The Hive - Cruft PBEM (Japan, Scen 2 Beta + Stacking Limits)

[Captain Cruft]

Sorry, I will post the combat report when I get home.

The Oscar jockies are all around 60 exp 70 air skill.

[Sangeli]

ORIGINAL: obvert
As for the escorts I've only seen that with the KB pilots. How good are your Oscar pilots? Also, did the AI send them as only escorts or did they sweep ahead of the bombers as some high exp pilots do occasionally in my game, even if they are set to escort?

I think with the escorts a lot of it has to do with the number of planes in CAP vs. number in escort duty. With the Allies I've managed to have success with P-40E's on escort getting 2-1 kill ratios on A6M2 Zeroes when I have sufficient numbers of them vs. CAP. On the other hand, in my current game I had a very recent battle where the KB groups made an ill advised attack on one of my airbases and got absolutely torn apart, escort fighters included, because I managed to field about as many fighters in CAP as he had in escort. IMO this makes sense because the purpose of escorting is to keep bombers safe and if there are a lot of fighter planes in opposition it makes that job much more difficult as you can't afford to aggressively pursue enemy fighters while adequately protecting the bombers in formation. Seeing as this of course is "The Swarm" I imagine Cruft is able to field Oscars in huge numbers for escort duty and thus able to overwhelm CAP.

Is Hainan part of the inner lines of defense you have? When are we finally going to see the massive battle of Kamikazes, carriers, and everything else you have. Also I'm curious what your fleet looks like in terms of ships, pilots, and planes. IIRC there haven't been any carrier battles but you have sunk some US CVs with Betties, correct?

[Captain Cruft]

Sweeps

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Morning Air attack on Samah , at 69,63

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 48 NM, estimated altitude 37,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M2 Jack x 59
N1K1-J George x 16

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M2 Jack: 2 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed

CAP engaged:
221 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 24000 , scrambling fighters between 24000 and 33000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
254 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 24000 , scrambling fighters between 34000 and 35000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
341 Ku S-1 with J2M2 Jack (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 7 minutes
341 Ku S-2 with J2M2 Jack (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 36000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
343 Ku S-1 with J2M2 Jack (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 27000 , scrambling fighters between 33000 and 37450.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes
343 Ku S-2 with J2M2 Jack (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 27000 , scrambling fighters between 32000 and 35000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes
345 Ku S-1 with J2M2 Jack (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 35000 and 37450.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes
345 Ku S-2 with J2M2 Jack (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 35000 and 37450.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes
S-306 Hikotai with J2M2 Jack (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 25000 and 37450.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Samah , at 69,63

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M2 Jack x 46
N1K1-J George x 14

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 43

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Spitfire VIII sweeping at 25000 feet
6 x Spitfire VIII sweeping at 25000 feet
11 x Spitfire VIII sweeping at 25000 feet

CAP engaged:
221 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 24000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 38000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
254 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 24000 , scrambling fighters to 35000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
341 Ku S-2 with J2M2 Jack (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 36000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
343 Ku S-1 with J2M2 Jack (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 27000 , scrambling fighters to 37450.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 13 minutes
343 Ku S-2 with J2M2 Jack (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 27000 , scrambling fighters between 34000 and 39000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes
345 Ku S-1 with J2M2 Jack (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 33960 and 37450.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes
345 Ku S-2 with J2M2 Jack (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 14000 and 33000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes
S-306 Hikotai with J2M2 Jack (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 35000 and 37000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes
341 Ku S-1 with J2M2 Jack (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Samah , at 69,63

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M2 Jack x 40
N1K1-J George x 12

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

CAP engaged:
221 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 24000 , scrambling fighters between 32490 and 35490.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
254 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 3 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 24000 , scrambling fighters between 30000 and 36000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
341 Ku S-2 with J2M2 Jack (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 2 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 26000 and 33000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes
343 Ku S-1 with J2M2 Jack (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 27000 , scrambling fighters between 33960 and 37450.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes
343 Ku S-2 with J2M2 Jack (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 3 scrambling)
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 27000 , scrambling fighters between 29000 and 35000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes
345 Ku S-1 with J2M2 Jack (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
345 Ku S-2 with J2M2 Jack (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 4 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 31000 and 37450.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes
S-306 Hikotai with J2M2 Jack (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 4 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 26000 and 37000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes
341 Ku S-1 with J2M2 Jack (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 32000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes

[Captain Cruft]

Oscars

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Morning Air attack on 50th Tank Brigade, at 72,56 , near Nanning

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 49
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 20
Ki-67-Ia Peggy x 5

Allied aircraft
P-40N5 Warhawk x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-48-IIa Lily: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40N5 Warhawk: 3 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Ki-67-Ia Peggy bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 3 x 250 kg GP Bomb
37 x Ki-43-IIIa Oscar sweeping at 12000 feet
15 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
33rd FG/58th FS with P-40N5 Warhawk (9 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
9 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 17000
Raid is overhead
33rd FG/59th FS with P-40N5 Warhawk (8 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 16000
Raid is overhead
33rd FG/60th FS with P-40N5 Warhawk (9 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
9 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 13000
Raid is overhead

Also attacking 20th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 50th Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 20th Indian Division ...


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Morning Air attack on 3rd Carabiniers Regiment, at 72,56 , near Nanning

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 49
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 18

Allied aircraft
P-40N5 Warhawk x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40N5 Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
15 x Ki-43-IIIa Oscar sweeping at 12000 feet

CAP engaged:
33rd FG/58th FS with P-40N5 Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 17000 , scrambling fighters to 12000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 45 minutes
33rd FG/59th FS with P-40N5 Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters to 12000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 212 minutes
33rd FG/60th FS with P-40N5 Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 13000 , scrambling fighters to 12000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 268 minutes

[Captain Cruft]

ORIGINAL: Sangeli

Is Hainan part of the inner lines of defense you have? When are we finally going to see the massive battle of Kamikazes, carriers, and everything else you have. Also I'm curious what your fleet looks like in terms of ships, pilots, and planes. IIRC there haven't been any carrier battles but you have sunk some US CVs with Betties, correct?

The purpose of Fortress Hainan is to make him land there. Ditto Fortress Formosa.

I have no idea when or where the Decisive Battle or Battles will take place. It is likely to be close to home though

The Fleet is completely intact except for about 15 DDs (Fubuki class and lesser). Everything will be on the map by the end of July except for the Ibuki.

All the carrier pilots have done for years now is Training. The original golden boys were all stripped out right at the start.

The USN is lamenting the loss of the Essex (to aerial torpedoes) and the Wasp (to submarine torpedoes) along with a few cruisers and destroyers.

[Captain Cruft]

16 Apr 1944

A few 2E bombers escorted by lots of Oscars have a go at Hanoi airfield, which is where the Sweepers came from last turn. Not bad results considering the number of bombers.

Then a large BritIndian stack arrives at Nanning and Shock Attacks over the river.

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Morning Air attack on Hanoi , at 68,56

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 111 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 237
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 25
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 18
Ki-67-Ia Peggy x 5

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 6 damaged
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 3 destroyed by flak
Ki-48-IIa Lily: 1 damaged
Ki-48-IIa Lily: 1 destroyed by flak
Ki-67-Ia Peggy: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40N5 Warhawk: 23 damaged
P-40N5 Warhawk: 1 destroyed on ground
Spitfire VIII: 17 damaged
Spitfire VIII: 2 destroyed on ground
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 damaged
P-51A Mustang: 9 damaged
P-51A Mustang: 1 destroyed on ground
F-5A Lightning: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 44

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Ki-67-Ia Peggy bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 3 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
23 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Nanning (72,55)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 57225 troops, 929 guns, 1326 vehicles, Assault Value = 2174

Defending force 15966 troops, 116 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 562

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 5

Allied adjusted assault: 2249

Japanese adjusted defense: 1267

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 5)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 5

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
2592 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 176 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 9 disabled
Guns lost 13 (2 destroyed, 11 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
4531 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 339 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 95 disabled
Engineers: 103 destroyed, 60 disabled
Vehicles lost 48 (6 destroyed, 42 disabled)

Assaulting units:
XV Corps Engineer Battalion
48th Gurkha Brigade
14th Chindit Brigade
20th Indian Division
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
19th Indian Division
50th Tank Brigade
XXXIII Corps Engineer Battalion
11th Indian Division
5th Indian Division
23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
6th Mixed A/T Mtr Regiment
6th Medium Regiment
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
20th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
85th British AT Gun Regiment
272/273rd Bty 80th AT Gun Regiment

Defending units:
23rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
22nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
21st Ind.Mixed Brigade
6th JAAF AF Coy
7th JAAF AF Coy

[obvert]

Looks like your Jacks especially are climbing above his sweeps. They do climb fast!

In the first Oscar 'escort' they did elect to sweep ahead. It's really good when that happens, and it functions just like a normal sweep but then they are still around when the bombers arrive to help protect them at least.

[Captain Cruft]

20 Apr 1944

The B-29s have arrived, with an ineffective night port attack on Takao. Flying out of Bangkok or somewhere like that at a guess. The raids were ineffective mostly because there are no ships in port, I did not have any fighters up.

This means I cannot safely disband shipping anywhere west of Shanghai. Which is a bit of a shame since various small craft have recently started upgrading at Manila and Pescadores. Oops.

There are some actual Irving night-fighters at Pescadores, mostly still training. I will put one group on night CAP, while at Manila some regular Nicks will have to stand-in. The best I can hope for is some aim upsetting anyway.

[Captain Cruft]

DUPLICATE

[Sangeli]

ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft
This means I cannot safely disband shipping anywhere west of Shanghai. Which is a bit of a shame since various small craft have recently started upgrading at Manila and Pescadores. Oops.

Are B-29's flying at night really that much of a danger to cargo ships in port? I would imagine they would have a tough time hitting even disbanded ships at night from 6,000 feet in the air (unsure if you have 4E altitude rules). Also don't forget he has to actually target the right ports which might be difficult as clearly right now he's going in blind or else he wouldn't hit a port with no ships.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Sangeli

ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft
This means I cannot safely disband shipping anywhere west of Shanghai. Which is a bit of a shame since various small craft have recently started upgrading at Manila and Pescadores. Oops.

Are B-29's flying at night really that much of a danger to cargo ships in port? I would imagine they would have a tough time hitting even disbanded ships at night from 6,000 feet in the air (unsure if you have 4E altitude rules). Also don't forget he has to actually target the right ports which might be difficult as clearly right now he's going in blind or else he wouldn't hit a port with no ships.

I have a serious beef with this as well. The Japanese continually based ships in Rabaul within range of 4Es and did lose a few, but never lost EVERY ship in port.

B-29s have attacked my shipping several times at night. Each time they sank not most of the ships, but ALL of the ships in port, regardless of size or type, and even those in dry dock. [8|]

When B-29s arrive so do the B-29 recon versions, so the Allies will not go in blind.

[Sangeli]

ORIGINAL: obvert

I have a serious beef with this as well. The Japanese continually based ships in Rabaul within range of 4Es and did lose a few, but never lost EVERY ship in port.

B-29s have attacked my shipping several times at night. Each time they sank not most of the ships, but ALL of the ships in port, regardless of size or type, and even those in dry dock. [8|]

When B-29s arrive so do the B-29 recon versions, so the Allies will not go in blind.

EDIT: I've never actually tried night attacks on ports with ships with 4E but if it really works that well seems pretty gimmicky. In my games I'm going to avoid doing that.

[Captain Cruft]

I agree it's not super-realistic but we have agreed no restrictions on night-bombing. Level bombers cannot fly below 6,000ft though.

What I have actually done at Manila and Pescadores is to form large Escort TFs comprising all those ships which were previously disbanded in port. This is a simple way to avoid Port Attack but the ships are still available for use.

[PaxMondo]

Downside is that TF's, even stationary, consume some fuel. I forget how much, but they do.

[Captain Cruft]

Better than getting sunk

[Captain Cruft]

26 Apr 1944

No further activity by the B-29s, in fact nothing much going on at all that's worth mentioning.

I now have over 7,000 aircraft on the map for the first time - 7,023 to be precise. However what I don't have is anywhere to put the nearly 12,000 replacement pilots in the pool. That is a real problem.

[Cribtop]

Sounds like tine for a major kamikaze attack or sone 100 foot strafe runs in Nates. [;)]

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: obvert

I have a serious beef with this as well. The Japanese continually based ships in Rabaul within range of 4Es and did lose a few, but never lost EVERY ship in port.

B-29s have attacked my shipping several times at night. Each time they sank not most of the ships, but ALL of the ships in port, regardless of size or type, and even those in dry dock. [8|]

When B-29s arrive so do the B-29 recon versions, so the Allies will not go in blind.

Assuming you are talking about our game. Every single port attack I have made has been done in broad daylight. Just want to clarify that.

[Sangeli]

ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft

26 Apr 1944

No further activity by the B-29s, in fact nothing much going on at all that's worth mentioning.

I now have over 7,000 aircraft on the map for the first time - 7,023 to be precise. However what I don't have is anywhere to put the nearly 12,000 replacement pilots in the pool. That is a real problem.

ORIGINAL: Cribtop

Sounds like tine for a major kamikaze attack or sone 100 foot strafe runs in Nates. [;)]

No but seriously what Cribtop says is true. You might consider launching a massive kamikaze attack against an Allied invasion before he reaches "The Hive" because you'd be able to replace those losses for the real decisive battle with your carriers. You may be able to slow down the Allied juggernaut just by intimidation alone if he thinks you're willing to sacrifice 500+ planes/pilots for a base even without your carriers.

[Captain Cruft]

Well that is basically my plan, the problem is that he's not showing me any shipping apart from at Manado where there are over 200 fighters.