No I think Arralen is right... this time i am all for critisim of the game where it has faults from folks who understand how the game works ... and i am all for newbies asking questions that some folks might find obvious and answer those questions with tact and courtesy ...
But complaining about how the game handles basic combat issues based upon what you saw in the Battle of the Bulge Movie and citing totally fictious statistics and then going on to display a very amazing non-understanding of how the game works or having any Idea of the level of serious historical knowledge both on the boards here, and that went into game design and combat modeling ..I think, perhaps, that that may actually deserve a suggestion to read the game manual complete with an explitive or two ....
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Arralen is right, but we can be nice about it too.
Charles22: I've always wondered about how everyone else handles deployment, as how I do it just evolved from being confused with dealing with alot of troops. So I line them all up next to each other in neat rows and ponder where to put them. When I play a WB campaign where he gives me 2 hexes to deploy I'm in trouble with my system!
I would love to hear how others handle deployment.
Charles22: I've always wondered about how everyone else handles deployment, as how I do it just evolved from being confused with dealing with alot of troops. So I line them all up next to each other in neat rows and ponder where to put them. When I play a WB campaign where he gives me 2 hexes to deploy I'm in trouble with my system!
I would love to hear how others handle deployment. Don "Sapper" Llewellyn
Don: I bet you play locally too. I go through the units, for the most part, through alphabetic order about half of the time and then reverse alphabetic the other half. I would prefer to go through all my tank units first, but unfortunately there's no hot key to scroll through units of a particular type and it makes it difficult to choose a core if I were to pick all my tanks first in order to achieve the same thing. I think I do pretty much go through all the tank units first, it's just that I have to leapfrog all the units inbetween to get to the next one. Somehow it seems quicker than just hitting the all forces menu and clicking leapfrogging that way. Perhaps I'll put that into more consideration.
I do play locally in really tough situations, but since tanks are so much stronger and I do almost all my kills with them, it makes it a lot easier to fight alphabetically. Most battles I only use them for fighting when the battle's pretty much won, or when the tanks are running low on HE. It seems that the only time I use them proper, largely due to how I deploy them, that it's only when half of my tanks have been smashed.
I used to play quite the opposite, where I used to place the infantry along the front, with the tanks far behind, relatively on hills. This allowed the infantry to reduce a disadvantage I might have to enemy tanks, before they engaged my tanks, but unfortunately it tore up the infantry too bad, as the tanks AT fire didn't help enough from such a range.
If I'd ever play a campaign long enough to get to where the panzerfausts are being used, I think that would change my deployment somewhat more along the lines of how I used to do it. When your tanks have to face three or four less IS2s when the tanks exchange fire, that definitely helps.
I do play locally in really tough situations, but since tanks are so much stronger and I do almost all my kills with them, it makes it a lot easier to fight alphabetically. Most battles I only use them for fighting when the battle's pretty much won, or when the tanks are running low on HE. It seems that the only time I use them proper, largely due to how I deploy them, that it's only when half of my tanks have been smashed.
I used to play quite the opposite, where I used to place the infantry along the front, with the tanks far behind, relatively on hills. This allowed the infantry to reduce a disadvantage I might have to enemy tanks, before they engaged my tanks, but unfortunately it tore up the infantry too bad, as the tanks AT fire didn't help enough from such a range.
If I'd ever play a campaign long enough to get to where the panzerfausts are being used, I think that would change my deployment somewhat more along the lines of how I used to do it. When your tanks have to face three or four less IS2s when the tanks exchange fire, that definitely helps.
AS my post will show I have not been a active
participant in the forum. The reason being
not only have I read the manuel, but any question or frustration that came about by
playing SPWaW was answered by search or by
viewing the days latest topics. I find the
support and freindliness rewarding. When
I turn my machine on I look foward to what
you guys and gals have to say and offer.
Have never been involved in a more rewarding
gaming experience.
P.S. Jess the SCHOOLHOUSE was awesome, thanx
participant in the forum. The reason being
not only have I read the manuel, but any question or frustration that came about by
playing SPWaW was answered by search or by
viewing the days latest topics. I find the
support and freindliness rewarding. When
I turn my machine on I look foward to what
you guys and gals have to say and offer.
Have never been involved in a more rewarding
gaming experience.
P.S. Jess the SCHOOLHOUSE was awesome, thanx
OOh this is good, is this gem for me?
I actually was laughing after reading this. Thank you for this comic relief.
Now what are you talking about, are we looking at the same post? Where am I complaining about the way this game handles combat issues? Does my experience comes from watching movies? heh.
Show me a sentence with any statistics I post in which do I display my non-understanding of the working of this game?
Is it The 4-1 kill ratio in my games? Once again, that's just what I noticed, does that make you conclude my expertise of the war from freaking watching hollywood movies and mtv??
Show me, where do I display such ignorance.
Now if you have read my posts I do reveal that I might have my level of expertise. I posted that I play Panzer Elite which is the best ww2 armor sim to date which includes all data that a fine sim needs to include.
That I'm a newbie in this game upsets you? Should I post my resume with all the info in which games I have my experience and where did I get my degree as a wargamer?
You wanna give me a quiz? Should I post penetration data for Pzgr. 40/43 at 2000 meters to get your approval? I played warbirds, now Aces HIgh and when it comes out ww2online, will that earn me your passing grade? or are these games just hollywood reflections of real war which you seem to be an expert in and are fit for retards like me who take their war knowledge from movies?
I understand anal retentive jerkoffs like you (wait I'm gonna get to explitives soon) and you misguided barking. I wish to help you. Therefore I will explain my understanding of the game.
My first post stated "I am having a very hard time accepting the results of tank battles" as you keep reading you find out that from what in many scenarios I played I noticed ge tanks having a hard time hitting enemy tanks. That's just what I saw and after further investigation I found that troop quality was set to 30 for ge and 70 for us which explains the difference in perfomance. Did I say anything such as 'this game blows'? even with my lacking of the knowledge of this game I assumed that perhaps it was just a 'dice roll'.
Then I state that I can't find a way to load inf on apc's, which is the holding shift, as I was instructed to do and is actually explained on page 13 of the manual. The rest of my posts are general impressions and discoveries about the game, it's just a newbie rant how much fun this game is. Reading manual would come eventually after having spent some time just screwing around the game, having fun.
But you couldn't take it, [stuff deleted, lets at least keep the falmae wars PG-13...]
This game is fantastic, level of data and research done is the reason it's such a fantastic game which came behind Combat MIssion in some game of the year thing which I also play. I do thank all who have been helpful and performance of this bad apple doesn't reflect negatively of the community. Now when I will finish the manual (I'm on page 44 which explains changes in campaign and editor) I would love to try some battles against human opponents.
S!
[This message has been edited by kar98 (edited February 16, 2001).]
[This message has been edited by Paul Vebber (edited February 18, 2001).]
I actually was laughing after reading this. Thank you for this comic relief.
Originally posted by AmmoSgt:
No I think Arralen is right... this time i am all for critisim of the game where it has faults from folks who understand how the game works ... and i am all for newbies asking questions that some folks might find obvious and answer those questions with tact and courtesy ...
But complaining about how the game handles basic combat issues based upon what you saw in the Battle of the Bulge Movie
Now what are you talking about, are we looking at the same post? Where am I complaining about the way this game handles combat issues? Does my experience comes from watching movies? heh.
and citing totally fictious statistics and then going on to display a very amazing non-understanding of how the game works
Show me a sentence with any statistics I post in which do I display my non-understanding of the working of this game?
Is it The 4-1 kill ratio in my games? Once again, that's just what I noticed, does that make you conclude my expertise of the war from freaking watching hollywood movies and mtv??
or having any Idea of the level of serious historical knowledge both on the boards here, and that went into game design and combat modeling ..
Show me, where do I display such ignorance.
The audacity!I think, perhaps, that that may actually deserve a suggestion to read the game manual complete with an explitive or two ....
Now if you have read my posts I do reveal that I might have my level of expertise. I posted that I play Panzer Elite which is the best ww2 armor sim to date which includes all data that a fine sim needs to include.
That I'm a newbie in this game upsets you? Should I post my resume with all the info in which games I have my experience and where did I get my degree as a wargamer?
You wanna give me a quiz? Should I post penetration data for Pzgr. 40/43 at 2000 meters to get your approval? I played warbirds, now Aces HIgh and when it comes out ww2online, will that earn me your passing grade? or are these games just hollywood reflections of real war which you seem to be an expert in and are fit for retards like me who take their war knowledge from movies?
I understand anal retentive jerkoffs like you (wait I'm gonna get to explitives soon) and you misguided barking. I wish to help you. Therefore I will explain my understanding of the game.
My first post stated "I am having a very hard time accepting the results of tank battles" as you keep reading you find out that from what in many scenarios I played I noticed ge tanks having a hard time hitting enemy tanks. That's just what I saw and after further investigation I found that troop quality was set to 30 for ge and 70 for us which explains the difference in perfomance. Did I say anything such as 'this game blows'? even with my lacking of the knowledge of this game I assumed that perhaps it was just a 'dice roll'.
Then I state that I can't find a way to load inf on apc's, which is the holding shift, as I was instructed to do and is actually explained on page 13 of the manual. The rest of my posts are general impressions and discoveries about the game, it's just a newbie rant how much fun this game is. Reading manual would come eventually after having spent some time just screwing around the game, having fun.
But you couldn't take it, [stuff deleted, lets at least keep the falmae wars PG-13...]
This game is fantastic, level of data and research done is the reason it's such a fantastic game which came behind Combat MIssion in some game of the year thing which I also play. I do thank all who have been helpful and performance of this bad apple doesn't reflect negatively of the community. Now when I will finish the manual (I'm on page 44 which explains changes in campaign and editor) I would love to try some battles against human opponents.
S!
[This message has been edited by kar98 (edited February 16, 2001).]
[This message has been edited by Paul Vebber (edited February 18, 2001).]
I'm Allied in the 40 and 43 leagues look me up when you decide to try PBEM
"For Americans war is almost all of the time a nuisance, and military skill is a luxury like Mah-jongg. But when the issue is brought home to them, war becomes as important, for the necessary periods, as business or sport. And it is hard to decide which
If Kar98's last post dosen't constitute a personal attack, I don't know what does. While the replies to Kar did seem a bit harsh, his reply went WELL beyond the bounds of good taste. If this isn't a case for admin intervention, I don't know what is.
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Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?" But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll!
-Rudyard Kipling-
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?" But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll!
-Rudyard Kipling-
best way to settle this is PBEM thats what i say personal challenge is offered If Kar wants to put his degree in wargaming to the test LOL
"For Americans war is almost all of the time a nuisance, and military skill is a luxury like Mah-jongg. But when the issue is brought home to them, war becomes as important, for the necessary periods, as business or sport. And it is hard to decide which
Just as an aside, I wanted to read the manual on my lunch hour, but the link labeled:
SPWaW v4.1 Manual Download Here Updated 09/25/2000
doesn't seem to work. I can print and read the manual here at home since it extracted from the .exe. Just a comment. No flames please.
SPWaW v4.1 Manual Download Here Updated 09/25/2000
doesn't seem to work. I can print and read the manual here at home since it extracted from the .exe. Just a comment. No flames please.
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