Carrier ran out of AMRAAMs

[RadishRabbit]

makes all the loadouts unavailable including AG missions.

Can carrier magazine be replenished?

[Primarchx]

It can if there's a replenishment ship nearby with the right stores. What scenario?

[Maromak]

Probably Operation Bass Drum [:D]

After playing the most recent version though, I haven't needed many AMRAAMs so far. On the first version I ran out completely with around 1/3 of the time remaining!

[RadishRabbit]

Yea, Bass Drum.

There's a supply ship in the carrier group, how do i go about replenish the AMRAAMs?

[Maromak]

From memory the resupply ship doesn't carry any extra -120s but if you wanted to try, right-click on the ship that needs to be resupplied. Then select UNREP (if possible). If the ship to be resupplied is part of a formation/group, you'll need to hit '9' on the numberpad to switch from group view to unit view.

[JRyan]

Yeah I just played a quickie and the AMRAAM's seem better. I ran out also. The one that got me was Tee Up, that one caught me off guard as I ran out of torps. Sneaky move by scen designer .

[Primarchx]

The number of AMRAAMs in Brass Drums is a constraint the player has to deal with. There aren't any AMRAAMs on the AOE, either. There's a reason that one is listed as being difficult. [8D]

[RadishRabbit]

it's a shame, because i have plenty of AG munitions that I can't load

[Rob322]

I kind of like this. It's realistic and it forces players to think about how they allocate ammo. One thing that drove me up the wall with Harpoon was the unlimited ammo at all airfields ans CVs. My friends and I were capable of dealing with this with pen and paper Harpoon and always wondered why the classic computer game couldn't

[Maromak]

ORIGINAL: RadishRabbit

it's a shame, because i have plenty of AG munitions that I can't load

In order to get your hands on some more AMRAAMs you could try setting aircraft on the same platform to 'Reserve' or 'Ferry' so that the AMRAAMs on these aircraft will be returned to the munitions pool and become available for other aircraft.

[Primarchx]

There are also several "1-AMRAAM" strike loads available.

[NefariousKoel]

ORIGINAL: RadishRabbit

it's a shame, because i have plenty of AG munitions that I can't load

So.. all the loadouts for that aircraft require AIM-120s in order to load them?

I'd consider this a serious game engine limitation if you have aircraft and plenty of AtG ordnance that you can't load because there is no AtA missiles left.

[thewood1]

I think H3 and HC both had this limitation. It was usually overcome by having a huge number of loadouts that mixed and match weapons to avoid that issue. I don't know if it was corrected later.

[RoryAndersonCDT]

ORIGINAL: thewood1

I think H3 and HC both had this limitation. It was usually overcome by having a huge number of loadouts that mixed and match weapons to avoid that issue. I don't know if it was corrected later.

I think I've seen aircraft launched short of AIM-120 with a full strike load. My next live stream (on Saturday) will focus on Carrier operations; including logistics.

[thewood1]

Playing around with it, it seems this limitation exists. I removed all sidewinders from carrier magazine and I could not use most of the F-14 loadouts at all. Any loadout that required a sidewinder was not allowed.

[Primarchx]

The trouble is that short of having a pylon-by-pylon loading system or having 1000 different load permutations per aircraft, you have to draw the line somewhere. In OBD the player is told up front that they have all the ord they can get. From that point on it's up to them to manage it. When I finished playing the final version of the scenario I had over 75 AMRAAMs remaining. Believe me, it can be done.

[NefariousKoel]

Surely there's a better way. I mean .. this is a new program, built from the bottom-up. I had hoped that such limitations of the old Harpoon game engine wouldn't migrate to CMANO. [:(]

[Wiz33]

I view this not as a limitation but a bug that need to be fixed. I don't care if you can actually do this scenario without running out of AMRAAM. That's not the point. The point is that you should still be able to have AG loadout without needing AMRAAM. Either fix it or make AG loadout with no ATA missile requirement available.

[Jakob Wedman]

Thanks. I've added this to the bug track system.

[Primarchx]

In my opinion the point is the player needs to track their resources and play within the limits established by the game and scenario.

I suppose something like a "limited AAM" flag could be included, but frankly there's a reason those self-defense AAMs are on strike loadouts. Air forces are pretty conservative when it comes to mission safety and getting their birds home in one piece.

ORIGINAL: Wiz33

I view this not as a limitation but a bug that need to be fixed. I don't care if you can actually do this scenario without running out of AMRAAM. That's not the point. The point is that you should still be able to have AG loadout without needing AMRAAM. Either fix it or make AG loadout with no ATA missile requirement available.