Moderators: wdolson, MOD_War-in-the-Pacific-Admirals-Edition
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
It's my understanding that the respawned units don't respawn at 1/3 the total....they respawn at 1/3 what they died with. I could be entirely wrong...
ORIGINAL: EHansen
Using the beta, they will only re-spawn squads and support, no weapons. And it will be 1/3 of the TOE and even less experience.
ORIGINAL: obvert
ORIGINAL: EHansen
Using the beta, they will only re-spawn squads and support, no weapons. And it will be 1/3 of the TOE and even less experience.
Ahhh, no guns. Good to know. That's why the giant stack (18k AV) that just hit my troops had only about 1,000 guns I guess. I thought I'd heard that somewhere.
Experience is unfortunately about 40. Still high enough that after a several months at 100 prep, even without fighting, they can get to 55exp.
ORIGINAL: EHansen
ORIGINAL: obvert
ORIGINAL: EHansen
Using the beta, they will only re-spawn squads and support, no weapons. And it will be 1/3 of the TOE and even less experience.
Ahhh, no guns. Good to know. That's why the giant stack (18k AV) that just hit my troops had only about 1,000 guns I guess. I thought I'd heard that somewhere.
Experience is unfortunately about 40. Still high enough that after a several months at 100 prep, even without fighting, they can get to 55exp.
The manual states they can only train to 45 without combat.
For that to work they have to have a base within what the game engine considers close enough range for a retreat path. I know that the hex calculations are the same as for supply, but I do not know what is the maximum value allowed for a retreat path.ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon
For Chungking, I'm going to move in about 2500 AV initially with all the artillery and do a recon bombardment to see what I'm dealing with. I'll reinforce as units arrive. When I invest the base I'm not going to close every hex side, in fact I'm going to leave the east hex side open to allow the Chinese an escape route. I've learned the lesson of how hard it is to defeat an entirely isolated enemy formation, I won't make that mistake again. If I can eventually force a retreat I'll be able to defeat this force far easier in clear terrain. I'm going to have to rely on the defenders being crippled from lack of supply and that my prep will boost my AV enough to counter the numbers.
ORIGINAL: witpqs
For that to work they have to have a base within what the game engine considers close enough range for a retreat path. I know that the hex calculations are the same as for supply, but I do not know what is the maximum value allowed for a retreat path.
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
If you forced them to retreat, you would otherwise destroy them if you cut all the hex sides. Why would you want to force a retreat instead of forcing a surrender? Once you take Chungking, they don't respawn anywhere. Just kill them. Lots of VPs left on the table if they retreat.
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
I guess maybe I'm missing something? In order to cause them to retreat, at least from combat, you will need to get high enough odds to capture the base, no? So that's the same hurdle to meet as it is for just destroying them from surrender, because you have to get high enough odds to capture the base for that to occur...
ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon
Go back and look at some of the odds I had to achieve to get units to start surrendering when I was reducing a number of isolated pockets that had been out of supply. One in particular had over 15 attacks, some achieving well over 20:1 odds and the units didn't surrender for months. It wasn't until even higher odds were achieved that the units began to surrender. I don't want to repeat that at Chungking. Once the forts are reduced to the point where I can achieve a 2:1 or higher there's a good chance I may be able to get the Chinese to retreat causing huge losses. I might as well get the retreat routine to do a lot of the hard work for me. I can destroy the Chinese units far easier in open terrain using both air and ground forces, rather than pound away at an isolated pocket that will probably fight to the last man as witpqs suggests would happen. I want the base first, then I'll destroy the remaining troops.
I'm basing this decision on previous experience in this game. Isolated units are a bear to destory and take months when the AV is so much higher than the attacker regardless of supply. I want the retreats to reduce large numbers of Chinese troops quickly rather than have my forces continue to have to grind it out long after the base would normally have been captured. Once they retreat out of Chungking it will be far easier to destroy them quickly. That's the plan anyway. [8D]
"Build your enemy golden bridges." Or something to that effect!ORIGINAL: Wargmr
ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon
Go back and look at some of the odds I had to achieve to get units to start surrendering when I was reducing a number of isolated pockets that had been out of supply. One in particular had over 15 attacks, some achieving well over 20:1 odds and the units didn't surrender for months. It wasn't until even higher odds were achieved that the units began to surrender. I don't want to repeat that at Chungking. Once the forts are reduced to the point where I can achieve a 2:1 or higher there's a good chance I may be able to get the Chinese to retreat causing huge losses. I might as well get the retreat routine to do a lot of the hard work for me. I can destroy the Chinese units far easier in open terrain using both air and ground forces, rather than pound away at an isolated pocket that will probably fight to the last man as witpqs suggests would happen. I want the base first, then I'll destroy the remaining troops.
I'm basing this decision on previous experience in this game. Isolated units are a bear to destory and take months when the AV is so much higher than the attacker regardless of supply. I want the retreats to reduce large numbers of Chinese troops quickly rather than have my forces continue to have to grind it out long after the base would normally have been captured. Once they retreat out of Chungking it will be far easier to destroy them quickly. That's the plan anyway. [8D]
Sun Tsu noticed it as well ;]
ORIGINAL: witpqs
"Build your enemy golden bridges." Or something to that effect!ORIGINAL: Wargmr
ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon
Go back and look at some of the odds I had to achieve to get units to start surrendering when I was reducing a number of isolated pockets that had been out of supply. One in particular had over 15 attacks, some achieving well over 20:1 odds and the units didn't surrender for months. It wasn't until even higher odds were achieved that the units began to surrender. I don't want to repeat that at Chungking. Once the forts are reduced to the point where I can achieve a 2:1 or higher there's a good chance I may be able to get the Chinese to retreat causing huge losses. I might as well get the retreat routine to do a lot of the hard work for me. I can destroy the Chinese units far easier in open terrain using both air and ground forces, rather than pound away at an isolated pocket that will probably fight to the last man as witpqs suggests would happen. I want the base first, then I'll destroy the remaining troops.
I'm basing this decision on previous experience in this game. Isolated units are a bear to destory and take months when the AV is so much higher than the attacker regardless of supply. I want the retreats to reduce large numbers of Chinese troops quickly rather than have my forces continue to have to grind it out long after the base would normally have been captured. Once they retreat out of Chungking it will be far easier to destroy them quickly. That's the plan anyway. [8D]
Sun Tsu noticed it as well ;]
