Pricing Suggestion

[gexmex]

I may be falling into your category as well. Bill Me Later is a dangerous thing....but as they say, it's easier to apologize than to ask for permission!

[quote]ORIGINAL: Blighty56

I am more and more tempted the more I read. Now a seat for counselling how can I not turn you down.[:)]


I will need to do it when she isn't standing over my shoulder....
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[Wiz33]

Why is this thread still open?

If you think the price is set too high. You are wrong. Matrix have been in this business for a long time and I think they have the sales data to support their pricing structure or they would be out of business a long time ago.

If it's more than you can afford now. Save some money and get it later. Maybe you'll get lucky and there would be a sale or coupon.

If you can afford it and are on the fence. Wait a bit and watch some of the videos and read some of the AAR and reviews. Then make your decision.

Discussion closed.

[smudge56]

You make a good point deception first then apologise when caught...

obviously the post before doesn't understand the trouble and strife. ?...[:D]

ORIGINAL: gexmex

I may be falling into your category as well. Bill Me Later is a dangerous thing....but as they say, it's easier to apologize than to ask for permission!

ORIGINAL: Blighty56

I am more and more tempted the more I read. Now a seat for counselling how can I not turn you down.[:)]


I will need to do it when she isn't standing over my shoulder....

[Aurelian]

ORIGINAL: Pii

So who wastes money on a bad game? Would you buy say, the Amiga version of SSI's Gettysburg? Pay $50 or $10, won't change the fact that the 2nd day scenario is unplayable.

WTF LOL ? Well to start with I'm sure EVERYONE of us has wasted money on a bad game and since I retired my Amiga years ago no I wouldn't and that the stupidest example I've ever heard. But I have bought many games I would not have on Steam if they hadn't had a sale and at a certain point I've even bought games other had claimed were bad.

What about Braveheart? That was a freakin bad game I paid full price for. Buying it for say 1/3 the price isn't going to change that.

Face palm! LOL It may not change it for you since you already bought it but it does for those that didn't.

Why is it a bad example. According to you, lower the price and it will sell. Guess not eh.

A bad game is a bad game. Decreasing the price isn't going to make it any better. Even at $1.99 it's a waste of time and money.

My copy of Braveheart, and Tiller's Jutland, did a great service at the rifle range.

1943 Mosin-Nagant $100.

7.62x54r cartridge .50cents

Making sure those games never bothered anyone again, priceless.

[Alejo1968]

ORIGINAL: Blighty56

ORIGINAL: Titanwarrior89

The game does have a high cost.....but has anyone looked at Battlefront prices.  Their not cheap.  The way I see it, Matrix has ever right to charge what they want for their product(their not the gas company/electric).  If you can afford it excellent, but if the game is out of your price range-then you can't buy it, period.  Just like a lower to a higher grade auto.  After reading the thread some seem to indicate that they are entitled to this game no matter what the cost.  I for one drive a low end car, why, I can't afford a higher price car.  We don't bash them.  I just don't buy the car.

So you might want to give them a break.  I think some are upset because they want the game but can't afford it and their getting personal.  I bought the game(and I am far from rich)but if I didn't have the money....I would just moved along.

Note: If my wife knew she would kill me! I'll admit it, I'am a game Whore. I need counseling.[:D][X(]

See there are many of us who are going to be killed by our wives. If there is an increase of murders you'll know why[:)]

Right now, I can see her innocent eyes, still ignoring what Im about to do ...

[Titanwarrior89]

Blame it on Blighty! I'll pull up another chair for the group.[&o][:(][:D]

ORIGINAL: Abbeville_01

ORIGINAL: Blighty56

ORIGINAL: Titanwarrior89

The game does have a high cost.....but has anyone looked at Battlefront prices.  Their not cheap.  The way I see it, Matrix has ever right to charge what they want for their product(their not the gas company/electric).  If you can afford it excellent, but if the game is out of your price range-then you can't buy it, period.  Just like a lower to a higher grade auto.  After reading the thread some seem to indicate that they are entitled to this game no matter what the cost.  I for one drive a low end car, why, I can't afford a higher price car.  We don't bash them.  I just don't buy the car.

So you might want to give them a break.  I think some are upset because they want the game but can't afford it and their getting personal.  I bought the game(and I am far from rich)but if I didn't have the money....I would just moved along.

Note: If my wife knew she would kill me! I'll admit it, I'am a game Whore. I need counseling.[:D][X(]

See there are many of us who are going to be killed by our wives. If there is an increase of murders you'll know why[:)]

Right now, I can see her innocent eyes, still ignoring what Im about to do ...

[smudge56]

Where do you live so we can prepare the police of a potential murder...

ORIGINAL: Abbeville_01

ORIGINAL: Blighty56

ORIGINAL: Titanwarrior89

The game does have a high cost.....but has anyone looked at Battlefront prices.  Their not cheap.  The way I see it, Matrix has ever right to charge what they want for their product(their not the gas company/electric).  If you can afford it excellent, but if the game is out of your price range-then you can't buy it, period.  Just like a lower to a higher grade auto.  After reading the thread some seem to indicate that they are entitled to this game no matter what the cost.  I for one drive a low end car, why, I can't afford a higher price car.  We don't bash them.  I just don't buy the car.

So you might want to give them a break.  I think some are upset because they want the game but can't afford it and their getting personal.  I bought the game(and I am far from rich)but if I didn't have the money....I would just moved along.

Note: If my wife knew she would kill me! I'll admit it, I'am a game Whore. I need counseling.[:D][X(]

See there are many of us who are going to be killed by our wives. If there is an increase of murders you'll know why[:)]

Right now, I can see her innocent eyes, still ignoring what Im about to do ...

[Hexagon]

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

ORIGINAL: Pii

So who wastes money on a bad game? Would you buy say, the Amiga version of SSI's Gettysburg? Pay $50 or $10, won't change the fact that the 2nd day scenario is unplayable.

WTF LOL ? Well to start with I'm sure EVERYONE of us has wasted money on a bad game and since I retired my Amiga years ago no I wouldn't and that the stupidest example I've ever heard. But I have bought many games I would not have on Steam if they hadn't had a sale and at a certain point I've even bought games other had claimed were bad.

What about Braveheart? That was a freakin bad game I paid full price for. Buying it for say 1/3 the price isn't going to change that.

Face palm! LOL It may not change it for you since you already bought it but it does for those that didn't.

Why is it a bad example. According to you, lower the price and it will sell. Guess not eh.

A bad game is a bad game. Decreasing the price isn't going to make it any better. Even at $1.99 it's a waste of time and money.

My copy of Braveheart, and Tiller's Jutland, did a great service at the rifle range.

1943 Mosin-Nagant $100.

7.62x54r cartridge .50cents

Making sure those games never bothered anyone again, priceless.

I recomend you "Steam and Iron" is more a naval game than a target for a bolt rifle [:D] and you can add a campaign module (Baltic campaign and North Sea Campaign) ooo and they are working in a RJW title.

[Titanwarrior89]

But my wife would get all my games. Her next husband would have them(her cousin-I live in Arkansas).[:(]

ORIGINAL: Blighty56

Where do you live so we can prepare the police of a potential murder...

ORIGINAL: Abbeville_01

ORIGINAL: Blighty56




See there are many of us who are going to be killed by our wives. If there is an increase of murders you'll know why[:)]

Right now, I can see her innocent eyes, still ignoring what Im about to do ...

[Aurelian]

ORIGINAL: Hexagon

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

ORIGINAL: Pii






WTF LOL ? Well to start with I'm sure EVERYONE of us has wasted money on a bad game and since I retired my Amiga years ago no I wouldn't and that the stupidest example I've ever heard. But I have bought many games I would not have on Steam if they hadn't had a sale and at a certain point I've even bought games other had claimed were bad.



Face palm! LOL It may not change it for you since you already bought it but it does for those that didn't.

Why is it a bad example. According to you, lower the price and it will sell. Guess not eh.

A bad game is a bad game. Decreasing the price isn't going to make it any better. Even at $1.99 it's a waste of time and money.

My copy of Braveheart, and Tiller's Jutland, did a great service at the rifle range.

1943 Mosin-Nagant $100.

7.62x54r cartridge .50cents

Making sure those games never bothered anyone again, priceless.

I recomend you "Steam and Iron" is more a naval game than a target for a bolt rifle [:D] and you can add a campaign module (Baltic campaign and North Sea Campaign) ooo and they are working in a RJW title.

SAI is on the buy list. Reminds me of Action Stations. Which I played for a long time. (Still do at times.)

[Floyd]

If the price for a war game is about 40 Euro anyway, then i'm glad to
pay 80-100 for a decent simulation that i'm sure will give me years of excellent game
play. I've purchased several titles from Matrix and i believe they did take the right
decisions over the last years to stay in business.

Having to pay 40 Euro plus 10 for each of the next 4++ years to come is pretty cheap [:'(]

[EUBanana]

ORIGINAL: flanyboy
I was listening to a podcast with the marketing director from GOG.com a few days back and they were debating the merits of steam and the LONG TERM viability of such a sales model.

The guy from gog.com is always slamming Steam, probably because it's his main competitor... it's not like gog.com is exactly expensive either.

[smudge56]

You make a good point the she would have to kil them. Serial killer now.

ORIGINAL: Titanwarrior89

But my wife would get all my games. Her next husband would have them(her cousin-I live in Arkansas).[:(]

ORIGINAL: Blighty56

Where do you live so we can prepare the police of a potential murder...

ORIGINAL: Abbeville_01




Right now, I can see her innocent eyes, still ignoring what Im about to do ...

[smudge56]

I'm going to wait until she is asleep in a bit then do it lol.

[JDM]

Tomn you seem like a particularly inciteful chap, particularly well informed about business practices. In the context of this thread I would be interested on your take on this article http://www.polygon.com/2013/8/15/462225 ... ort-groups

[JRyan]

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

7.62x54r cartridge .50cents

Making sure those games never bothered anyone again, priceless.

50 Cents! What they are $89 per 400 at the sportsman's guide...don't ask me how I know this.

[JDM]

ORIGINAL: Tomn

ORIGINAL: wombat778

For the folks that disagree with Matrix's business model and that strongly believe there is a great untapped wargamer market out there, it seems like the right capitalistic answer is to start up a competing business. Pull together a business plan, a pitch, and some funds/investors. Then, go out and find some new wargamer developers and sell them on your business plan. If the developers agree with your ideas for a low price/mass audience business model, it shouldn't be impossible to convince them to sign with you (particularly if you are willing to provide them with development funding). Seriously, people create start-up businesses all the time, and it really isn't that hard to do if you are willing to take a risk with your time and money.

This is true, but not all of us here are exactly in a position to drop everything and go full-time into a start-up. Particularly since one would argue that it'd be easier to self-publish a wargame as a dev through crowdfunding first, and then try to go into publishing with some credentials behind you. Not everyone who sees a problem is in a position to do something about it directly.

That said, I will certainly be keeping an eye out on Kickstarter for any promising candidates, and I encourage everyone here to do the same. Thanks to crowdfunding, one is no longer required to risk everything to put your money where your mouth is.

HI Again Tomn I realise that you are not in a position to drop everything and leap into a start up. It's not any easy route. I started my first start up some 45 years ago, had to mortgage the family home to do it, so I really do get your point. Matter of fact what do you do for a living, you're obviously a pretty knowledgable business type, so I cannot help but ponder?
On the startup/kickstarter issue or developers trying to go it alone, what is your assessment of what went wrong here. http://tinyurl.com/qhw276u And see this one as well.
http://flippfly.com/news/race-the-sun-a ... ing-steam/ Personally I think they are both credible games. The sadness is that I am seeing a spate of such situations and would you believe that presently I have 6 developers in my in box who would like to place their games with us. Two of these tried to make it on their own and are on their last legs. Our problem is that we are not a distributor and we can't just drop their games onto our site as per the Steam or GOG business models, but I expect you know the difference. AS I am sure you are aware our business model means that we will have to work with these games and support the development teams for up to the next 12 months or so. I am really interested in your take here and wonder how you might play it?




Personally I think

[Maesphil74]

ORIGINAL: JDM

ORIGINAL: Tomn

ORIGINAL: wombat778

For the folks that disagree with Matrix's business model and that strongly believe there is a great untapped wargamer market out there, it seems like the right capitalistic answer is to start up a competing business. Pull together a business plan, a pitch, and some funds/investors. Then, go out and find some new wargamer developers and sell them on your business plan. If the developers agree with your ideas for a low price/mass audience business model, it shouldn't be impossible to convince them to sign with you (particularly if you are willing to provide them with development funding). Seriously, people create start-up businesses all the time, and it really isn't that hard to do if you are willing to take a risk with your time and money.

This is true, but not all of us here are exactly in a position to drop everything and go full-time into a start-up. Particularly since one would argue that it'd be easier to self-publish a wargame as a dev through crowdfunding first, and then try to go into publishing with some credentials behind you. Not everyone who sees a problem is in a position to do something about it directly.

That said, I will certainly be keeping an eye out on Kickstarter for any promising candidates, and I encourage everyone here to do the same. Thanks to crowdfunding, one is no longer required to risk everything to put your money where your mouth is.

HI Again Tomn I realise that you are not in a position to drop everything and leap into a start up. It's not any easy route. I started my first start up some 45 years ago, had to mortgage the family home to do it, so I really do get your point. Matter of fact what do you do for a living, you're obviously a pretty knowledgable business type, so I cannot help but ponder?
On the startup/kickstarter issue or developers trying to go it alone, what is your assessment of what went wrong here. http://tinyurl.com/qhw276u And see this one as well.
http://flippfly.com/news/race-the-sun-a ... ing-steam/ Personally I think they are both credible games. The sadness is that I am seeing a spate of such situations and would you believe that presently I have 6 developers in my in box who would like to place their games with us. Two of these tried to make it on their own and are on their last legs. Our problem is that we are not a distributor and we can't just drop their games onto our site as per the Steam or GOG business models, but I expect you know the difference. AS I am sure you are aware our business model means that we will have to work with these games and support the development teams for up to the next 12 months or so. I am really interested in your take here and wonder how you might play it?




Personally I think

You do realise that one of those links is suggesting to lower the price i/o to increase sales volumes? [:D]

[Tomn]

ORIGINAL: JDM

Tomn you seem like a particularly inciteful chap, particularly well informed about business practices. In the context of this thread I would be interested on your take on this article http://www.polygon.com/2013/8/15/462225 ... ort-groups

I believe I can say without any of my usual reservation that everyone here will heartily condemn anyone who thinks it'd be a good idea to send death threats to Matrix Games or the devs. Just not on, that.

That said, I don't really think I see how this article applies to this thread (or to me, if you'd been intending to do that). The article seems to state that verbal and emotional violence by fans as a method of persuasion is becoming increasingly and disturbingly common in the gaming industry. Death threats, threats of physical violence, racist/sexist/homophobic slurs - well, we've seen that commonly enough on XBox Live, I think, and a sad thing that is. Yet nobody here has been doing any of that - we have been disagreeing with a decision that was made, certainly, but the most that could be said to be aggressive is a conspiracy theory (refreshingly free of death threats, unlike some conspiracy nutters I could name) and some disgruntled muttering. The article is not, to my reading, condemning persuasion or debate - it is, rather, condemning violence. So long as we avoid resorting to slurs and violence, putting forth every point we make as reasonably and as clearly as we can (preferably without trying to start any fights along the way), I have to say I don't see the sin in argument.

It's worth considering, too, that the article is condemning violence against game devs - but on both sides of the debate here this thread has been nothing but supportive regarding the devs. The disagreement is purely over a financial publishing decision, and many of those arguing against the status quo are arguing that a change would in fact benefit the devs. I will grant that those who make the financial decisions might be discouraged to see such disagreement, but to be blunt, such decisions would surely have been argued and debated internally, and it seems silly to suggest that such internal disagreements constitute harassment, as they surely must be if our current debate is such.

I hope that was sufficiently insightful to meet with your standards?

[JDM]

I certainly do, the strategy of desperation I'm afraid. In any event it has not helped. What next I wonder