Rain pours down in UK.

[Darkspire]

ORIGINAL: PipFromSlitherine

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Kineas

It's called climate change. We should do something about it.

warspite1

Nothing we can do about it - its what the earth has done since the dawn of time.

Let's not go here guys. It will just lead to locking.

Cheers

Pip

So it is not just political, religious or conspiracy theories that are not allowed to be discussed but also environmental issues as well?? Anything else? How about breakfast cereal? So many choices that are sure to collide there, best put that on the taboo list as well [8|]

Darkspire

[Twotribes]

ORIGINAL: Darkspire

ORIGINAL: PipFromSlitherine

ORIGINAL: warspite1


warspite1

Nothing we can do about it - its what the earth has done since the dawn of time.

Let's not go here guys. It will just lead to locking.

Cheers

Pip

So it is not just political, religious or conspiracy theories that are not allowed to be discussed but also environmental issues as well?? Anything else? How about breakfast cereal? So many choices that are sure to collide there, best put that on the taboo list as well [8|]

Darkspire

Climate change aka Global warming IS politics.

[PipFromSlitherine]

ORIGINAL: Darkspire

ORIGINAL: PipFromSlitherine

ORIGINAL: warspite1


warspite1

Nothing we can do about it - its what the earth has done since the dawn of time.

Let's not go here guys. It will just lead to locking.

Cheers

Pip

So it is not just political, religious or conspiracy theories that are not allowed to be discussed but also environmental issues as well?? Anything else? How about breakfast cereal? So many choices that are sure to collide there, best put that on the taboo list as well [8|]

Darkspire

Climate change is about as charged a political issue as exists. Indeed, it covers almost all the areas you mention (probably including breakfast cereal if you look at cornbelt desertification [;)]).

Places like the Ars comments threads are a good place to see how quickly any discussion descends.

We are obviously walking a line between free discussion and keeping the forums welcoming.

Cheers

Pip

[WarHunter]

ORIGINAL: warspite1
Nothing we can do about it - its what the earth has done since the dawn of time.

Figure i better get this in before things are said that don't pertain to the history of weather.
Cool site of English winter weather history, since the 17th Century.

1658: A 'wild stormy night' when roofs were blown down, as well as Chimneys. Noted as the night Oliver Cromwell died.

1665: In November, a deep depression was recorded, possibly the lowest recorded in London, of 931 millibars! Still stands today?

1962-63: A famous winter.Very cold. Mid November saw snow in the South West. Late December (commensing Boxing Day: the start of the bitter cold) saw blizzards in Southern England. London had 12 inches of drifting snow. January and February had widespread falls, especially Devon and North East England with 2ft. Very Snowy. My mum, 12 at the time, and dad, 11, keep telling me stories of how long they were away from school for. The snow in Hampshire was supposedly as deep as the hedgerows were high! People managed to walk on the tops of the frozen shrubbery, rather than risk driving through the deep snow! An amazing winter.

1978-79: The last really severe, snowy winter, for now anyway, and one my parents go on about! Late December falls of 6-7n inches in Southern Scotland and the North East started it off. It was very cold in parts. Mid February saw drifts of 6-7 feet on the East coast of England. Mid March had severe blizzards and drifting, in North Eastern England drifts reached a staggering 15 feet! Very snowy.

2009/10
December 2009 started on a mild note but it wasn't to last and from mid-month temperatures dipped with some widespread falls of snow. The cold continued right through Christmas and toward new year, which meant it was another cold December with temperatures widely 2-3c below average.
More cold and snowy weather greeted us in the new year and this continued through much of the first half of January before milder air returned for a while, although the cold did make a return by the end of the month.
The cold theme then carried through into February and although it was often cold and frosty initially,later in the month bought some major falls of snow - especially in Scotland.
Overall the winter was around 2c colder than average making it the coldest winter since 1978/9. It's also worth noting that northern Scotland saw it's coldest winter on record!

http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?acti ... er-history

[OttoVonBlotto]

It's the UK it's always raining but true this year has been a bit worse than normal, I live on the south coast in a river valley I have had to put on Wellingtons to take the dog for a walk since mid November we will get over it and have hose pipe bans within 2 years. [;)] man made global warming or just a normal shift in weather patterns matters little when the water is rising towards your home you can still do very little about it.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Kineas

It's called climate change. We should do something about it.

warspite1

Nothing we can do about it - its what the earth has done since the dawn of time.

Naw! Mankind should be wholly responsible for variable fluctuations in the environment. There's nothing else that could possibly explain the circumstance. [8|]

[Kineas]

That debate has been settled, update your bookmarks guys. Humans are responsible.

Yeah, I admit it wasn't nice but I just can't resist bringing up the topic in threads like this. Foolishly hoping the facts (which are more convincing year by year) will help some people to reconsider.

If we can't even talk about the issue on a general forum then we are really in trouble.

[PipFromSlitherine]

The problem is that people's belief or not falls very much along political lines. Even the fact that the word 'belief' is the standard for discussion of a fact-based physical phenomena shows that it is unfortunately as hard to discuss as religion.

So lets keep this thread on current weather in the UK and just avoid the snark and flames that are already beginning to appear (you know who you are...).

Cheers

Pip

[Orm]

How is the situation now, Wodin? Has your father recovered? Have you gotten the house dry or is it risk for additional water damage?

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Has the water levels begun to sink now?

[Zovs]

I believe in climate change, it generally happens four times a year, spring, summer, winter and fall.

Been that way for at least four thousand years, won't change, well this or that year may or may not be a little hotter/colder then before but its all the same.

Wait ten minutes it will be sunny/rainy/windy/snowy, etc.

There are two things that will always be true in this world. We are all going to die one day and we all have to pay taxes. I really wish we did not have to pay taxes.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: PipFromSlitherine

The problem is that people's belief or not falls very much along political lines. Even the fact that the word 'belief' is the standard for discussion of a fact-based physical phenomena shows that it is unfortunately as hard to discuss as religion.

So lets keep this thread on current weather in the UK and just avoid the snark and flames that are already beginning to appear (you know who you are...).

Cheers

Pip

warspite1

Well I know a lot of people were upset about the Scottish Independence thread being closed down. It was an entirely civilised, grown-up debate with give and take on both "sides".

This one on the other hand I entirely see why you would lock this if post 27 is the standard

Kineas, you can have an opinion - and that will be respected (albeit argued against). But to state as FACT that the debate has been settled, that humans are to blame, that the facts are becoming more evident year by year, is just complete and utter rubbish. I may be right, I may be wrong in my opposite view, but I do not state the debate has been settled - for the simple reason that it hasn't.

One question though before signing off on this thread. How many carbon emitting humans were on the earth the last time the ice disappeared from the poles?

[PipFromSlitherine]

Guys, come on. Please. Just stay on the topic of UK weather. Any more AGW posts, even in rebuttal, and the thread will be locked. Sorry.

Cheers

Pip

[Orm]

Cheers, Pip.

So how is the weather where you reside?

Here it has been snowing today but it all melted away during the afternoon. I heard a rumour that a lot more snow is expected tomorrow but I believe it when I see it.

[catwhoorg]

Met Office officially says it is the wettest winter ever.

From my perspective thankfully, my parents and other relatives have not been badly affected.
It has been a terrible tragedy for so many.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: catwhoorg

Met Office officially says it is the wettest winter ever.

From my perspective thankfully, my parents and other relatives have not been badly affected.
It has been a terrible tragedy for so many.

warspite1

The bizarre thing is that we are only a dry summer and a dry winter away from another drought [X(]

[Orm]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: catwhoorg

Met Office officially says it is the wettest winter ever.

From my perspective thankfully, my parents and other relatives have not been badly affected.
It has been a terrible tragedy for so many.

warspite1

The bizarre thing is that we are only a dry summer and a dry winter away from another drought [X(]

Is it often draught in England? I thought it always rained some during the summer and rained plenty during the winter.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Orm

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: catwhoorg

Met Office officially says it is the wettest winter ever.

From my perspective thankfully, my parents and other relatives have not been badly affected.
It has been a terrible tragedy for so many.

warspite1

The bizarre thing is that we are only a dry summer and a dry winter away from another drought [X(]

Is it often draught in England? I thought it always rained some during the summer and rained plenty during the winter.

warspite1

Two years ago we were about to be hit with hosepipe bans and all sorts - it hasn't stopped raining since.

Yes, all it needs is a couple of dry winters and we run short of water.

[catwhoorg]

Not that bizzare at all, there just isn't the reservoir capacity* to cope with the water demand for an extended period.

If it doesn't rain, they start emptying.

*The North East aside. Keilder, Cow Green and Derwent were build to serve the demands of water intensive heavy industry, that isn't there anymore. The increase in domestic use pales by comparison.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: catwhoorg

Not that bizzare at all, there just isn't the reservoir capacity* to cope with the water demand for an extended period.

If it doesn't rain, they start emptying.

*The North East aside. Keilder, Cow Green and Derwent were build to serve the demands of water intensive heavy industry, that isn't there anymore. The increase in domestic use pales by comparison.

warspite1

Its pretty bizarre when Somerset is a giant lake, ground water levels are full to bursting, and just about every river seems to be bursting its banks...

[Zorch]

Read this, and swallow hard.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... wZ_ZfldXd8