Matrix Games products are now available at these retail stores

max_h · Post by **max_h** » Thu Jan 09, 2003 12:36 am

sorry, if thats the wrong place to post...
but what`s the best place to order Matrixgames in Germany? (I don`t want to pay 35$ poastal fees only)

Slick91 · Post by **Slick91** » Thu Jan 09, 2003 7:58 pm

(copied from prior post)

I was looking at the EB Games web site (www.ebgames.com) and it appears they have completely removed Uncommon Valor from its web site!

The only Matrix game available to order is Starships Unlimited.

Did something happen to cause its removal?

Marc von Martial · Post by **Marc von Martial** » Thu Jan 09, 2003 8:55 pm

Originally posted by max_h
sorry, if thats the wrong place to post...
but what`s the best place to order Matrixgames in Germany? (I don`t want to pay 35$ poastal fees only)

Try one of our European retailers. Go to the stor locator and click the list all dealers button.

Cheers, Marc

max_h · Post by **max_h** » Fri Jan 17, 2003 11:39 pm

Originally posted by Marc Schwanebeck
Try one of our European retailers. Go to the stor locator and click the list all dealers button.

Cheers, Marc

thanks

Michbe · Post by **Michbe** » Sun Jan 19, 2003 4:01 pm

is it out already ?

in the stores in my country you cant find it...

http://www.kingsofchaos.com/page.php?id=11654

Slick91 · Post by **Slick91** » Sat Feb 01, 2003 12:12 am

It's January 30th and EB Game World has yet to put Uncommon Valor back on their web site.

I just thought the Marketing Department might want to know that.

Karnaaj · Post by **Karnaaj** » Sat Feb 08, 2003 9:32 am

EB & Babbages here in Spokane, Washington have UV on the shelves; didn't think to look for the other game. Chips & Bits still has SP:WAW MegaCampaign Lost Victories, as I ordered and recieved my copy just this past week. <G> Gotta wait for Battlefront to restock CMBB, and all the "buy now" copies of Close Combat 5 were gone from Ebay when I had the buckage handy <sigh>... did get Star Trek: Bridge Commander and Operation Flashpoint: Resistance, tho, along with a big wad of DVDs.

So much for the tax-return...

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 10:31 pm

Just wandering around eh, and saw the comment about the 89 dollar manual.

89 bucks, heck US funds too I expect.

I would neeeeeeeever give someone 89 bucks for anything in print, let alone a computer wargame manual.

I call it a burden when I invest 50-60 bucks (and that's Canadian) for an actual real book (you know the sort where reading it is the whole point).

I asked for a replacement copy of a lost woodworking manual for my birthday this year from my mom. Collins Woodworking Handbook. Perhaps the best woodworking manual I have ever seen in my whole woodworking life.
The book was approx 60 bucks hardcover and had expensive top quality binding.

Now to assume a wargame manual can top that, and by nearly twice the price, and for some garbage at a Kinkos? Lousy colour copies with maybe even a pathetic plastic binding?

No there is no way I would ever indulge that incredible lunacy.
It would cost me less to buy a brand new ink cartridge for my printer and the paper to do it all myself right here at home.

brent_2 · Post by **brent_2** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 12:02 am

Les - unfortunately if the person at the counter at Kinkos does not know what they are doing when they price up your order you can get hosed pretty badly.

I have had problems with them printing out large (24"x36") architectural drawings, and then making copies, and charging me the same price for all the copies as the print-out (a 10x pricing mistake

) or trying to charge me the 'poster' rate for black and white bond copies.

They have been pretty good at fixing the mistake though.

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 12:31 am

Hmmm priniting out a game manual and asking me for more than 5 bucks would get me laughing at them though.

brent_2 · Post by **brent_2** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 12:47 am

why?

a new novel will run you $15-20.00 and thats just b&w guts on little better than newsprint with a color dustjacket.

the UV manual, for ex, has color illustrations throughout - drives up the printing cost. I am used to paying $40-60.00 for a decent softcover architectural book anymore. the higher ranges cover the nicer paper and more photographs, the lower a less illustrated book, or just more words than pictures. For a coffee table hardcover...$120.00 is not out of the ordinary. Of course they are beautiful books to have though.

$89.00 is too much, but I think that was Kinko's mistake, not the going price for a Matrix Manual hardcopy.

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 2:29 am

Well I will grant you there are certain minimums.

But to say there was colour art, fancy printing? Nope.

My woodworking book has fancy paper, top of the line binding, color on each and every page, and wonderful illustrations all the way through.
It's also a woodworking manual, and they are known for low print runs, so it suffers from niche market influences.

Given a choice of a pdf manual which I can get printed on under my own terms (by that I mean someone I know that can do it at an office), or just accept I have to cut and paste out sections that I actually need hard copies of (I have yet to see a manual where I needed more than 10% of the actual manual).

A choice of a fancy manual, or a second wargame, and no manuals for each, hey this isn't rocket science eh guys.

Marc von Martial · Post by **Marc von Martial** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 2:42 am

Les, get over it, it was a mistake of a Kinos employee not the standard price for an UV manual at Kinkos. We delt with the problem. You can look up the normal prices at our doccenter.

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 3:11 am

Yeah I do fly off the handle sometimes (hey I am only saying sometimes hehe:) ).

Looking at the prices listed, I can't get my head around how the person could mangle the order from under 10 bucks for any permutation They range from 3 bucks to just 7 bucks give or take a few cents.

How someone would not notice 89 bucks is a mystery.

I recently thought about having a local operation do a .pdf printout for me. The saleslady was unsure the owner had adobe software resident on their system.
The store does some fairly high end processing for some rather decent clients though.
I would find it odd they would be unable to read an adobe file on a cd and get a bland black and white print out of it.
But I have not needed the item enough to pursue it much.

But if the response came out like 10 dollars and up, I would instantly lose interest.

My vote is still firmly behind Matrix not wasting time and energy on producing manuals with their games. Not enough merit for the expense.

Marc von Martial · Post by **Marc von Martial** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 1:59 pm

I recently thought about having a local operation do a .pdf printout for me. The saleslady was unsure the owner had adobe software resident on their system.
The store does some fairly high end processing for some rather decent clients though.

PDF is the standard for pre press and electronic books and that not only since yesterday. If they can´t deal with PDF they ain´t worth much, or better, are no up to date. All printers I know of sent proofs in PDF and want or prefer PDFs from you as a copy to print of. PDF is accurate regarding formatting (unlike Office documents), interactive and cross plattform, that´s where it´s strenght is.

Synicism · Post by **Synicism** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 2:46 pm

Marc - I never did get a solution to the problem I was having with my local Kinko's for StarShip Unlimited. I entered all the info into the DocCenter including my Credit Card number. The order was never placed (I went to the store 3 - 4 days later).

You said you were going to look into it - this was over a month ago....

Marc von Martial · Post by **Marc von Martial** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 3:09 pm

Originally posted by Synicism
Marc - I never did get a solution to the problem I was having with my local Kinko's for StarShip Unlimited. I entered all the info into the DocCenter including my Credit Card number. The order was never placed (I went to the store 3 - 4 days later).

You said you were going to look into it - this was over a month ago....

I forward all the Kinkos hazzles to David Heath (the big boss), he deals with that then.

Did they charge your credit card ?

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 7:30 pm

Yes I was actually a bit surprised when the woman mentioned that about Adobe.
I was sort of taken off guard.

Considering Adobe Reader software is next to impossible to avoid.
If you have a computer and load almost any entertainment software, odds are you get asked if you want to install Reader.

Synicism · Post by **Synicism** » Sat Mar 08, 2003 1:10 am

Thanks for the reply.

They didn't charge my credit card. Just wondered that my credit card info went somewhere.

Also wanted you guys to be aware that the Kinko's where I live, don't seem to be working with the DocCenter system for some reason.

Matrix Games products are now available at these retail stores

UV no longer at EB Game World?

Jan 30th and not at EB Games!