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supply from allies minor country capital

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I had always thought that if a cooperating unit could trace supply, then my unit could trace supply, based on the cooperation rule, 18.3:
Apart from control of hexes, reorganization, reinforcement and activities limits, units which co-operate act as if they were from the same country (they may move and fight together, etc.).
Since supply was not in the "apart" list, I had thought supply was the same for cooperating countries. I just found an exception: Minor country capitals.
A secondary supply source for a unit is:[...]
The capital city of a minor country controlled by the unit’s major power;
It does not say that a secondary source is a minor capital controlled by a cooperating major power. Is this correct? Do minor country capitals of minor countries controlled by a cooperating power not serve as secondary supply sources? If the minor country capital were conquered, rather than belonging to an ally, then it would count as a supply source, which strikes me as strange, if an ally's capital doesn't.

I ask because I just discovered that a CW unit in a Free French Algiers is out of supply, although I can trace by rail back to Casablanca, and from there to England. Is this correct? If so, this is another rule that I have been playing incorrectly for many years.
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RE: supply from allies minor country capital

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ORIGINAL: Courtenay

I had always thought that if a cooperating unit could trace supply, then my unit could trace supply, based on the cooperation rule, 18.3:
Apart from control of hexes, reorganization, reinforcement and activities limits, units which co-operate act as if they were from the same country (they may move and fight together, etc.).
Since supply was not in the "apart" list, I had thought supply was the same for cooperating countries. I just found an exception: Minor country capitals.
A secondary supply source for a unit is:[...]
The capital city of a minor country controlled by the unit’s major power;
It does not say that a secondary source is a minor capital controlled by a cooperating major power. Is this correct? Do minor country capitals of minor countries controlled by a cooperating power not serve as secondary supply sources? If the minor country capital were conquered, rather than belonging to an ally, then it would count as a supply source, which strikes me as strange, if an ally's capital doesn't.

I ask because I just discovered that a CW unit in a Free French Algiers is out of supply, although I can trace by rail back to Casablanca, and from there to England. Is this correct? If so, this is another rule that I have been playing incorrectly for many years.
Captured minor country capitals are different from aligned minor country capitals. The former can be used as a secondary/tertiary supply source by all minor countries aligned to the major power. The latter can only be used as a secondary/tertiary supply source by the major power itself. Note that an aligned capital is a primary supply source for units belonging to the minor country itself. Also, a captured capital is a primary supply source for any of its territorial units controlled by the major power that conquered the minor country.

I believe that if France and the Commonwealth cooperate, then the capitals of minor countries aligned to or conquered by France should be potential secondary/tertiary supply sources for the Commonwealth. If they don't, they aren't.

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This was a major headache to code. Here are my in-line notes and variable lists for keeping track of this for any country that might have units on the map. The supply paths are also important for determining which units can be supplied. Coop paths include a cooperating major power's supply source in the path. Those can be primary, secondary, or tertiary. Coop paths can't be used by units belonging to aligned minor countries (e.g., Rumanians can't use Italian supply sources). Mixed paths include both aligned minor country and cooperating major power supply sources, so they can only be used by the major power that controls the minor and cooperates with the other major powers (e.g., a German unit tracing through a Rumanian HQ to an Italian primary supply source).

// ****************************************************************************
// Variables for supply links, connections, and paths. Since these are primary
// sources, they are always valid supply sources.
//
// The CoCo abbreviation indicates a variable that applies to both Cooperating
// major powers and minor countries Controlled by the given major power. For
// major powers, CoCo entries contain supply sources from cooperative major
// powers. CoCo entries for minor countries are the supply sources directly
// controlled by their controlling major power. For instance, German primary
// supply sources, HQs, and the capitals of conquered countries can provide
// supply to any minor country aligned with Germany and are therefore included
// in the CoCo lists for each of Germany's aligned minor countries.

// Note that many supply sources available to Germany are not available to
// Germany's aligned minor countries. For instance, the capitals of aligned
// minor countries do not provide supply to other aligned minor countries.
// Similarly, secondary supply sources for cooperative major powers do not
// provide supply to any of the minor countries aligned to Germany.
// ****************************************************************************
PriSupCities: TSupplySourcesList;
PriSupHomeCities: TSupplySourcesList; // For conquered territorials.
PriSupHQsTurn: TSupplySourcesList;
PriSupHQsImpulse: TSupplySourcesList;
PriSupAlignHQsTurn: TSupplySourcesList; // Aligned minor countries HQs.
PriSupAlignHQsImpulse: TSupplySourcesList; // Aligned minor countries HQs.
PriSupCoCoCities: TSupplySourcesList; // Cooperating/controlling MPs cities.
PriSupCoCoHQsTurn: TSupplySourcesList; // Cooperating/controlling MPs HQs.
PriSupCoCoHQsImpulse: TSupplySourcesList; // Cooperating/controlling MPs HQs.
// ****************************************************************************
// SecSupCitiesAll and SecSupHQsAll are possible secondary supply sources that
// can be used by aligned minor countries and cooperating major powers.
// ****************************************************************************
SecSupCitiesAll: TSupplySourcesList; // None for aligned minor countries.
SecSupHQsAll: TSupplySourcesList;
SecSupCitiesAlignAll: TSupplySourcesList; // Aligned minor country capitals.
SecSupHQsAlignAll: TSupplySourcesList; // Aligned minor country HQs.
SecSupCitiesCoCoAll: TSupplySourcesList; // Cooperating/controlling MPs cities.
SecSupHQsCoCoAll: TSupplySourcesList; // Cooperating/controlling MPs HQs.
// ****************************************************************************
// The variables below list secondary and tertiary supply sources that have
// valid connections back to a primary supply source for the given country.
// Both secondary and tertiary lists are subsets of the secondary supply sources
// listed immediately above.
//
// The difference between a secondary and a tertiary supply source is that the
// latter cannot trace a rail path to a primary supply source.
//
// Note that the lists separate the supply sources by city/HQ and by owners: a
// major power, all cooperating major powers, and all aligned minor powers.
//
// Variables in TSupply_Source identify the path type:
// SupplyPaths[PurePathIndex] Defined ==> pure supply path.
// SupplyPaths[CoopPath] Defined ==> cooperating major power.
// Coops: array[1..4].
// SupplyPaths[AlignedPath] Defined ==> aligned minor country.
// AlignedMinC: array[1..20].
// SupplyPaths[MixedPathIndex] Defined ==> mixed supply path.
// ****************************************************************************
SecSupCities: TSupplySourcesList; // None for aligned minor countries.
SecSupHQs: TSupplySourcesList;
SecSupCitiesAlign: TSupplySourcesList; // Aligned minor country capitals.
SecSupHQsAlign: TSupplySourcesList; // Aligned minor country HQs.
SecSupCitiesCoCo: TSupplySourcesList; // Cooperating/controlling MPs cities.
SecSupHQsCoCo: TSupplySourcesList; // Cooperating/controlling MPs HQs.
SecSupCitiesMixed: TSupplySourcesList;
SecSupHQsMixed: TSupplySourcesList;

TerSupCities: TSupplySourcesList; // None for aligned minor countries.
TerSupHQs: TSupplySourcesList;
TerSupCitiesAlign: TSupplySourcesList; // Aligned minor country capitals.
TerSupHQsAlign: TSupplySourcesList; // Aligned minor country HQs.
TerSupCitiesCoCo: TSupplySourcesList; // Cooperating/controlling MPs cities.
TerSupHQsCoCo: TSupplySourcesList; // Cooperating/controlling MPs HQs.
TerSupCitiesMixed: TSupplySourcesList;
TerSupHQsMixed: TSupplySourcesList;

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RE: supply from allies minor country capital

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ORIGINAL: Courtenay

It does not say that a secondary source is a minor capital controlled by a cooperating major power. Is this correct? Do minor country capitals of minor countries controlled by a cooperating power not serve as secondary supply sources? If the minor country capital were conquered, rather than belonging to an ally, then it would count as a supply source, which strikes me as strange, if an ally's capital doesn't.
This is correct as to the way it works. FREX CW-controlled Cairo is not a secondary supply source for the U.S., but CW-conquered Tripoli is.
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