;)]

I hope so... but this morning, for example, it's a constant exchange of whatsup messages...not very pleasant!

Sometimes I wish I preferred the carrot rather than the potatoe [:D]...life would be much easier

[JocMeister]

Sorry to hear about the GF problems. Hope it works out!

Don´t lose any sleep over the game though. You are doing extremely well and you have now kept Bran in almost the same place for what now? 4-6 months? Quite a achievement! [:)]

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Sorry to hear about the GF problems. Hope it works out!

Don´t lose any sleep over the game though. You are doing extremely well and you have now kept Bran in almost the same place for what now? 4-6 months? Quite a achievement! [:)]

I'm happy about my achievements so far. My consideration was concerning what happened in RL... in game terms, even if Japan hasn't had any Midway and has won (or at least not lost) all the major naval and air engagements of the war, the allies are advancing far more fast than in RL.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Sorry to hear about the GF problems. Hope it works out!

Don´t lose any sleep over the game though. You are doing extremely well and you have now kept Bran in almost the same place for what now? 4-6 months? Quite a achievement! [:)]

I'm happy about my achievements so far. My consideration was concerning what happened in RL... in game terms, even if Japan hasn't had any Midway and has won (or at least not lost) all the major naval and air engagements of the war, the allies are advancing far more fast than in RL.

That faster pace is possible in game where it wasn't as much in the war. Plus Nimitz and others were a bit more risk averse than most Allied players. Losing ships meant losing men. Look at how many ships were lost in 44-45. Not many. It's amazing they achieved what they did with so few big defeats on the way.

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
Sometimes I wish I preferred the carrot rather than the potatoe [:D]...life would be much easier

Is this an Italian idiom? What does this mean?!?[:D]

[GreyJoy]

mmm...let's see how can I explain it... no, it's not an idiom... but I thought that language would be "international" [:D]

Ok, let's say 99,9% of this forum members have carrots... and the 0,1% have potatoes![:D]

Just imagine how sweet would be life if you could eat a salad of carrots playing witp instead of a Salzkartoffeln watching Gray's Anatomy [;)]

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

mmm...let's see how can I explain it... no, it's not an idiom... but I thought that language would be "international" [:D]

Ok, let's say 99,9% of this forum members have carrots... and the 0,1% have potatoes![:D]

Just imagine how sweet would be life if you could eat a salad of carrots playing witp instead of a Salzkartoffeln watching Gray's Anatomy [;)]

Ha! [:D]

I think I know what you mean now!

If this is the same lady I met, though, I'd say her Salzkartoffeln might be worth it! [:)]

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: obvert

That faster pace is possible in game where it wasn't as much in the war. Plus Nimitz and others were a bit more risk averse than most Allied players. Losing ships meant losing men. Look at how many ships were lost in 44-45. Not many. It's amazing they achieved what they did with so few big defeats on the way.

Keep in mind also that in the war Japanese airpower and most naval power were shot in 44-45. I´m sure I wouldn´t lose many ships in 44-45 if you were flying 15-30 EXP pilots. [:)]

I don´t think its a far stretch to assume allied losses would have been significantly higher if the Japanese possessed the same pilot quality in 44-45 as they did in 42.