CLOSED The old world vs the new: Cannonfodder (Allies) vs Quixote (Japan)

[KenchiSulla]

Saratoga bites the dust to an attack by I-6.. Excellent positioning by Quixote!

I've asked Quixote to accept my surrender (he is heading for a sure autovictory) and offered him to restart another game (Possibly DBB). Quixote is an excellent player and he really doesn't need scenario 2, at least not against me..

Without any real logistical issues the Japanese suffer in scenario 1 (at least you have to train your navy pilots up a bit, losing them does mean something) and with a lot of additional AV in the early months (additional guards divisions and armour) getting to 1943 would be painful and beating/stopping the IJA air component next to impossible...

[desicat]

How much do you attribute Quixote's alternative opening attack to his success?

Given his opening gambit is there anything different that you think you could have done to slow his advance?

[KenchiSulla]

What I could have done:

- agree on a houserules - no mersing gambit on day 1 (...)
- try and intercept the convoy at Mersing on day 1
- defend and buildup Noumea
- fall back to good terrain in China even faster

But overal the strategy is a killer. I think thats why for so many people a Mersing gambit on day 1 is a no no... If you lose Singapore in december (especially in scenario 2) your in deep trouble. The allies do not have the troops to defend what they need to defend that early...

[Rapunzel]

Do not give up . Allies always win the game in the Long run. It just takes a bit more time. And Quixote deserves to see the first Japan autowin.

[desicat]

ORIGINAL: Cannonfodder

What I could have done:

- agree on a houserules - no mersing gambit on day 1 (...)
- try and intercept the convoy at Mersing on day 1
- defend and buildup Noumea
- fall back to good terrain in China even faster

But overal the strategy is a killer. I think thats why for so many people a Mersing gambit on day 1 is a no no... If you lose Singapore in december (especially in scenario 2) your in deep trouble. The allies do not have the troops to defend what they need to defend that early...

Thank you for the answer. I think that for the Allies China is China, sometimes it just doesn't go your way. With the way his CV's were positioned on day 1 I think trying to intercept him at Mersing may have had the same result for Force Z. He came up with a very tough opening and you just happened to be the first in the cross hairs - thank you for continuing the AAR throughout.

[Crackaces]

ORIGINAL: Cannonfodder

What I could have done:

- agree on a houserules - no mersing gambit on day 1 (...)
- try and intercept the convoy at Mersing on day 1
- defend and buildup Noumea
- fall back to good terrain in China even faster

But overal the strategy is a killer. I think thats why for so many people a Mersing gambit on day 1 is a no no... If you lose Singapore in december (especially in scenario 2) your in deep trouble. The allies do not have the troops to defend what they need to defend that early...

Whenever I get discouraged .. I reread GreyJoy vs. Radier .... well worth reading in this situation ...

[KenchiSulla]

Still on the fence as we decided to think about the game for a couple of days. You have to realise that Quixote is a very skilled player. I would love to keep playing him but to be honest I could use a restart to have a shot at an interesting match...

[JocMeister]

If he gets a AV are you two going to continue playing anyway or is that it? If you are going to continue playing despite an AV I strongly encourage you to play on! Not doubting for a second you can turn this around. [:)]

[KenchiSulla]

Quixote has accepted my surrender and the game is now officially over. I'll be starting a new game as the allies (DBB / C with stacking limits if I can find an opponent willing to play it).. Thanks for following

[JocMeister]

Hope you find another opponent and do an AAR again. Good luck!

[obvert]

Too bad to see this end. It would have been fun to watch you climb out of that hole and win out in the end!

Good luck in the next one.

[KenchiSulla]

Perhaps Obvert but it would have been messy and painful.. I'm now looking forward to play a game with DBB and stacking limits as I think that solves some of the issues of the stock game...

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Cannonfodder

Perhaps Obvert but it would have been messy and painful.. I'm now looking forward to play a game with DBB and stacking limits as I think that solves some of the issues of the stock game...

I think you're right. We had a chance to add stacking limits in mid-42, and Jocke didn't want to as he had to suffer without them in China for those first months, and he didn't want to then have to go through Burma with them. Ironically I think it would ave heaped him and really made the entire game much more interesting, where I didn't have to counter his massive troop concentration with my own big stack.

Next time. I'll be interested to see your next game and how it will play differently.

[PaxMondo]

ORIGINAL: Cannonfodder

- fall back to good terrain in China even faster

+1

I beleive the allies can hold china, at least deep into 43, and if they do that, it is crippling to the IJ. But to do so, you have to start your defense on Dec 7, 1941 and you have to move FAST. It is all about protecting the Chungking valley and Kunming. The rest of it is up for grabs.

[zuluhour]

Damn!!!!! Now I'm the only one facing AV.

The IJA is in the Chungking valley
The IJA has half of Australia
I have been stopped in the Gilberts
The IJA holds New Caledonia north
I have (?) carriers.[;)](ps not good wink either)
The IJA is in the Aleutians.
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