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You don't want to attack the CW in Antwerp or Rotterdam; if the Defensive Shore Bombardment optional is in play you might as well not bother ever attacking them on any coastal hex. Those hexes are under RAF cover from England, are cities that you can't use your armor against very well, and are partially covered by river lines on some hexsides. You just don't let them in there in the first place. There are a number of solutions. 1 if by sea, 2 if by Fallschirmjaeger. And always wait for good weather.

When you crack the French line, try and get from the breakthrough point and to the north-east if possible, over an impulse or two, to try and block the Brits from retreating back across the Seine. They may hold their enclave at the coast + Lille for an impulse too long before they realize it, or need to do something on the naval side right then. Let them. Then ground-strike them in Lille, or even better, bring up your ARTillery for some strikes and don't even fight the RAF, and attack when you eventually have four hexes on it.

The campaign in France is a classic hex-based wargame struggle of 2 hexes or 3 hexes. To get to having 3 hexes to attack from, the Germans have to crack a line from only 2 hexes first. When the Germans have 3 hexes to attack from, they will generally win. When the Germans have 3 hexes, the Allies should retreat before they get smashed, but they frequently don't.

The Germans should kill as many units as they can whenever the French don't have a solid line that must be cracked; give that a priority in May/Jun over driving on Paris exclusively and in Jul/Aug the French will start running out of units to make a solid line, particularly at the south end. A good Allied player will just retreat into a solid line first. If the French stay in the Maginot too long, they must retreat across open country which is perfect for the panzers. Attacking in that direction is not on the way to Paris, but it might let you cross the Seine to the south, helping to keep the BEF from so calmly setting up new lines behind Paris.

Aircraft (from any major power) can’t:
(a) fly a defensive ground support mission to a hex where the only land units there are surprised; or
(b) fly a naval air interception mission to a sea area where the only friendly units there are either neutral or surprised.

And Beware of Option 38

Option 38: Surprised naval units can’t provide defensive shore bombardment nor can naval units provide defensive shore bombardment to a hex containing only surprised units.

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And yes, focusing ARTY on the Brits to pin them down and prevent retreat. I avoided them too much this game.
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Sometimes with Def. Shore Bombardment in play, or their ART in Dover, the CW will try and stretch what they can cover in France by holding the Channel coast with only one unit in Calais, possibly even with just the Gort HQ itself, especially if Wavell hasn't arrived yet. A one hex Bitz attack on that one unit can unhinge the CW section of the line and turn Lille into the first POW camp. As usual, you will need your Stukas and Fighters (fighting the RAF) and 1 ARM/MECH + MOT + one division, but a daring attack like that can really pay off. It might call for a ground strike on Dover or a Kriegsmarine sortie, but it can be a weak point in the Allied line at times.
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He's done that, but usually with a Mech holding the northern part of the line and Gort in Lille and yes he has an ARTY on Dover. I setup IT for an Egypt attack which pinned Wavell for a few turns. Using a mech makes a single hex attack a bit more difficult as Gort can do HQ support and the mech wipe out any ARM bonus. I thought about it, but went after the French instead. I've also thought about a paradrop behind Lille on Boulogne to prevent a retreat to the Seine. The notional will be 2 which means only a 4-1 with ground support and a +1 for the notional. If the Kriegsmarine can help out, possibly better.

Bottom line is that CW has to be dealt with either via head on attack or via pinning. Can't ignore them.
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I wonder how the Med and the PTO look like with this kind of commitment from the CW in 1940.
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I wonder how the Med and the PTO look like with this kind of commitment from the CW in 1940.


Exactly.

In answer to the OP's original question "I would like to know which [CW] land units you usually place in france." My answer is: None. None at all.
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Exactly.

In answer to the OP's original question "I would like to know which [CW] land units you usually place in france." My answer is: None. None at all.


Not even Gort and two bodies? That leaves France stretched awfully thin.
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Not even Gort and two bodies? That leaves France stretched awfully thin.

Although I would like to say "no, not ever", it really depends on Germany's actions. If Germany is going to be ultra-agressive against France then in the long run it's not going to make a lot of difference, and Gort and those two bodies aren't going to make a lot of difference to the eventual outcome.

Losing Gibraltar and/or the Suez, however, are significant issues. There are (as I pointed out in another thread) 6 unprotected victory cities in the middle east that can easily fall to the axis if Suez falls, and losing Gibraltar opens up the option to Germany of Sealion which is a much bigger potential issue for the UK than holding France for an extra impulse or two.

So in most cases, but not all cases, no I would not even send Gort and two bodies into France. It's a trap.


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