Not going to spend $100+ dollars on a game only to give it away.
Which is exactly what is being proposed. (Sure, I buy it and use someone else's address to ship it to.)
This friend does *not* need the DVD. Or the serial number.
Print out the pdf files and give him that
Ship your manual to my friend
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RE: Ship your manual to my friend
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RE: Ship your manual to my friend
Many people want the game but do NOT want to pay the shipping costs for the backup DVD and manuals which are bundled togeather
The suggestion is for these people that have NOT bought the game solely due to the shipping costs of the manuals, to go ahead and buy the game and ship the physical manauls (which of course will include the DVD) to this person (call him A) whose shipping To address will result in a much reduced shuipping cost to the purchaser.
Once this person A gets the DVD and manuals from this NEW purchase, the DVD will be destrioyed and person A will keep the manuals.
This is all there is too it as far as I can see. I am not sure why this is so hard to understand.
The suggestion is for these people that have NOT bought the game solely due to the shipping costs of the manuals, to go ahead and buy the game and ship the physical manauls (which of course will include the DVD) to this person (call him A) whose shipping To address will result in a much reduced shuipping cost to the purchaser.
Once this person A gets the DVD and manuals from this NEW purchase, the DVD will be destrioyed and person A will keep the manuals.
This is all there is too it as far as I can see. I am not sure why this is so hard to understand.
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RE: Ship your manual to my friend
Amazing lack of clarity here present 
If you desire the game, only want the game and do not desire the burden of the shipping, you could always buy the game,less the cost of the shipping which the other party will cover, they get the books sent to them, at the cost of the shipping, not the cost of anything but the shipping though, so someone will be buying the game, but not getting the books, and while yes, they will have paid for the books and will not be getting the books, some have clearly stated they couldn't care less, as the game is worth that much to them.
The person ponying up the cost of the shipping, is getting the books at only the cost of the shipping, which is as you would suspect a very tidy deal, but that is basically the point, the person wanting the game, does not want the burden of the cost of shipping on top of the cost of the game. And let me tell ya, the game didn't cost me 160 until the shipping had been added to the price.
Now as this is a private arrangement, clearly neither Plimus, or Slitherine Group is involved here and the books are shipped WITH the cd already in the books. If you buy the game, and register the serial the serial is spoken for and that is the end of it. Thus the other person yes they have access to the cd, and yes they have access to the serial and no it is of no use in multi player. Thus, the person might just as well slip just the cd into the mail as a private letter and mail it to you for the value of a postage stamp, a small gesture considering they effectively got the books for peanuts. Not really asking a lot of the person when you think of it.
Yeah the person will have had access to the cd and the serial and thus gets an option to install it not entirely legal. But considering how many of us will be in a position to do the same damned thing with any wargaming friends we already have access too. I think it is a non issue to cry over.
So in the end, sure, it's an idea, some of you could effectively get the game, as a digital download, and not suffer the expense of shipping, even though it means you suffer the cost of paying for books you will not be getting which in the end means you have spent a lot of cash for nothing all the same, but that's your business eh. Maybe some of you have elected to resolve that the game is simply only worth 100 bucks and not a penny more.
Either way, the idea will work, provided you find someone that really feels like getting books that likely will be only relevant to a game they can't really use without a usable serial number.
The idea though, that a person being shipped books that are already packed with the cd and the serial is in some fashion asking for something under handed, that is funny. I'd be inclined to reply with, ok enjoy paying for the shipping and don't bother me
If you desire the game, only want the game and do not desire the burden of the shipping, you could always buy the game,less the cost of the shipping which the other party will cover, they get the books sent to them, at the cost of the shipping, not the cost of anything but the shipping though, so someone will be buying the game, but not getting the books, and while yes, they will have paid for the books and will not be getting the books, some have clearly stated they couldn't care less, as the game is worth that much to them.
The person ponying up the cost of the shipping, is getting the books at only the cost of the shipping, which is as you would suspect a very tidy deal, but that is basically the point, the person wanting the game, does not want the burden of the cost of shipping on top of the cost of the game. And let me tell ya, the game didn't cost me 160 until the shipping had been added to the price.
Now as this is a private arrangement, clearly neither Plimus, or Slitherine Group is involved here and the books are shipped WITH the cd already in the books. If you buy the game, and register the serial the serial is spoken for and that is the end of it. Thus the other person yes they have access to the cd, and yes they have access to the serial and no it is of no use in multi player. Thus, the person might just as well slip just the cd into the mail as a private letter and mail it to you for the value of a postage stamp, a small gesture considering they effectively got the books for peanuts. Not really asking a lot of the person when you think of it.
Yeah the person will have had access to the cd and the serial and thus gets an option to install it not entirely legal. But considering how many of us will be in a position to do the same damned thing with any wargaming friends we already have access too. I think it is a non issue to cry over.
So in the end, sure, it's an idea, some of you could effectively get the game, as a digital download, and not suffer the expense of shipping, even though it means you suffer the cost of paying for books you will not be getting which in the end means you have spent a lot of cash for nothing all the same, but that's your business eh. Maybe some of you have elected to resolve that the game is simply only worth 100 bucks and not a penny more.
Either way, the idea will work, provided you find someone that really feels like getting books that likely will be only relevant to a game they can't really use without a usable serial number.
The idea though, that a person being shipped books that are already packed with the cd and the serial is in some fashion asking for something under handed, that is funny. I'd be inclined to reply with, ok enjoy paying for the shipping and don't bother me
I have too many too complicated wargames, and not enough sufficiently interested non wargamer friends.
RE: Ship your manual to my friend
ORIGINAL: Numdydar
Many people want the game but do NOT want to pay the shipping costs for the backup DVD and manuals which are bundled togeather
The suggestion is for these people that have NOT bought the game solely due to the shipping costs of the manuals, to go ahead and buy the game and ship the physical manauls (which of course will include the DVD) to this person (call him A) whose shipping To address will result in a much reduced shuipping cost to the purchaser.
Once this person A gets the DVD and manuals from this NEW purchase, the DVD will be destrioyed and person A will keep the manuals.
This is all there is too it as far as I can see. I am not sure why this is so hard to understand.
So send me the manuals. I'll take a shotgun to the DVD. I'll roast it oven an open flame. I'll take an axe and bust it into bits. I'll tie it to a rock and dump it into the Atlantic..
So, why would I, as Person A, want manuals for a game I don't have? They are of no use to me without the game.
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RE: Ship your manual to my friend
In this instance I think "A" would be a buddy of a person who has the entire game and is playing hot seat with a person having the entire game. When not playing hot seat, "A" wants to read the manuals when at home at his/her convenience.............whole thing sounds reasonable to me as the OP is seeing people wanting the game electronically but not the manuals (shipping costs/Taxes).
IMO the DVD in the books is useless if not being used by the purchaser (please don't hammer me on the this last comment it's just my opinion).
IMO the DVD in the books is useless if not being used by the purchaser (please don't hammer me on the this last comment it's just my opinion).
RE: Ship your manual to my friend
ORIGINAL: Mat_Jack
In this instance I think "A" would be a buddy of a person who has the entire game and is playing hot seat with a person having the entire game. When not playing hot seat, "A" wants to read the manuals when at home at his/her convenience.............whole thing sounds reasonable to me as the OP is seeing people wanting the game electronically but not the manuals (shipping costs/Taxes).
IMO the DVD in the books is useless if not being used by the purchaser (please don't hammer me on the this last comment it's just my opinion).
So person A could take his buddy's books home. Or his buddy could print out the pdfs, or put them on a disk.
If Person A really wants to read the rules, then that would suffice.
If not, then he does not need the books.
I'm not going to hammer you, but if the physical disk is useless, then who do people here buy the physical copy and the d/l?
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RE: Ship your manual to my friend
I guess I should had said IMO not useful to a person it's not registered to.
RE: Ship your manual to my friend
because that is the only way to buy the game...ORIGINAL: Aurelian
I'm not going to hammer you, but if the physical disk is useless, then who do people here buy the physical copy and the d/l?
IMHO vollman's proposal is completely reasonable and could save someone the cost of postage for books they don't want. and at least on this site, if someone told me that they'd destroy the disk upon receipt, I would tend to believe them.
RE: Ship your manual to my friend
A friend of mine is contemplating a purchase, but is reluctant because of the shipping cost and all. So I told him about the proposal made here, and he immediately came up with the following grim scenario:
What if the person receiving the package told you he destroyed the DVD with the serial printed on it. But instead he sets up a torrent and includes your serial in it. Let say Matrix Games notices and black lists your serial. What are you going to do now? What is your leverage to resolve the situation, should Matrix Games refuse to reimburse you with a new serial.
An official statement would be appreciated.
I think if you want to do something like this you would need a neutral and trusted third party broker taking care of the destruction of said DVD and serial. Or, if Matrix Games would be cooperative on this, they could just remove the DVD from the package in the first place.
What if the person receiving the package told you he destroyed the DVD with the serial printed on it. But instead he sets up a torrent and includes your serial in it. Let say Matrix Games notices and black lists your serial. What are you going to do now? What is your leverage to resolve the situation, should Matrix Games refuse to reimburse you with a new serial.
An official statement would be appreciated.
I think if you want to do something like this you would need a neutral and trusted third party broker taking care of the destruction of said DVD and serial. Or, if Matrix Games would be cooperative on this, they could just remove the DVD from the package in the first place.
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RE: Ship your manual to my friend
Why not just the manual? Original owner keeps the DVD?
RE: Ship your manual to my friend
Because the DVD is in a jacket inside the manuals. It is not a seperate shipment.
RE: Ship your manual to my friend
ORIGINAL: Numdydar
Many people want the game but do NOT want to pay the shipping costs for the backup DVD and manuals which are bundled togeather
The suggestion is for these people that have NOT bought the game solely due to the shipping costs of the manuals, to go ahead and buy the game and ship the physical manauls (which of course will include the DVD) to this person (call him A) whose shipping To address will result in a much reduced shuipping cost to the purchaser.
Once this person A gets the DVD and manuals from this NEW purchase, the DVD will be destrioyed and person A will keep the manuals.
This is all there is too it as far as I can see. I am not sure why this is so hard to understand.
Thank you!
At first I thought it was an honest mistake, but now I think there are a couple of people here that just seem to want to see the worst in people.
My friend does NOT want the DVD. It comes with the manual. He doesn't want it.
My friend does NOT want a printed PDF. These are beautiful books, have you even seen them?
My friend does NOT want someone to send manuals that they already have.
If someone wants the game but isn't buying it because of the shipping costs for manuals they don't want, my friend will take those manuals and pay for the shipping.
It's that simple.