If you don't stop whining, and start fighting, I'm going to lash you to the wall in the Dreadfort dungeon and cut you in places that really hurt.
Bolton
GJ (Allies) - Mr.Kane (Japan) - The allies declare their defeat
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If you don't stop whining, and start fighting, I'm going to lash you to the wall in the Dreadfort dungeon and cut you in places that really hurt.
Bolton
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The towel is thrown
Jan 27, 28, 29, 1945
The allies try a decisive blow against Singapore, the fortress that has become a nail in their flank.
The base, with its 2000 planes based there, is a constant threat to the allied Sumatra and Java.
Sweeps and bombers all arrive from there.
On the 26th, after several days of sweeps, 300 japanese bombers attacked Osthaven, closing the fields and destroying 100 planes on the ground.
Just the last humiliation of a long serie.
So the allies decide to react.
At the same time a general attack is ordered against Batavia. The base, after months of constant and daily bombings, should be now starving. A mature fruit to take.
On the 27th and 28th, 6 SCTFs (8 fast BBs, 10 CAs, 10 CLs and countless number of DDs), supported by a CV/CVE Fleet with more than 3500 a/c, attack Singapore Harbour, defended only by some MTBs and Es.
Bombardment runs are set to 18k, in order to avoid the mines.
It's a disaster:
1 BB, 2 CLs and 2 CAs are sunk.
4 BBs are out of the war for 6 months (at least, cause the closest port is CT).
20 DDs are sunk and 18 more are badly damaged.
The fields are bombed anyway...for two days in a row...300 planes destroyed on the ground...but the base is far from being closed.
Actually, on the 29th, the allies retire their fleet and launch the air operation.
450 4Es and more than 700 fighters are thrown against the fortress.
Another disaster.
We find more than 600 planes on CAP...despite the heavy losses of the previous days.
450 of my planes are shot down. More than 250 4Es. The rest are damaged and with so low morale that they cannot be used for weeks.
And, above all, Singapore is still operative.
Batavia, on the other hand, held off the Attacks. In 4 days my divisions are down to 50% of their TOE. more than 20k losses in 3 days. Batavia holds and inflict a serie of 1-2...
I'm lost. I'm down on my knees.
My will of fighting is broken.
I've lost the war. The allies have lost. their peoples had enough of deaths. too many sons lost in the skies, on the ground (remember the 300K men lost in Burma in 1943, right?) and on the seas.
My strategy failed everywhere. I even failed to shut down a single base like Ponape...
I've been beaten. Hard to say, hard to admit, but i overstimated my capabilities.
I sued for peace. That's what i just wrote to Mr.Kane (Tom):
Dear Tom,
i'm beaten. I'm throwing the towel. White flag for me
I am lost. My strategies have all failed. My tactics have revealed unconclusive (to say the least).
On the ground i've lost all the battles i've fought.
On the seas, despite having now HUGE numbers, i'm unable to do anything of valour.
In the air, i keep on losing battle after battle.
My morale is really low. Frustrated and down.
You have really taught me an hard lesson. You won all the battles and exploited all the mistakes i've made.
Too fast, too solid for me.
Hat's off to you and i'm sorry i haven't been able to be a better and harder opponent...i think i've overstimated my abilities...still have lot to learn.
The allies still are far from reaching the 1-1 in terms of VPs...and we're in Feb 1945.
My divisions have failed to conquer the key places, losing months against objectives that are still far from being conquered, and are now in really bad shape.
My logistic is poor, despite having all the POWER of the late allied industrail machine. My fault. My blame.
My will of fighting is broken. Hard to say but it's the true.
My strategy (or what i call "strategy") has shown to be a complete mistake, just like when i lost 300,000 men in Burma in 1943. If i was a real general i would have been fired 3 or 4 times by now.
The last 3 days of battle against Singapore (i call it the 3rd battle for Singapore) ended with the distruction of the allied surface fleet and the allied 4E air fleet... for no gain at all. And 6 months ago i got exactly the same result. You played it masterfully, while i simply did everything wrong.
I don't see how can i be anywhere near Japan by Jan 1946.
I am sorry. I am really sorry, but i give up.
Yours is the victory. A very well deserved one.
You are a great player and, above all, a great opponent.
A friend by now (i hope).
Hope you understand me
Yours
Nic
The allies try a decisive blow against Singapore, the fortress that has become a nail in their flank.
The base, with its 2000 planes based there, is a constant threat to the allied Sumatra and Java.
Sweeps and bombers all arrive from there.
On the 26th, after several days of sweeps, 300 japanese bombers attacked Osthaven, closing the fields and destroying 100 planes on the ground.
Just the last humiliation of a long serie.
So the allies decide to react.
At the same time a general attack is ordered against Batavia. The base, after months of constant and daily bombings, should be now starving. A mature fruit to take.
On the 27th and 28th, 6 SCTFs (8 fast BBs, 10 CAs, 10 CLs and countless number of DDs), supported by a CV/CVE Fleet with more than 3500 a/c, attack Singapore Harbour, defended only by some MTBs and Es.
Bombardment runs are set to 18k, in order to avoid the mines.
It's a disaster:
1 BB, 2 CLs and 2 CAs are sunk.
4 BBs are out of the war for 6 months (at least, cause the closest port is CT).
20 DDs are sunk and 18 more are badly damaged.
The fields are bombed anyway...for two days in a row...300 planes destroyed on the ground...but the base is far from being closed.
Actually, on the 29th, the allies retire their fleet and launch the air operation.
450 4Es and more than 700 fighters are thrown against the fortress.
Another disaster.
We find more than 600 planes on CAP...despite the heavy losses of the previous days.
450 of my planes are shot down. More than 250 4Es. The rest are damaged and with so low morale that they cannot be used for weeks.
And, above all, Singapore is still operative.
Batavia, on the other hand, held off the Attacks. In 4 days my divisions are down to 50% of their TOE. more than 20k losses in 3 days. Batavia holds and inflict a serie of 1-2...
I'm lost. I'm down on my knees.
My will of fighting is broken.
I've lost the war. The allies have lost. their peoples had enough of deaths. too many sons lost in the skies, on the ground (remember the 300K men lost in Burma in 1943, right?) and on the seas.
My strategy failed everywhere. I even failed to shut down a single base like Ponape...
I've been beaten. Hard to say, hard to admit, but i overstimated my capabilities.
I sued for peace. That's what i just wrote to Mr.Kane (Tom):
Dear Tom,
i'm beaten. I'm throwing the towel. White flag for me
I am lost. My strategies have all failed. My tactics have revealed unconclusive (to say the least).
On the ground i've lost all the battles i've fought.
On the seas, despite having now HUGE numbers, i'm unable to do anything of valour.
In the air, i keep on losing battle after battle.
My morale is really low. Frustrated and down.
You have really taught me an hard lesson. You won all the battles and exploited all the mistakes i've made.
Too fast, too solid for me.
Hat's off to you and i'm sorry i haven't been able to be a better and harder opponent...i think i've overstimated my abilities...still have lot to learn.
The allies still are far from reaching the 1-1 in terms of VPs...and we're in Feb 1945.
My divisions have failed to conquer the key places, losing months against objectives that are still far from being conquered, and are now in really bad shape.
My logistic is poor, despite having all the POWER of the late allied industrail machine. My fault. My blame.
My will of fighting is broken. Hard to say but it's the true.
My strategy (or what i call "strategy") has shown to be a complete mistake, just like when i lost 300,000 men in Burma in 1943. If i was a real general i would have been fired 3 or 4 times by now.
The last 3 days of battle against Singapore (i call it the 3rd battle for Singapore) ended with the distruction of the allied surface fleet and the allied 4E air fleet... for no gain at all. And 6 months ago i got exactly the same result. You played it masterfully, while i simply did everything wrong.
I don't see how can i be anywhere near Japan by Jan 1946.
I am sorry. I am really sorry, but i give up.
Yours is the victory. A very well deserved one.
You are a great player and, above all, a great opponent.
A friend by now (i hope).
Hope you understand me
Yours
Nic
RE: The towel is thrown
Sorry Nic. That sucks.
This is one where the system allowing so many late war planes is just too much to handle. Mr Kane used them beautifully, but as we all know the Allies should be able to eventually win out in the air. If they can't this is the result, and I'm sure he's not happy ending the game here either. [:(]
This is one where the system allowing so many late war planes is just too much to handle. Mr Kane used them beautifully, but as we all know the Allies should be able to eventually win out in the air. If they can't this is the result, and I'm sure he's not happy ending the game here either. [:(]
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill
RE: The towel is thrown
Wow. Just wow!
Congratulations to Mr Kane. Good for you giving it the best, Nic.
Congratulations to Mr Kane. Good for you giving it the best, Nic.
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RE: The towel is thrown
ORIGINAL: obvert
Sorry Nic. That sucks.
This is one where the system allowing so many late war planes is just too much to handle. Mr Kane used them beautifully, but as we all know the Allies should be able to eventually win out in the air. If they can't this is the result, and I'm sure he's not happy ending the game here either. [:(]
To be honest, Erik, it's not just the air war. Surely there i have been having problems against MrKane since the beginning and, lately, things got even worse.
But he won, hands down, also on the ground and on the seas. He used SLs and forts in a way i've never seen. Always fast in replaying to my moves and counterattacking. On the seas, he has used his force very rationally, and won several decisive battles.
And mines...wow....at Singapore, in the three battles fought there, i think i have lost half of my fleets just to mines. Never seen anything like that.
Learnt a lot. Really.
In a word: a complete and total defeat. I have no excuses. If the allies do not even reach parity in VPs by feb 1945 it means they have lost. Sic et simpliciter.
Better to accept it, swallow it, learn the lesson, and move over
RE: The towel is thrown
And a great game it was. Thanks to you both.
RE: The towel is thrown
It is kind of sad. Another of my favorite AARs bites the dust.
RE: The towel is thrown
ORIGINAL: EHansen
It is kind of sad. Another of my favorite AARs bites the dust.
The war is over not because the AAR bites the dust. The other way around actually. The AARs ends because Japan wins the war.
As some has said (i think was Pax) in my other game against QBall, where the allies threw the towel in april 1944, there are not many ways for the japanese player to win this game: an autovictory in terms of VPs or deteriorating the allied morale to a point where we can assume the western national wills to keep on fighting are no longer present. In this case, i assume that my morale is a rapresentation of the allied countries' national morales. Peoples are tired of deaths without any major victory. The last battle for Singapre was a kind of a final stress test... The clear japanese victory has given the last result of that test.
In prespective i can easily say that i made too many mistakes, strategically more than tactically.
The absence of a "plan B" for every of my major operations is probably the real reason for this failure. I have been to slow to adapt to the results of the battles, too slow to change plans, too stubborn to change plans when the first one was trashed by the enemy's reaction. In a word: i've been missing all those important features that make a good general out of an average soldier who can only follow orders.
Mr.Kane, on the other hand, has shown a very clear overall plan, rationale and flexible. He had in mind the final goal and, seeking it, he has always shown the intelligence to adapt, to change the pattern even if always following the same general route in order to "get there".
RE: The towel is thrown
Commiserations on your loss and thank-you for an interesting AAR.
I think MrKane is a very tough opponent.
I think MrKane is a very tough opponent.
RE: The towel is thrown
ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
ORIGINAL: obvert
Sorry Nic. That sucks.
This is one where the system allowing so many late war planes is just too much to handle. Mr Kane used them beautifully, but as we all know the Allies should be able to eventually win out in the air. If they can't this is the result, and I'm sure he's not happy ending the game here either. [:(]
To be honest, Erik, it's not just the air war. Surely there i have been having problems against MrKane since the beginning and, lately, things got even worse.
But he won, hands down, also on the ground and on the seas. He used SLs and forts in a way i've never seen. Always fast in replaying to my moves and counterattacking. On the seas, he has used his force very rationally, and won several decisive battles.
And mines...wow....at Singapore, in the three battles fought there, i think i have lost half of my fleets just to mines. Never seen anything like that.
Learnt a lot. Really.
In a word: a complete and total defeat. I have no excuses. If the allies do not even reach parity in VPs by feb 1945 it means they have lost. Sic et simpliciter.
Better to accept it, swallow it, learn the lesson, and move over
I get it. I'd like to have some info on his side to see what the heck is going on over there. Makes me wonder if there was anything left close to the Home Islands.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill
RE: The towel is thrown
ORIGINAL: obvert
ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
ORIGINAL: obvert
Sorry Nic. That sucks.
This is one where the system allowing so many late war planes is just too much to handle. Mr Kane used them beautifully, but as we all know the Allies should be able to eventually win out in the air. If they can't this is the result, and I'm sure he's not happy ending the game here either. [:(]
To be honest, Erik, it's not just the air war. Surely there i have been having problems against MrKane since the beginning and, lately, things got even worse.
But he won, hands down, also on the ground and on the seas. He used SLs and forts in a way i've never seen. Always fast in replaying to my moves and counterattacking. On the seas, he has used his force very rationally, and won several decisive battles.
And mines...wow....at Singapore, in the three battles fought there, i think i have lost half of my fleets just to mines. Never seen anything like that.
Learnt a lot. Really.
In a word: a complete and total defeat. I have no excuses. If the allies do not even reach parity in VPs by feb 1945 it means they have lost. Sic et simpliciter.
Better to accept it, swallow it, learn the lesson, and move over
I get it. I'd like to have some info on his side to see what the heck is going on over there. Makes me wonder if there was anything left close to the Home Islands.
I think I can answer.
Luzon and Mindanao are heavily fortified and crowded with divisions, AAs, engineers and base forces.
Formosa too.
As far as I can tell, a part from the Divisions holding Batavia, Balikapan, Palembang and Singapore, there's nothing that really worth between the present front line and the Philippines. Probably Japan is empty but he really doesn't need to have anything there at the moment.
With Hokkaido and the western Kuriles heavily fortified, with the Mariannas, PI and Formosa too, he has a perimeter strong enough. The KB (fully operative) is enough to prevent any hail mary allied move to bypass those strongpoints.
He had evacuated, at the very right time, everything from Burma and Thailand and now was moving back from central china to a safer perimeter. A sound strategy, perfectly executed and helped by the slow pace of the allied advance (slow pace determined by the presence of those fortresses that couldn't be safely bypassed - Singapore, Palembang, Batavia, Kendari, Truk-Ponape)
RE: The towel is thrown
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jan 27, 45
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Singapore at 50,84, Range 9,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
E Yasoshima, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
E Kuri, Shell hits 16, and is sunk
E Tsuga, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
E Hishu, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
E Kiku, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
Allied Ships
BB King George V
BC Renown
CA London
CA Suffolk, Shell hits 1
CA Cumberland
DD Quadrant
DD Queensborough
DD Quilliam
DD Racehorse
DD Relentless
DD Wager
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TF 98 encounters mine field at Singapore (50,84)
Allied Ships
DD Relentless, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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TF 287 encounters mine field at Singapore (50,84)
Allied Ships
DD Stockham, Mine hits 1
DD Dortch, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
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TF 518 encounters mine field at Singapore (50,84)
Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Mine hits 2
CA Canberra II, Mine hits 1
CA Wichita, Mine hits 2, heavy damage
DD William Porter, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
DD McKee, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Healy, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
DD Halligan, Mine hits 1, on fire
DD Guest, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CA Baltimore, Mine hits 1
DD Porterfield, Mine hits 1
DD Philip, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD O'Bannon, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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TF 519 encounters mine field at Singapore (50,84)
Allied Ships
BB Richelieu, Mine hits 1
BB Indiana, Mine hits 2
DD Izard, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hoel, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hazelwood, Mine hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hall, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Bradford, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Beale, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Brown, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
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Night Naval bombardment of Singapore at 50,84 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 12 damaged
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-67-Ib Peggy: 26 damaged
Ki-67-Ib Peggy: 3 destroyed on ground
H6K4-L Mavis: 14 damaged
H6K4-L Mavis: 1 destroyed on ground
A7M2 Sam: 7 damaged
A7M2 Sam: 2 destroyed on ground
N1K5-J George: 9 damaged
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 damaged
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-94-II: 2 damaged
Ki-94-II: 1 destroyed on ground
E15K1 Norm: 3 damaged
E15K1 Norm: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-67-Ia Peggy: 1 damaged
Ki-67-Ia Peggy: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-83: 1 destroyed on ground
D4Y4 Judy: 1 damaged
D4Y4 Judy: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-46-III Dinah: 4 damaged
Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 destroyed on ground
L2D2 Tabby: 8 damaged
L2D2 Tabby: 2 destroyed on ground
G4M2e Betty: 14 damaged
G4M2e Betty: 2 destroyed on ground
A6M8 Zero: 2 damaged
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-84r Frank: 5 damaged
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed on ground
J7W1 Shinden: 3 damaged
N1K2-J George: 4 damaged
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed on ground
H8K2 Emily: 9 damaged
H8K2 Emily: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 2 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-49-II KAI Helen: 1 damaged
80 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
BB King George V, Shell hits 1
BC Renown
CA Cumberland
CA Suffolk
CA London
DD Racehorse
DD Quilliam
DD Queensborough
DD Quadrant
Japanese ground losses:
221 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 13 destroyed, 18 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 11 (2 destroyed, 9 disabled)
Vehicles lost 7 (3 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Airbase hits 17
Runway hits 28
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Night Naval bombardment of Singapore at 50,84 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 9 damaged
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed on ground
B7A2 Grace: 26 damaged
B7A2 Grace: 1 destroyed on ground
G4M2e Betty: 11 damaged
G4M2e Betty: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-83: 56 damaged
Ki-83: 11 destroyed on ground
Ki-67-Ib Peggy: 11 damaged
Ki-67-Ib Peggy: 1 destroyed on ground
H6K4-L Mavis: 40 damaged
H6K4-L Mavis: 4 destroyed on ground
N1K5-J George: 21 damaged
N1K5-J George: 2 destroyed on ground
J1N1-S Irving: 13 damaged
J1N1-S Irving: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 6 damaged
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed on ground
A7M2 Sam: 10 damaged
A7M2 Sam: 3 destroyed on ground
Ki-84r Frank: 6 damaged
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed on ground
J7W1 Shinden: 4 damaged
J7W1 Shinden: 1 destroyed on ground
L2D2 Tabby: 3 damaged
L2D2 Tabby: 2 destroyed on ground
E15K1 Norm: 4 damaged
E15K1 Norm: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 3 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed on ground
H8K2 Emily: 9 damaged
H8K2 Emily: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-46-III Dinah: 2 damaged
D4Y1-C Judy: 1 damaged
D4Y1-C Judy: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-100-II Tony: 3 damaged
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-94-II: 2 damaged
Ki-94-II: 1 destroyed on ground
D4Y4 Judy: 4 damaged
D4Y4 Judy: 1 destroyed on ground
126 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
BB North Carolina, Shell hits 2
CL Birmingham
CL Biloxi
CL Trenton
DD Rowe
DD McGowan
DD Foote
DD Colahan
DD Chevalier
DD Brownson
DD Braine
DD Bache
DD Ammen
Japanese ground losses:
236 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 32 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 16 (1 destroyed, 15 disabled)
Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 47
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Night Naval bombardment of Singapore at 50,84 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 52 damaged
Ki-83: 8 destroyed on ground
Ki-67-Ib Peggy: 37 damaged
Ki-67-Ib Peggy: 5 destroyed on ground
G4M2e Betty: 5 damaged
G4M2e Betty: 3 destroyed on ground
N1K2-J George: 4 damaged
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 7 damaged
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 5 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 3 destroyed on ground
H6K4-L Mavis: 20 damaged
H6K4-L Mavis: 6 destroyed on ground
N1K5-J George: 10 damaged
N1K5-J George: 4 destroyed on ground
Ki-84r Frank: 7 damaged
Ki-84r Frank: 3 destroyed on ground
Ki-49-II KAI Helen: 2 damaged
Ki-49-II KAI Helen: 1 destroyed on ground
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed on ground
L2D2 Tabby: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 damaged
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed on ground
H8K2 Emily: 9 damaged
H8K2 Emily: 1 destroyed on ground
D4Y4 Judy: 4 damaged
D4Y4 Judy: 3 destroyed on ground
E15K1 Norm: 1 damaged
Ki-46-III Dinah: 2 damaged
Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 destroyed on ground
B7A2 Grace: 8 damaged
B7A2 Grace: 4 destroyed on ground
A6M8 Zero: 9 damaged
A6M8 Zero: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-67-Ia Peggy: 3 damaged
Ki-94-II: 4 damaged
Ki-94-II: 1 destroyed on ground
18 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
BB Richelieu
BB Alabama
DD Boyd
Japanese ground losses:
557 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 12 destroyed, 30 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 19 (3 destroyed, 16 disabled)
Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 21
BB Richelieu firing at Singapore
BB Alabama firing at Singapore
DD Boyd firing at Wake Coastal Gun Battalion
Wake Coastal Gun Battalion firing at DD Boyd
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TF 469 encounters mine field at Singapore (50,84)
Allied Ships
CL Newfoundland, Mine hits 1, on fire
DE Express, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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Night Naval bombardment of Singapore at 50,84 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 9 damaged
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed on ground
N1K2-J George: 5 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 4 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 2 destroyed on ground
J7W1 Shinden: 14 damaged
J7W1 Shinden: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 34 damaged
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 5 destroyed on ground
Ki-83: 10 damaged
Ki-83: 1 destroyed on ground
A7M2 Sam: 5 damaged
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-67-Ib Peggy: 33 damaged
Ki-67-Ib Peggy: 3 destroyed on ground
N1K5-J George: 7 damaged
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed on ground
L2D2 Tabby: 2 damaged
L2D2 Tabby: 1 destroyed on ground
B7A2 Grace: 5 damaged
B7A2 Grace: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-49-II KAI Helen: 2 damaged
Ki-49-II KAI Helen: 1 destroyed on ground
G4M2e Betty: 3 damaged
H8K2 Emily: 2 damaged
E15K1 Norm: 2 damaged
E15K1 Norm: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-94-II: 4 damaged
Ki-94-II: 1 destroyed on ground
210 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
CL Richmond, Shell hits 3
CL Kenya
CL Ceylon
CL Sumatra
Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 18
...the subsequent naval attacks of Graces sunk what was left of all those damaged ships, slowly moving back to safety...
This is just an extract of part of what happened at Singapore... consider that, 6 months ago, many more of these attempts were launched, and the results had been even uglier...
However, one would think that after all these naval bombardments, the base would have been pretty trashed, right? The low Japanese service rating fighters would be grounded at least, right?
Look what my bombers found....
orning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84
Weather in hex: Moderate rain
Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 42,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 41
A7M2 Sam x 81
J7W1 Shinden x 73
N1K2-J George x 87
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 36
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 210
Ki-83 x 137
Ki-84r Frank x 39
Ki-100-II Tony x 49
These guys alone managed to shoot down 200 of my fighters (sweep and escort), plus 150 4Es. More 100 4Es were destroyed by the heavy flak and by op losses (flying at 15K).
And this was just the last attempt, the one that really broke my spirit. This battle was preceeded by days and days of defeats in the air. With every a/c used. At every altitude used. With whatever setting you could imagine. Nothing worked.
Now, if you posed the question "could the allies go on?", my answer would be yes.
For sure the allies could keep on fighting. They have so much...their OOB is so generous... but could the allies advance towards the HI with a chance of getting in range Japan by late 1945? My answer would be "No".
The Japanese, this time, have won. No question about that
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Singapore at 50,84, Range 9,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
E Yasoshima, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
E Kuri, Shell hits 16, and is sunk
E Tsuga, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
E Hishu, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
E Kiku, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
Allied Ships
BB King George V
BC Renown
CA London
CA Suffolk, Shell hits 1
CA Cumberland
DD Quadrant
DD Queensborough
DD Quilliam
DD Racehorse
DD Relentless
DD Wager
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TF 98 encounters mine field at Singapore (50,84)
Allied Ships
DD Relentless, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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TF 287 encounters mine field at Singapore (50,84)
Allied Ships
DD Stockham, Mine hits 1
DD Dortch, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
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TF 518 encounters mine field at Singapore (50,84)
Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Mine hits 2
CA Canberra II, Mine hits 1
CA Wichita, Mine hits 2, heavy damage
DD William Porter, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
DD McKee, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Healy, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
DD Halligan, Mine hits 1, on fire
DD Guest, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CA Baltimore, Mine hits 1
DD Porterfield, Mine hits 1
DD Philip, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD O'Bannon, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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TF 519 encounters mine field at Singapore (50,84)
Allied Ships
BB Richelieu, Mine hits 1
BB Indiana, Mine hits 2
DD Izard, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hoel, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hazelwood, Mine hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hall, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Bradford, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Beale, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Brown, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
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Night Naval bombardment of Singapore at 50,84 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 12 damaged
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-67-Ib Peggy: 26 damaged
Ki-67-Ib Peggy: 3 destroyed on ground
H6K4-L Mavis: 14 damaged
H6K4-L Mavis: 1 destroyed on ground
A7M2 Sam: 7 damaged
A7M2 Sam: 2 destroyed on ground
N1K5-J George: 9 damaged
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 damaged
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-94-II: 2 damaged
Ki-94-II: 1 destroyed on ground
E15K1 Norm: 3 damaged
E15K1 Norm: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-67-Ia Peggy: 1 damaged
Ki-67-Ia Peggy: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-83: 1 destroyed on ground
D4Y4 Judy: 1 damaged
D4Y4 Judy: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-46-III Dinah: 4 damaged
Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 destroyed on ground
L2D2 Tabby: 8 damaged
L2D2 Tabby: 2 destroyed on ground
G4M2e Betty: 14 damaged
G4M2e Betty: 2 destroyed on ground
A6M8 Zero: 2 damaged
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-84r Frank: 5 damaged
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed on ground
J7W1 Shinden: 3 damaged
N1K2-J George: 4 damaged
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed on ground
H8K2 Emily: 9 damaged
H8K2 Emily: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 2 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-49-II KAI Helen: 1 damaged
80 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
BB King George V, Shell hits 1
BC Renown
CA Cumberland
CA Suffolk
CA London
DD Racehorse
DD Quilliam
DD Queensborough
DD Quadrant
Japanese ground losses:
221 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 13 destroyed, 18 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 11 (2 destroyed, 9 disabled)
Vehicles lost 7 (3 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Airbase hits 17
Runway hits 28
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Night Naval bombardment of Singapore at 50,84 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 9 damaged
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed on ground
B7A2 Grace: 26 damaged
B7A2 Grace: 1 destroyed on ground
G4M2e Betty: 11 damaged
G4M2e Betty: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-83: 56 damaged
Ki-83: 11 destroyed on ground
Ki-67-Ib Peggy: 11 damaged
Ki-67-Ib Peggy: 1 destroyed on ground
H6K4-L Mavis: 40 damaged
H6K4-L Mavis: 4 destroyed on ground
N1K5-J George: 21 damaged
N1K5-J George: 2 destroyed on ground
J1N1-S Irving: 13 damaged
J1N1-S Irving: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 6 damaged
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed on ground
A7M2 Sam: 10 damaged
A7M2 Sam: 3 destroyed on ground
Ki-84r Frank: 6 damaged
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed on ground
J7W1 Shinden: 4 damaged
J7W1 Shinden: 1 destroyed on ground
L2D2 Tabby: 3 damaged
L2D2 Tabby: 2 destroyed on ground
E15K1 Norm: 4 damaged
E15K1 Norm: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 3 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed on ground
H8K2 Emily: 9 damaged
H8K2 Emily: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-46-III Dinah: 2 damaged
D4Y1-C Judy: 1 damaged
D4Y1-C Judy: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-100-II Tony: 3 damaged
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-94-II: 2 damaged
Ki-94-II: 1 destroyed on ground
D4Y4 Judy: 4 damaged
D4Y4 Judy: 1 destroyed on ground
126 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
BB North Carolina, Shell hits 2
CL Birmingham
CL Biloxi
CL Trenton
DD Rowe
DD McGowan
DD Foote
DD Colahan
DD Chevalier
DD Brownson
DD Braine
DD Bache
DD Ammen
Japanese ground losses:
236 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 32 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 16 (1 destroyed, 15 disabled)
Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 47
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Night Naval bombardment of Singapore at 50,84 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 52 damaged
Ki-83: 8 destroyed on ground
Ki-67-Ib Peggy: 37 damaged
Ki-67-Ib Peggy: 5 destroyed on ground
G4M2e Betty: 5 damaged
G4M2e Betty: 3 destroyed on ground
N1K2-J George: 4 damaged
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 7 damaged
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 5 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 3 destroyed on ground
H6K4-L Mavis: 20 damaged
H6K4-L Mavis: 6 destroyed on ground
N1K5-J George: 10 damaged
N1K5-J George: 4 destroyed on ground
Ki-84r Frank: 7 damaged
Ki-84r Frank: 3 destroyed on ground
Ki-49-II KAI Helen: 2 damaged
Ki-49-II KAI Helen: 1 destroyed on ground
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed on ground
L2D2 Tabby: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 damaged
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed on ground
H8K2 Emily: 9 damaged
H8K2 Emily: 1 destroyed on ground
D4Y4 Judy: 4 damaged
D4Y4 Judy: 3 destroyed on ground
E15K1 Norm: 1 damaged
Ki-46-III Dinah: 2 damaged
Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 destroyed on ground
B7A2 Grace: 8 damaged
B7A2 Grace: 4 destroyed on ground
A6M8 Zero: 9 damaged
A6M8 Zero: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-67-Ia Peggy: 3 damaged
Ki-94-II: 4 damaged
Ki-94-II: 1 destroyed on ground
18 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
BB Richelieu
BB Alabama
DD Boyd
Japanese ground losses:
557 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 12 destroyed, 30 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 19 (3 destroyed, 16 disabled)
Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 21
BB Richelieu firing at Singapore
BB Alabama firing at Singapore
DD Boyd firing at Wake Coastal Gun Battalion
Wake Coastal Gun Battalion firing at DD Boyd
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TF 469 encounters mine field at Singapore (50,84)
Allied Ships
CL Newfoundland, Mine hits 1, on fire
DE Express, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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Night Naval bombardment of Singapore at 50,84 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 9 damaged
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed on ground
N1K2-J George: 5 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 4 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 2 destroyed on ground
J7W1 Shinden: 14 damaged
J7W1 Shinden: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 34 damaged
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 5 destroyed on ground
Ki-83: 10 damaged
Ki-83: 1 destroyed on ground
A7M2 Sam: 5 damaged
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-67-Ib Peggy: 33 damaged
Ki-67-Ib Peggy: 3 destroyed on ground
N1K5-J George: 7 damaged
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed on ground
L2D2 Tabby: 2 damaged
L2D2 Tabby: 1 destroyed on ground
B7A2 Grace: 5 damaged
B7A2 Grace: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-49-II KAI Helen: 2 damaged
Ki-49-II KAI Helen: 1 destroyed on ground
G4M2e Betty: 3 damaged
H8K2 Emily: 2 damaged
E15K1 Norm: 2 damaged
E15K1 Norm: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-94-II: 4 damaged
Ki-94-II: 1 destroyed on ground
210 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
CL Richmond, Shell hits 3
CL Kenya
CL Ceylon
CL Sumatra
Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 18
...the subsequent naval attacks of Graces sunk what was left of all those damaged ships, slowly moving back to safety...
This is just an extract of part of what happened at Singapore... consider that, 6 months ago, many more of these attempts were launched, and the results had been even uglier...
However, one would think that after all these naval bombardments, the base would have been pretty trashed, right? The low Japanese service rating fighters would be grounded at least, right?
Look what my bombers found....
orning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84
Weather in hex: Moderate rain
Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 42,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 41
A7M2 Sam x 81
J7W1 Shinden x 73
N1K2-J George x 87
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 36
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 210
Ki-83 x 137
Ki-84r Frank x 39
Ki-100-II Tony x 49
These guys alone managed to shoot down 200 of my fighters (sweep and escort), plus 150 4Es. More 100 4Es were destroyed by the heavy flak and by op losses (flying at 15K).
And this was just the last attempt, the one that really broke my spirit. This battle was preceeded by days and days of defeats in the air. With every a/c used. At every altitude used. With whatever setting you could imagine. Nothing worked.
Now, if you posed the question "could the allies go on?", my answer would be yes.
For sure the allies could keep on fighting. They have so much...their OOB is so generous... but could the allies advance towards the HI with a chance of getting in range Japan by late 1945? My answer would be "No".
The Japanese, this time, have won. No question about that
RE: The towel is thrown
couldn't you try to send more ground troops to attack Singapore ?
Adieu Ô Dieu odieux... signé Adam
RE: The towel is thrown
ORIGINAL: veji1
couldn't you try to send more ground troops to attack Singapore ?
At Singa were confirmed 130K men, with 800 guns.
In a +4 terrain and a river crossing, with probably 9 forts?
I've already experimented at Palembang... 35K Japanese (2 divisions) without any support troops, just a tank rgt and some AA units... 7 forts and +3 terrain... I bombed that damned place for 8 months, every single day... not a single attack worked. Not only a single fort could be put down.
A land attack at Singapore would have been a disaster.
Also consider that to even think about that, I would need an army 100% prepped. Means 3 more months of preparation lost. My divisions in Malaya (7 at the moment) were sieging (and so were fully prepped) for Kotha Baru, where the Japanese were defending with 90K men before they managed to evacuate them all under my nose.
Once Khota Baru fell, my units needed to immediately start preparing for another series of targets (I chose Taiwan and Hanoi for that Army)...
I think the only "good" solution for Singa was to cut it out of its supply routes (thing that I've done isolating it by land, conquering Malaya, and by sea, conquering NW borneo and Groot Nanotea) and to shut it down by air and sea bombings, so to simply be able to keep it closed and bypassing it.
Man...I was wrong
Consider that with SLs you cannot simply "bring more". An overstacked attack may mean half of your troops destroyed or disabled. And a trashed division in Java, Sumatra or Singapore, means that that unit, in order to be used for the next planned advance, needs at least 3 months of rest (hoping to have enough replacements in the pools, which, for some LCUs - brits for example - is not often the case).
When you reach Jan 1945 you need to start thinking about these timings... the health of your LCUs starts to become a primary objective, and so does the preparation, cause you cannot efford anymore a trashed LCU, just like you cannot efford to got a badly damaged major ship.
In 1945, a damaged CV, BB or CA is = to a sunk one. You cannot hope to use it anymore...it's out of the war. The same, imho, for a badly trashed LCU.
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castor troy
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RE: The towel is thrown
Singapore isn't an urban heavy hex, it's just an urban light.
RE: The towel is thrown
Can I see a strat map of the last turn you played? I'm curious as to how far you got.
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Cap Mandrake
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RE: The towel is thrown
Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 42,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 41
A7M2 Sam x 81
J7W1 Shinden x 73
N1K2-J George x 87
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 36
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 210
Ki-83 x 137
Ki-84r Frank x 39
Ki-100-II Tony x 49
Santa Maria!![X(]
RE: The towel is thrown
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
Can I see a strat map of the last turn you played? I'm curious as to how far you got.
Sure!
Here u go
In orange you can see what is the new defensive perimeter where the Japanese are moving to, based on my assumptions thanks to the intelligence reports.
Basically, when the game ended, the perimeter was:
Reaghen-Bankok in Thailand
Singapore in Malaya
South of Thuyun in China (moving down towards Canon)
Miri-Brunei and Balikapan-Samarinda in Borneo
Doggala-Kendari in the Celebes
Ambon-Lautem-Kai enlanded in the southern DEI
Horn Island, NG, upper solomons in SOPAC
Ponape-Truk-Mariannas in CENTPAC
With 3 strongpoints isolated and sieged: Singapore, Palembang and Batavia
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