Please help me make a descision; WitE or Command Ops?

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: gradenko_2000

Come on guys, why would you be recommending World in Flames when it doesn't even have single-player AI? If he was going to run the whole boardgame by himself or via PBEM, he might as well do it through VASSAL.

warspite1

For the reasons I have already stated to the OP...

[aaatoysandmore]

History of the World I or II would be my outside recommendation. It's easy to play yet detailed just enough, it's grand scale, but from you choices you gave us then I'd go with Command OPS anyday over WITE. I think History of the World would give you more of what you want though if you want a campaign. And it comes with worldwide events that change from game to game. That's what I like about it over all the other suggestions is the "whatif" outcomes, I don't care to play canned scenarios or repeat wars or battles myself. Even Gettysburg scourge of war is different in sandbox mode even though the yanks stomp my butt every time at least they do it in a different way.

[aaatoysandmore]

ORIGINAL: gradenko_2000

Come on guys, why would you be recommending World in Flames when it doesn't even have single-player AI? If he was going to run the whole boardgame by himself or via PBEM, he might as well do it through VASSAL.

Anyway, to answer the OP's question directly, I'd consider Command Ops to be the better game unless you really prefer the scale and/or setting of WITE.

I'm with gradenko, as far as I'm concerned WIF doesn't even exist until they put an ai in it. It's just a boardgame converted to computer, nothing more nothing less until it has an ai (and a good one) to play against. I cannot believe they even thought about releasing it until it had one. How many copies did you sell Matrix (like they would tell me) 100? 120? lol Can't have been many as there can't be that many <think of favorite derogative here> in the world to buy a "PC" game without an ai or can there?

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore

ORIGINAL: gradenko_2000

Come on guys, why would you be recommending World in Flames when it doesn't even have single-player AI? If he was going to run the whole boardgame by himself or via PBEM, he might as well do it through VASSAL.

Anyway, to answer the OP's question directly, I'd consider Command Ops to be the better game unless you really prefer the scale and/or setting of WITE.

I'm with gradenko, as far as I'm concerned WIF doesn't even exist until they put an ai in it. It's just a boardgame converted to computer, nothing more nothing less until it has an ai (and a good one) to play against. I cannot believe they even thought about releasing it until it had one. How many copies did you sell Matrix (like they would tell me) 100? 120? lol Can't have been many as there can't be that many <think of favorite derogative here> in the world to buy a "PC" game without an ai or can there?

warspite1

What a pleasant post. Okay, you do not want to purchase the game, and for the reasons you state and that are important to you. Fine, no problem with that.

But why do you feel the need to insult those that do? "Favourite derogative expletive". Yes I can think of the usual ones. The fact you feel the need to call me one of those just because I chose to buy a game says quite a lot about you doesn't it aaatoysandmore?

[Alchenar]

Well regardless of the objective merits of the game, given that the two criteria the OP listed were:
1) Should have better AI than WitP
2) Should have a smaller scope than WitP

Then recommending World in Flames is just straight up ignoring what he asked for and is unhelpful advice. Commander: The Great War is probably something the OP should look at.

Other things I'd recommend: The Decisive Campaigns games (limited scope Operational level, passable AI, very accessible) and Unity of Command/Panzer Corps.

I would not recommend buying any AGEOD game unless 'sit and wait 5 minutes for the turn to process' is an important part of your gameplay experience.

[Titanwarrior89]

WitE....[&o]

[Missouri_Rebel]

ORIGINAL: Alchenar

Other things I'd recommend: The Decisive Campaigns games (limited scope Operational level, passable AI, very accessible)

Yes. Good suggestion.

[Aurelian]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore

ORIGINAL: gradenko_2000

Come on guys, why would you be recommending World in Flames when it doesn't even have single-player AI? If he was going to run the whole boardgame by himself or via PBEM, he might as well do it through VASSAL.

Anyway, to answer the OP's question directly, I'd consider Command Ops to be the better game unless you really prefer the scale and/or setting of WITE.

I'm with gradenko, as far as I'm concerned WIF doesn't even exist until they put an ai in it. It's just a boardgame converted to computer, nothing more nothing less until it has an ai (and a good one) to play against. I cannot believe they even thought about releasing it until it had one. How many copies did you sell Matrix (like they would tell me) 100? 120? lol Can't have been many as there can't be that many <think of favorite derogative here> in the world to buy a "PC" game without an ai or can there?

warspite1

What a pleasant post. Okay, you do not want to purchase the game, and for the reasons you state and that are important to you. Fine, no problem with that.

But why do you feel the need to insult those that do? "Favourite derogative expletive". Yes I can think of the usual ones. The fact you feel the need to call me one of those just because I chose to buy a game says quite a lot about you doesn't it aaatoysandmore?

I agree, It's a bad as those who insult people who don't want the hardback rules. No need for any of it.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Alchenar

Well regardless of the objective merits of the game, given that the two criteria the OP listed were:
1) Should have better AI than WitP
2) Should have a smaller scope than WitP

Then recommending World in Flames is just straight up ignoring what he asked for and is unhelpful advice. Commander: The Great War is probably something the OP should look at.

Other things I'd recommend: The Decisive Campaigns games (limited scope Operational level, passable AI, very accessible) and Unity of Command/Panzer Corps.

I would not recommend buying any AGEOD game unless 'sit and wait 5 minutes for the turn to process' is an important part of your gameplay experience.

warspite1
And as I have already explained in post 5, it was light-hearted, you know like Airplane - "What were the choices of dinner?" - "chicken or fish". "Ah yes that's right, I had lasagne" [8|] Really nothing for anyone to get in a lather about...

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore




I'm with gradenko, as far as I'm concerned WIF doesn't even exist until they put an ai in it. It's just a boardgame converted to computer, nothing more nothing less until it has an ai (and a good one) to play against. I cannot believe they even thought about releasing it until it had one. How many copies did you sell Matrix (like they would tell me) 100? 120? lol Can't have been many as there can't be that many <think of favorite derogative here> in the world to buy a "PC" game without an ai or can there?

warspite1

What a pleasant post. Okay, you do not want to purchase the game, and for the reasons you state and that are important to you. Fine, no problem with that.

But why do you feel the need to insult those that do? "Favourite derogative expletive". Yes I can think of the usual ones. The fact you feel the need to call me one of those just because I chose to buy a game says quite a lot about you doesn't it aaatoysandmore?

I agree, It's a bad as those who insult people who don't want the hardback rules. No need for any of it.

warspite1

+1 ridiculous.

[Lützow]

ORIGINAL: RisingSun

Thats cool, im looking forward to get this game next week (Supreme Ruler 1936)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN3qdX1Y7VY

Rather save your money. The Supreme Ruler engine has the worst combat system I ever encountered in a strategy game. There is no command and control, just a huge mess. Kinda Command & Conquer with butt-ugly graphics and animations.

[Misty99]

I would buy Command Ops. I bought DC:Case Blue and CtGW a few months ago. I played a few hours and then I lost interest. It´s now too boring and no fun for me to move dozens of counters over a hex map. A few years ago I liked this type of games. The only games I play often are the Command Ops series.

[SuluSea]

I don't believe you'd go wrong choosing either. I personally like WITE better but Command Ops has it's charms too.

If I were you I'd download the CO Demo and if it's up your alley , let her rip.

[bairdlander2]

WITE,it is a lot of fun,Command Ops is very good,but not as fun,for me anyway

[decaro]

ORIGINAL: kev_uk

As title says. Held off for a long time with two of Matrix Games biggest titles. I got burned out with War in the Pacific, it was too much micromanaging and limited AI ...

Since you already played Conquest you know its AA engine has very little micromanaging and a good AI, so isn't your choice a "no brainer"?

[Rosseau]

WitE doesn't have to be a monster game, but you need to buy all the dlc to get the greatest variety of scenarios out of it. Command Ops the dlc is nice but not required. So I would recommend the latter game, based on OP's comments.

[kev_uk]

Thanks to all who commented; I went with Command Ops and HTTR expansion, which is really what I was mainly after; for both those games, I pay the same price as WITE was just for the base game. Thank you! But, still eyeing up WITE too, checked some LP vids and that looks interesting...