The Burma Road

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

No, that is the one.[:)]

Post #2 is from Kereguelen, a dev (for newbies who might not know). There were other threads from Andrew Brown but they were much older and dealt more with why Ledo was not coded to be an endpoint. Some other good threads involved michaelm but his posts were not as succinct ie one had to read several posts of his to get the full picture as he was responding to particular alleged "bugs". I don't have the search list now before me but IIRC, Andy Mac also chimed in.

Whilst Kereguelen's post was given in a slightly different context and probably why you thought I had given the wrong link, what he said succinctly applies 100% to this thread's OP. All the devs identified in the preceding paragraph covered the same points made by Kereguelen's succinct post, It is just a good example why searching the forum usually takes me more than 5 seconds.[:)]

Alfred

Blackhorse, I think you meant, who is the dev with the clear summary of the road in post #2.

[crsutton]

Somehow I knew all of this....

But thanks Alfred.

As a side to this. If the Allied player takes Ramree Island and does not own Rangoon but owns a chain of interior bases with an open line to China. Supply will flow into Burma from Ramree and up the road into China. The only difference is that you do not get the 500 "free" supply points per day. But you can push supply to Ramree and I assure you it will move into Burma and China. God bless the LST.

[Feltan]

ORIGINAL: crsutton

Somehow I knew all of this....

But thanks Alfred.

As a side to this. If the Allied player takes Ramree Island and does not own Rangoon but owns a chain of interior bases with an open line to China. Supply will flow into Burma from Ramree and up the road into China. The only difference is that you do not get the 500 "free" supply points per day. But you can push supply to Ramree and I assure you it will move into Burma and China. God bless the LST.

That is a zero level port without a road connection -- wouldn't Akyab work better? At least that is a real base and only three hexes north.

Regards,
Feltan

[Yaab]

Thread resurrection.

What exactly do the Burma Road's supplies (500 per day in Tsuyung) represent?

Is it:
-Burma-made supplies earmarked for China
-pre-war stockpile of British/USA supplies brought by ships
-supplies from India brought by abstracted small ships (invisible in game)

As it is now, the Allied player does not need to send British or USA supplies directly to Rangoon via ships to boost the Chinese. As long as he defends the Burma Road, the 500 daily supplies are magically created in Tsuyung. This equals to 15,000 supplies monthly, an equivalent of a convoy of four middle-sized xAKs. The only way the Japs can interdict this flow is to occupy the Burma Road bases on land. So if you somehow forestall the Jap invasion at Moulmein/Sittang Bridge for the entire war, then the supplies will appear in China without any ship coming to Rangoon for the whole war. That is a huge boon for the Allies.

[RangerJoe]

By sending even more supplies to Rangoon or anywhere in Burma, then more supplies can migrate to China using the normal supply movements. You can boost this with your supply settings as well.

[Sardaukar]

Indeed.

You can get way more supplies to China by supplying Rangoon a lot. It can be difficult though...those damn Betties...

[Ian R]

ORIGINAL: Yaab

Thread resurrection.

What exactly do the Burma Road's supplies (500 per day in Tsuyung) represent?

Is it:
-Burma-made supplies earmarked for China
-pre-war stockpile of British/USA supplies brought by ships
-supplies from India brought by abstracted small ships (invisible in game)

As it is now, the Allied player does not need to send British or USA supplies directly to Rangoon via ships to boost the Chinese. As long as he defends the Burma Road, the 500 daily supplies are magically created in Tsuyung. This equals to 15,000 supplies monthly, an equivalent of a convoy of four middle-sized xAKs. The only way the Japs can interdict this flow is to occupy the Burma Road bases on land. So if you somehow forestall the Jap invasion at Moulmein/Sittang Bridge for the entire war, then the supplies will appear in China without any ship coming to Rangoon for the whole war. That is a huge boon for the Allies.

It's not like the Japanese being able to produce 4,000 + carrier planes per annum, and develop the B7A in 1943. That being a fantasy land game balancer. The Burma road being open is good for the Chinese economy. Maybe it represents precision machine tools, or medical supplies or something similar trickling in. Maybe it's the US sending bright young fellows from Detroit (or maybe Sears & Roebuck) to reorganise local industry.

Maybe a developer will answer your question, but after 12 years I wouldn't be confident about that.

[Ian R]

ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

Indeed.

You can get way more supplies to China by supplying Rangoon a lot. It can be difficult though...those damn Betties...

Yes indeed. In 1944, after Malaya and Vietnam have been liberated, 50 ship supply convoys from Aden and Capetown direct to Rangoon do wonders for the China Front.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Ian R

ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

Indeed.

You can get way more supplies to China by supplying Rangoon a lot. It can be difficult though...those damn Betties...

Yes indeed. In 1944, after Malaya and Vietnam have been liberated, 50 ship supply convoys from Aden and Capetown direct to Rangoon do wonders for the China Front.

How about 50 ship convoys going to Hong Kong in the summer of 1942 which unload supplies for Nationalist China? [:D]

Maybe the next ones should go to Shanghai? I probably should capture Formosa first . . . [8|]

[Ian R]

Even better. Actually, they flow pretty well from Saigon - rail and road to Changsha and beyond.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Ian R

Even better. Actually, they flow pretty well from Saigon - rail and road to Changsha and beyond.

Not if you don't have Saigon. But when you have Canton in March then Hong Kong in April/May . . . [:D]

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: Ian R

ORIGINAL: Yaab

Thread resurrection.

What exactly do the Burma Road's supplies (500 per day in Tsuyung) represent?

Is it:
-Burma-made supplies earmarked for China
-pre-war stockpile of British/USA supplies brought by ships
-supplies from India brought by abstracted small ships (invisible in game)

As it is now, the Allied player does not need to send British or USA supplies directly to Rangoon via ships to boost the Chinese. As long as he defends the Burma Road, the 500 daily supplies are magically created in Tsuyung. This equals to 15,000 supplies monthly, an equivalent of a convoy of four middle-sized xAKs. The only way the Japs can interdict this flow is to occupy the Burma Road bases on land. So if you somehow forestall the Jap invasion at Moulmein/Sittang Bridge for the entire war, then the supplies will appear in China without any ship coming to Rangoon for the whole war. That is a huge boon for the Allies.

It's not like the Japanese being able to produce 4,000 + carrier planes per annum, and develop the B7A in 1943. That being a fantasy land game balancer. The Burma road being open is good for the Chinese economy. Maybe it represents precision machine tools, or medical supplies or something similar trickling in. Maybe it's the US sending bright young fellows from Detroit (or maybe Sears & Roebuck) to reorganise local industry.

Maybe a developer will answer your question, but after 12 years I wouldn't be confident about that.

I took the 500 per day free supply to be the civilian economy in which Burma would likely have provided food and fuel to China. That does not require any contact with Allied forces to accomplish. Medical supplies and machinery would have required shipping to bring to Burma.

At any rate, the 500 supply a day bonus creates a powerful impetus for the Allied side to try and keep the Burma road open and the Japanese side to try and cut it. A game shaping tool.