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ORIGINAL: Alfred
obvert,
There are also pilot penalties.
Yes, in some circumstances it is worth it, and not in others.
Alfred
ORIGINAL: obvert
ORIGINAL: Alfred
obvert,
There are also pilot penalties.
Yes, in some circumstances it is worth it, and not in others.
Alfred
I have heard this but not seen big effects from it in game. Only with extended use at low levels, daily. I suspect you mean increases in fatigue and decreases in morale?
ORIGINAL: wneumann
4) Specialize your pilot training squadrons for specific skills and keep them training in that skill. A fighter training squadron set for Air skill training (Escort mission) should be kept training in that skill – in this example, pilots that become fully trained in the Air skill should be transferred out of the air unit and replaced with new pilots untrained in the Air skill. Once a training squadron is set to train pilots in a particular skill, avoid changing the type of skill set for the squadron unless there’s an absolute need to do so (which should not be often) – changes of this kind will often disrupt your pilot training organization.
Thanks Alfred. The B-25 variants I used worked for skip bombing - in my experience it appeared the specific plane type used for skip bombing could be relevant in effectiveness of a skip bombing mission, though I had no specific reference to confirm or deny this or providing any details as to how skip bombing worked. The conclusions I reached were based pretty much on personal experience and my estimates from it.Any level bomber can skip bomb. The difference is that only Attack Bombers do not suffer the altitude penalties when skip bombing whereas other Level Bombers do. Also AB are equipped to suppress enemy flak.
ORIGINAL: Alfred
ORIGINAL: obvert
ORIGINAL: Alfred
obvert,
There are also pilot penalties.
Yes, in some circumstances it is worth it, and not in others.
Alfred
I have heard this but not seen big effects from it in game. Only with extended use at low levels, daily. I suspect you mean increases in fatigue and decreases in morale?
Read post #39 from TheElf in this thread.
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Alfred
The Elf
Attack bomber functions as:
1. Altitude set <6000, attack altitude is "low level". >6k' they are treated as normal LB at altitude selected.
2. AB flights are split up into pairs (or two pairs against land targets) if low level (doctrinal)
3. Due to the order of combat, the pair bomb target at 100 and then strafe at 100.
4. Strafing by AB adds to flak suppression. Higher SKILL_STRAFE value (70+) increases suppression more.
5. Non-attack Level Bombers bombing at <1000 gain a higher fatigue from the firing Flak.
6. Bombing accuracy for non-attack LB attacking at <6000 with low morale or high disruption is lowered.
7. Bombing accuracy of LB against TF at <7000 is reduced. AB accuracy is increased <6000.
@ Mike Sholl
8. No experience/skill minimum to execute an attack by non-AB planes but the attack impacted as mentioned above.
ORIGINAL: CaseLogic
ORIGINAL: wneumann
4) Specialize your pilot training squadrons for specific skills and keep them training in that skill. A fighter training squadron set for Air skill training (Escort mission) should be kept training in that skill – in this example, pilots that become fully trained in the Air skill should be transferred out of the air unit and replaced with new pilots untrained in the Air skill. Once a training squadron is set to train pilots in a particular skill, avoid changing the type of skill set for the squadron unless there’s an absolute need to do so (which should not be often) – changes of this kind will often disrupt your pilot training organization.
I'm sorry, but where is this documented?
I tried searching, but couldn't come up with anything.
My squadrons all train a pilot from start to finish, i.e. a fighter squadron trains air skill to 70, then I switch the training mission to ground attack at 100' to train up strafe. This seems to work just fine.
Right now (spring 43) I have a few frontline squadrons in quiet areas traning lowNav because all pilots are already at 70/70/70 Air/Def/Strafe.
The only mechanics I can think of is that the specialized squadron method ensures that past the initial slog you'll have a higher mean xp in your training squadrons, and that might impact training speed. You also ensure that you don't have pilots sitting at 70 "waiting" for the stragglers to finish before switching the mission. A good portion of them will get quite a few points up from 70 is so doing though, so I feel it's justified. It feels good pulling a 0 missions replacement into a squadron at 73-75 air skill.
Are there other mechanics apart from this that means you should have specialized training squadrons?
I don't really think I'll change my method anyway (The added micro of pulling specific pilots into the "secondary" training squadrons would be a chore), but knowing is always nice.
ORIGINAL: margeorg
OK,
as I´m looking at this diagram, a classic question pops up again: Escort training at 10k altitude? In other threads it was postulated that escort training should happen at maximum altitude and range 0. So what is correct now?
@Richlove: Which taskplanner is this?
If I forget and put a group in training at a high altitude, let's say 30,000 ft just for example, I have noticed fatigue accumulates faster. I think I've seen an effect for even 20,000 ft but it is much less.ORIGINAL: castor troy
ORIGINAL: margeorg
OK,
as I´m looking at this diagram, a classic question pops up again: Escort training at 10k altitude? In other threads it was postulated that escort training should happen at maximum altitude and range 0. So what is correct now?
@Richlove: Which taskplanner is this?
the altitude doesn't matter at all but the range does. If you set them to range 0 they will accumulate less fatigue. Easily tested, just use two equal squadrons, keep one at 0 range and the other at max range. Now
depending on the max range you might quickly notice that the 0 range squadron stays in the average fat range around 6 or 7 while the max range squadron jumps up to 20 fat or so, depending on the max range. And no,
the max range squadron isn't gaining more skill.
ORIGINAL: richlove
Since I devoted the time to make this, I figured I'd share it. This is how I'm going to structure my training tracks going forward. Thanks to those here that answered my questions.
ORIGINAL: JocMeister
Out of curiosity. Do many people "dual train" their pilots? The only pilots I dual train are Naval strike pilots who gets NavB or NavT together with NavS. All my other pilots are "singel skill".
This image has been downloaded one time~! Thanks Obvert.ORIGINAL: obvert
ORIGINAL: richlove
Since I devoted the time to make this, I figured I'd share it. This is how I'm going to structure my training tracks going forward. Thanks to those here that answered my questions.
Interesting diagram.
Here is one for the IJ side, with very a very approximate time scale. Mainly just to give an idea of the relative, not the absolute time for training in various areas.
I'm not sure the altitude used really matters for the most part. For escort training, any altitude above 1000' should work. Pilots will train for strafing when altitude of their squadron is set to 100'. For bombing, I've used 1000" for low level training, any altitude higher than that to train for high level attack.I've never heard about using max altitude for escort training.
