Three Little Pigs: NY59Giants (A) vs Big Bad Wolf (J)

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BBW complained about the result of sending a little armored car unit across river from Changsha on March 31st.
Ground combat at 81,51 (near Changsha)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 12820 troops, 102 guns, 32 vehicles, Assault Value = 468

Defending force 69530 troops, 379 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1892

Assault collapses, survivors seek cover

Japanese ground losses:
1532 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 135 disabled
Non Combat: 15 destroyed, 20 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 36 disabled
Guns lost 10 (1 destroyed, 9 disabled)
Vehicles lost 44 (44 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
6th Division
8th Armored Car Co

Defending units:
37th Chinese Corps
99th Chinese Corps
73rd Chinese Corps
74th Chinese Corps
18th Chinese Corps
44th Chinese Corps
79th Chinese Corps
5th Construction Regiment
19th Group Army
27th Group Army
41st AA Regiment

I was kind of surprised to see it trigger a shock for both the armored car and full division.
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Does that mean they did not make the crossing? I've never seen that.

The division was already on the other shore and the AC triggered an attack by both? I thought it was no matter what if you crossed into enemy hexes across a river you had to have 1:1. That makes sense. Cripes I'm still a newb, or boob.....I prefer...
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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Welcome aboard Rook749!!

To take on Japanese KB, I tend to form an Allied "Death Star" for '42 and beyond. I always add an additional Marine fighter group (18 planes) to all American CV except Wasp. Its nice to have 45 fighters per CV even if they are all Wildcats.

I agree 100%, the American Carriers need to be stuffed with the extra fighter unit as there are not enough to protect and project power without the unit.
ORIGINAL: ny59giants
[8D] I already have the 25th Division prepping for Christmas at Pearl. This is RA, so there are some changes in Allied OOB along with Japanese. I have CLV Charlotte with 12 fighters and 12 DBs. I get parts of the French fleet at start and their two BCs in a few months. Despite losing Prince of Wales on day one to an I-boat, I will have about 18 BBs (new and old) by mid-42. His attack at Pearl was largely ineffective as I get the last BB repaired in less than 5 months.

Add in the British CV/CVLs that can be used in mid-42 until they withdraw, I'll have about 600 carrier based planes by May and more if I wait for Wasp in mid-June. The question I need to figure out is where to use them?? The Line Islands or South Pacific are likely. Looking at John 3rds AAR and I can match numbers briefly in mid-42 vs Japanese carriers, but he may have better pilots. In RA, there are dedicated "Training Groups" for the Americans - 3 Navy, 2 Marine, and 3 Army. So, when Hornet just came in, I was able to fill out her air groups with highly trained pilots. This will help me out later.

I'll PM you my comments later tonight as I don't want to tip my hand to AirGiff as we both have been reading the forums for advice, ideas and things put in the book of though shall not do, ever, nope not ever.
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The war to date, in review: December '41

KB1 = CV Akagi, CV Kaga, CVL Ryujo
KB2 = CV Zuikaku, CV Shokaku, CVL Zuiho
KB3 = CV Hiryu, CV Soryu, CVL Shoho

Dec 7th:
Pearl is hit by KB1 & 2 with lighter than normal damage. Only 3 TT get hits and all BBs will be repaired by mid-42.[:)]
Manila is hit by KB3 and shore based bombers. My subs take it hard and 9 are sunk outright.
Landings at Kota Bharu & Kuantan in Malaya. On Luzon, the 4 ID comes ashore at Iba while the 21 ID lands at San Fenando.
I-165 hits Prince of Wales with 3 TT hits and in round two gets 2 more TT hits. She sinks on 8th!![X(]

Dec 8th:
Mines are found the hard way at Bataan and Singapore.
Landings at Makin, Guam, Kuching, and Mersing.
BB Mutsu is off Singkawang with DDs
Captured - Iba, San Fernando, Kota Bharu, Port Dickson via para, Makin, Kuantan

Dec 9th:
Landings at Kuching, Aparri, Singkawang, Tarawa
BB Mutsu & Nagato now at Singkawang
KB1 & 2 are north of Pearl, but separate
Captured - Kuching, Tarawa

Dec 10th:
Landings at Kavieng, Davao
Rabaul - 4 CA & 4 DDs bombard base
Captured - Guam & Singkawang
KB2 is headed for Midway; KB1 is 27 east of Midway; KB3 is SW of Manila

Dec 11th:
Landings at Wake (CD guns take their toll [:D]), Manado (CL Marblehead & DDs sinks a few transports), Jesselton
Captured - Wake, Lingayen, Port Dickson (back to Allies), Kavieng, Davoa, Ternate
KB1 is now MIA!!!

Dec 12th:
Landings at Atimonan, Miri
Singapore sees first significant Zero sweeps
KB3 is off north Borneo
KB2 is MIA!

Dec 13th:
Manila has Zero sweeps continue and my P-40s are getting slaughtered. [:(]
Captured - Nauru, Mersing (two Aussie brigades do well enough to allow the recombined 11th Indian Division to get into Singapore), Miri, Atimonan (A-24 Banshees get a few hits on his CA/CL covering transports)

Dec 14th:
Landings at Baker
RO-67 gets a TT hit on CA Salt Lake City at Canton. CV Lex and Enterprise TF double back to be west of Canton as I don't spot any CVs.
Captured - Baker & Kluong

Dec 15th:
Landings at Brunei & Legaspi
KB2 shows up 9 NW of Baker

Dec 16th:
KB2 is 1 NE Baker and CVEs are 5 NE Kendari. Lex & "E" move to SW of Canton. I'm reluctant to have a CV vs CV battle at this point.

Dec 17th:
Landings at Tarakan (CD guns and subs are the best the Dutch have to offer at this point)
KB3 off Morotai
Captured - Clark & Manado

Dec 18th:
Tarakan - Zeros provide LRCAP and my DBs take it hard.
Captured - Tavoy & Cotabato

Dec 19th:
Landings at Canton
Captured - Brunei

Dec 20th:
BC Repulse gets 2 TT hits off Exmouth by I-153. Damage is 19-50(42)-4
Captured - Johore Bahru (the siege of Singapore has begun)

Dec 21st:
KB3 is NE of Manus and CVEs are south of Jolo
Landings at Rabaul by 1 China Assault Division

Dec 22nd:
Captured - Rabaul, Tarakan
Palembang is hit from the air and transport start to unload
Moulmein holds after failed para drop

Dec 23rd:
Captured - Palembang, Port Blair (para) but my fighters from Singapore have already gotten to Burma/India
KB1 shows up 28 hexes EAST of Christmas (1300 miles). CL Detroit, AP (one that can convert to APA in 43), 4 xAK, DD are sunk.

Dec 24th:
KB1 is now at (204,133) 34 ENE of Christmas
Intel shows 38 ID at Mersing

Dec 25th:
Captured - Bataan

Dec 26th:
[>:]

Dec 27th:
CV Enterprise gets a TT hit from I-2 south of Melbourne. Damage is 6-28(15)-0. I made a rookie mistake of thinking I could get here or Sydney without finding a sub. Should have used a base like Adelaide to refuel. She heads to NZ with Lex.

Dec 28th:
Port Moresby is visited by BB Ise & Hyuga, 6 DDs
Captured - Malacca, Mergui

Dec 29th:
CL Mauritus is sunk by I-156 NW of Colombo

Dec 30th:
Cagayan sees BB Yamashiro, Fuso, and Nagato
Ground bb attack 3 due east of Sian is 1599:647 which means I did something wrong as I need this hex to set up a MLR in this area.

Dec 31st:
I lose the battle to east of Sian and retreat. This clears a direct path to Sian. Massive retreat to and through Sian is begun.
Manila - first ground bb is 1189:1910
Captured - Buin, Port Dickson

Overview:
Situation in China, especially in greater Sian area is at risk after the defeat to east of this base. I have seen the tanks from Manchuria in this area. J3 had given Japan 1000 PP at start and BBW used some to buy out lots of tanks. I had done relatively well in getting troops back out of clear terrain, but some had retreated to bases that get them cut off and die eventually. The re-spawn bug is discovered.

Luzon - with stacking limits, I'm back into Manila and hope to get forts up to 3. Any more takes too long and uses too many supplies.

Malaya - I was able to react fast enough to get significant forces into Singapore before the early landing at Mersing could cut them off.

Warships - The loss of PoW was a surprise. Enterprise getting a TT hit hurt my plans to get two American CVs over to SRA to join CLV Charlotte and CVL Hermes. I made mistake in leaving Saratoga in San Diego until end of month to join Yorktown. She should have left immediately and then had warships to form escorts leave Pearl to SE as soon as KB1 & 2 were far enough away from Pearl after a few days.
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Suscribed. Good luck !!![8D]
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The war to date....January '42

Jan 1st:
The 4 older CAs bombard Port Moresby (most have been transported out of base, some end up at Horn Island). 1st China Assault Div and Gds Mixed Brigade invade.

Jan 2nd:
Landings at Jolo and Kendari (CAs Ashigara, Maya, Nachi, Myoko, Haguro bombard base)
An evacuated Moumlein falls, so does Port Moresby, and Taiping

Jan 3rd:
Landings at Buna and Tulagi
Captured - Kendari

Jan 4th:
Ambon bombarded by BB Yamashiro, Fuso, and Nagato
Caprtured - Buna and Tulagi

Jan 5th:
Landings at Horn Island (reloaded 1st China Assault Division) and Palmyra (Naval Guards)
Captured - Horn (I tried to place BFs and infantry here to see if I could hold it. Didn't work!! [:@])
KB1 is at (184,175) which is 13 ENE of Tahiti. Sunk are 2 KV, PG, and xAP. BBW is following in J3s footsteps!!

Jan 6th:
KB1 is now just 8 East of Tahiti (181,178)
I was able to get 2 AVPs to Penrhyn with supplies. A PBY group operates here. [:)]

Jan 7th:
Tahiti is bombarded by BB Kirishima and Hiei. [X(]
Palmrya sees two American CLs and 4 DDs bombard the base.
Captured - Kuala Lumpur and Changchow
KB1 at 11 NE Tahiti
Ships are 5 NW of Dutch Harbor

Jan 8th:
Merak's PT boats attacked by CA Mogami, Mikuma, Suzuya, Kumano
Palmrya sees two more American CLs hit his troops. I still hold base.
Ships are 8 SE of Palmrya while KB1 is 14 east of Penrhyn

Jan 9th:
Captured - Umnak
KB1 is 11 SSE of Christmas (I have PBYs at Johnson, Christmas, and Penrhyn to get naval search)

Jan 10th:
KB1 is 10 SW of Christmas

Jan 11th:
Palmrya sees SS Grayling vs 3 DDs
Captured - Ambon
Landings at Adak
KB1 is 15 SW of Christmas

Jan 12th:
KB1 remains stationary at 15 SW of Christmas while KB2 shows up at 17 SW of Pearl.
CV Lex and Enterprise are slowly moving east from Aukland with CLV Charlotte. CV Saratoga and Yorktown are near Pearl.
Line Islands are cut off from any reinforcements efforts. A construction units and combat engineer have been diverted from here to Hiva Oa.

Jan 13th:
KB1 stationary
BB Hyuga, Ise 6 DDs hit Christmas

Jan 14th:
KB1 stationary while KB2 is 9 west Palmrya
Manila - ground bb shows 4, 16, & 48 ID, 65 Bde, and 10 x FA

Jan 15th:
Palmrya - a second Nav Gds land and shock is 7:12[:)]
Two CV TF are 5 NW Palmrya while KB1 is stationary.

Jan 16th: BIG Day!!
Koepang sees CA Nachi, Haguro, Myoko
Singapore - CD guns erupt as BBW accidentally sends Transport TF to Johore Bharu. All are sunk!! [8D]
Toungoo sees an attempt to para drop and destroy my two AVG groups. Thankfully, it fails.
Landing at Christmas by 1st Sasebo Assault Division and 5th BF. Base quickly falls!! [:(]
Singapore sees Japanese troops come across. EIGHT DIVISIONS!!!! [X(] [X(]
21, 38, 5, 18, 56, 33, 55, 2 while Imp Gds is in middle of peninsula
KB1 is 5 ESE Canton while others are 5 NNW of Palmrya

Jan 17th:
Manila sees first deliberate attack 677:2937 and lowers forts to 2. Casualties are 7735 J vs 735 A
CVs 10 WNW Palmrya

Jan 18th:
[>:]

Jan 19th:
Benkoelen captured by 21st Mixed Brigade

Jan 20th:
1 SE Changsha falls and my forces retreat. This opens up a hexside to clear terrain to the bases in greater Changsha area. I'm forced to decide what to do and start a general retreat to avoid getting cut off in most of southern China.
2 SE Sian sees another defeat as my troops are forced to retreat.
Palmrya holds 17:25

Jan 21st:
Landing at Fanning Island and shock is 1:3

Jan 22nd:
Temuleh captured

Jan 23rd:
Koepang sees BB Yamashiro, Fuso, 6 DDs
South of Adak has CV Saratoga and Yorktown show up and sink 7 xAKs and AMC
Captured - Fanning
Ships are 6 NE Pago Pago and 7 NNE of Koumac

Jan 24th:
Pago Pago is bombarded by BB Hiei, Haruna, Kongo, Kirishima, 2 CAs
Palmrya holds again 3:28
An evacuated Pingsiang is captured

Jan 25th:
Koumac - CA Canberra, CL Perth, 2DDs had been disbanded in port next to base and now strike at unescorted invasion TF. 16 A-24s and 18 Vindicators from Noumea get their licks in. 3 PB, 18 xAKs are sunk. [:D]
Singapore sees second deliberate attack and forts drop to 2
Landing at Koepang with 124 Rgt

Jan 26th:
Captured - Koepang

Jan 27th:
The retreated transports from Koumac are found by CA Canberra, CL, and 2 DDs 2 west Lugnaville. Another 22 xAKs are hit, but none are known to sink.
Captured - Oosthaven
CVs 11 EEN of Pago Pago

Jan 28th:
Pago Pago sees more bombardments by BB Kirishima, Hiei, Haruna, Kongo, CA Tone, Chikuma
Palmrya is bombarded by BB Hyuga, Ise, 4 DDs
Captured - Kukong
CVs are 6 SE Canton (It is becoming obvious that Canton is his hub to resupply his CVs and BBs)

Jan 29th:
Singapore FALLS!!!
Captured - Loewoek & Pegu

Jan 30th:
Captured - Palmrya 51:6 and empty Sian
Ships are 6 NE of Noumea

Jan 31st:
Noumea is bombarded by CA Kako, Furutaka, Kinugasa, Aoba, 4 DDs
Balikpapan is bombarded by CA Haguro, Myoko
Medan sees CA Mogami, Mikuma, Suzuya, Kumano, 5 DDs attack my ML and MMS that retreated from Sinagpore

Overview:
Singapore - it took longer to fall than I thought with 8 divisions attacking. I'm learning that BBW likes to bring overwhelming force and lots of artillery to his attacks.

China - I'm in general retreat around Sian and now in the south from the bases near Changsha as my MLR was breached. My respawning Corp are very weak. Most have less than 50 rifle squads rather than the normal 200 plus. Ouch!!

South and Central Pacific - This is my first game losing the Line Islands. [:(] [X(] Now it seems both Pago Pago and New Calendonia will be under assault in February. Unable to recombine my American CVs into a "Death Star" and with CV Enterprise needing yard time, what to do?? CV Lex and Enterprise will head for Panama entry points in south and then make way to San Diego for repairs.

SLOC - the normal shipping routes to NZ and OZ are either blocked or at great risk of being interdicted by CV/CVLs and/or SC TF operating out of Line Islands. Thus, most of my troops head for Eastern USA and then the month plus transit time to Port Stanley. Ships head out of west coast to Eastern USA via Panama to load supplies and fuel for Port Stanley. Thus, the month of February will be just shifting of forces away from west coast to new bases in South Pacific. A totally new logistic network will be used for this game...for the time being. [;)]
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For Jim & Larry,

Here is a screenshot of my 4e bombers. There are a few more not listed, but most of those are the HQ groups with 4 of less planes. The 19th BG is mostly in India and doesn't withdraw until Oct or Nov '42.

I've lost only 3 of the D models to date (April 4th) and none of the E model.

With loss of Line Islands and Pago Pago, I cannot get them over to NZ or OZ from Pearl. So, I'm building up the Marquesas Islands to get them there. In your game vs J3, you will need to go through Cape Town.

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Dutch - What to do with them?? [&:]

My screenshot shows the few LCUs I spend PP on and relocated to Perth for rebuilding. There are three BFs plus an AA here. Missing is the Makassar BF that is over in NZ to be used soon to supply Aviation Support (AS) at Raoul Island (NE of Aukland). DO NOT recombine them as you lose a lot of their Aviation Support. [:-] Speaking of Aviation Support, I spend PP on the two 100 AS BFs that are based at Batavia and Soerabaja early on. I then use Dutch PBYs and for the last part of the journey, other PBY/Catalina to send a fragment to India and Australia for rebuilding once Java falls. North to Sabang, Port Blair, Chittagong, and over to Bombay and south to Koepang, Darwin, march to Alice Spring, and then to Sydney. As an Allied players knows, there is never enough AS. Having an extra 200 AS in mid-42 is helpful. [:)]

Ships - I salvage what I can and I now have two of the ARDs that started in Soerabaja at Adelaide. They need to be in Escort TF with high Endurance xAKs to refuel from daily. They stayed three hexes or more off the west coast of Australia to avoid subs after Repulse was torpedoed. One is a 20k capacity ARD and along with an AR can repair anything from a CA and smaller. Subs end up being based out of Colombo and/or Calcutta. There are too few British subs to do the job off the coast Burma to Malaya.

Air - As you lose those crappy planes, I Disband them into other groups, but move most of the pilots into Reserve. I allow them to Reform in 120 days as this will occur at Aden. In RA, I added my desire to get a trickle of pilots and some of the American planes that they use to produce through late 42. They will be used on the west coast of India to allow the British/Indian/CW groups to be used at the front lines.

The one thing I don't move away or use later is the Dutch CD guns. As any Japanese player knows, they can be nasty on transports. [:D] What I didn't see from BBW was placing CAs or BBs in his Amphib TF to soak up the shell hits. I highly recommend this practice.

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The war to date...February '42

Key: bb = bombardment

Feb 1st:
Ships at 16 SW Johnson Island (is this base next??)
Ships 4 NE Pago Pago
Ships 9 North Koumac (coming back for round two??)
CVs at 9 East Canton (PBYs from Penryhn)

Feb 2nd:
Wuchow - BB Matsu & Nagato, 6 DDs bombard base for first time.
CVs at 6 SW of Christmas

Feb 3rd:
Makassar is bombarded by BB Yamashiro & Fuso, 6 DDs (BBW loves his BBs in this role)
CVs at 6 SSE Christmas (looking and/or waiting for what??)

Feb 4th:
Pago Pago - I have 2 xAKs sunk by I-1 as I wanted to pull out the P-40B group which doesn't have the transfer range to get to someplace safer.
CVs at 7 SW Christmas

Feb 5th:
Koumac - 15 Zeros on LRCAP from CVL Ryujo down 12 DBs from my A-24s and Vindicators as transports get ready to unload. [:(] Intel shows that 80 Inf Rgt is landing.

Feb 6th:
Landing at Koumac
Wenchow sees the BB TF again

Feb 7th:
Empty Koumac falls.
Deliberate attack at Wenchow brings forts down to 0.
Taung Gyi is captured by Tank Rgt that moved up roads around Toungoo which has the 1st Burma Division there. My forward defense in Burma lacks depth behind it!! [:-]

Feb 8th: JAVA!!
Landing at Kalidjati by 38 ID. The Dutch Air Force gets slaughtered by LRCAP of Zero and Oscars, but I did get 4 bomb hits on his transports.

Feb 9th:
Toungoo - empty base is now Japanese as I head SW to 'try' to get to jungle and safety for 1st Burma and BF....NOT!!
Landing at Makassar by 1st Kure Assault Division
Meiktila falls to his Tank Rgts... Kalidjati falls as he lands 4 BFs today behind 38 ID
CVs at 7 North Koumac
Hiva Oa has AF to 2 as I start the SE Pacific build up.

Feb 10th:
Pago Pago visited by BB Hyuga, Ise, 4 DDs
2 NW of Sian sees 44 Sally against my stack that has stacking limit (SL) of 80k in Rough terrain. I will learn that defending in a hex with this high SL is not going to end well. [:-]

Feb 11th:
Wenchow falls after the troops are bombarded by BB Mutsu & Nagato. Makassar is also captured.
Landings at Balikpapan & Wewak
53 Sally hits those troops NW of Sian

Feb 12th:
CA Mogami is SUNK by KXVI with 2 TT hits NW of Billiton!! [:D]
Captured - Bassien, Bandoeng
Intel reports 33 ID at Moulmein.

Feb 13th:
Landings at Semarang & Aitape, Dutch Air Force tries to get at transports, but LRCAP from Kalidjati only allows two bombs to hit transports.

Feb 14th:
Landing at Samarinda
59 Sally hit those troops 2 NW of Sian while there is now 97 Lily hitting AF at Manila.
Captured - empty Semarang and LaFoa (80 Inf, 5 Air HQ, 3x Constr, 2x Ind Eng)

Feb 15th:
Ships 4 west of Savaii

Feb 16th:
Pago Pago is visited by BB Kirishima, Hiei, CA Chikuma
Intel reports 5 ID at Semarang

Feb 17th:
Routine air attacks at Batavia, Changsha, Manila, 2 NW Sian

Feb 18th:
Batavia has ground bb by 2 ID
Captured - Balikpapan
Landing at Pago Pago by 1st Sasebo Assault Division, 79 Inf, 2x BF

Feb 19th:
Captured - Padang, Rangoon (by 33 ID), Buitenzorg (SW Batavia)

Feb 20th:
Pago Pago - multiple BB TF hit base as BB Kirishima & Hiei, CA Chikuma then BB Hyuga & Ise

Feb 21st:
Noumea holds...101:250
Captured - Magwe & Hollandia
Hiva Oa - Port 3

Feb 22nd:
Captured - Derby (2, 4, 7 Tank)

Feb 23rd:
Sabang bb by CA Kumano, Suzuya, Mikuma
2 NW Sian attacked unsuccessfully 199:1101

Feb 24th:[>:]

Feb 25th:
Pago Pago bb by BB Kirishima & Hiei, CA Chikuma
Cocos bb by CA Nachi, Haguro, Myoko
Sabang bb by BB Yamashira & Fuso, 5 DDs

Feb 26th:
Landing at Gasmata
Ground bb at 3 SE Ankang, Changsha, 2 NW Sian, Manila, Pago Pago
Noumea holds as my well prepped French and dug in...47:187

Feb 27th:
Pago Pago bb by BB Hyuga & Ise
Landings at Finschhafen
2NW Sian is Japan's as I retreat across river and to NW into mtn terrain

Feb 28th:
Landings at Pago Pago by 78 Inf
Noumea holds again...88:223

Overview:
South Pacific - I was able to turn back the first effort at New Caledonia, but BBW is now down at Noumea. However, that lone infantry regiment will not be enough. Pago Pago will fall, but those two CD units are taking their toll on his transports. Subs off here and Canton have not been lucky enough to get a hit on any major warships. Troops and shipping headed for Port Stanley in mass.

CV Enterprise is repairing at San Diego.

Java is going to fall as there is at least three full divisions there. Southern Sumatra is Japan as the troops left from Palembang are pushed north.

China - a slow steady retreat in north. However, Chinese Corp are having more and more of them with disabled infantry which doesn't help when the SL is over 10k against the hexes limit. I don't have the troops to rotate in and give the beat up Corp a month or two to recover.

BBW LOVES to use his CAs and BBs in BB TFs!! [:D]
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18th goes to Perth, so where will go the 6th and 7th aussies divisions ?
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18th goes to Perth, so where will go the 6th and 7th aussies divisions ?

Calcutta.

American 41st at Cocanada and 40th still at Cape Town, but prepping or base in India.
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The war to date...March '42

Key:
bb = bombardment

March 1st:
Captured - Broome (empty) and Lae (empty)
Pago Pago - bb by BB Kirishima, Hiei, CC Chikuma & CA Kako, Kinugasa
Manila - now has 110 Lily bombing AF, destroying supplies

March 2nd:
Landings at Tandjoengbalai (55 ID)
Pago Pago - 123:49 and forts down to 1
Noumeqa - 18:163 [:)]

March 3rd:
Ground bb at Manila, Changsha, Batavia (these occur almost daily)
Pago Pago - 194:65 and forts to 0
Captured - Banjoewangi (southern tip Java by 90 Inf & 8 Tk)

March 4th:
Pago Pago - BB Hyuga & Ise
1 SW of Magwe - the trapped 1st Burma Div is bb

March 5th:
Batavia - 2677:879 by 2, 5, 18, 38 ID
Captured - Madioen

March 6th:
Pago Pago - captured finally 144:39

March 7th:
Ground combat at Changsha (82,52)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 91662 troops, 769 guns, 160 vehicles, Assault Value = 3161

Defending force 41339 troops, 202 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1154

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 3

Japanese adjusted assault: 3529

Allied adjusted defense: 4609

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
7908 casualties reported
Squads: 53 destroyed, 790 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 69 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 39 disabled

Allied ground losses:
3090 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 143 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 79 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Guns lost 15 (1 destroyed, 14 disabled)

Assaulting units:
17th Division
56th Infantry Brigade
87th Infantry Regiment
3rd Division
58th Division
12th Ind.Mixed Brigade
39th Division
88th Infantry Regiment
40th Division
70th Division
2nd Ind.Mixed Regiment
China Expeditionary Army
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
12th Army
1st Mortar Battalion
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
13th Army
4th Mortar Battalion
17th JAAF Base Force

Defending units:
73rd Chinese Corps
74th Chinese Corps
99th Chinese Corps
17th Chinese Base Force
19th Group Army
27th Group Army
9th War Area
29th Group Army
41st AA Regiment

KB is 13 east Aukland!! My Aussie SC TF runs Full Speed for Christchurch.

March 8th:
Chittagong - CA Kumano, Mikuma, Suzuya
Batavia - 2439:935 forts down to 1
KB is 6 east of Aukland (BBW is John 3rd "JR" as he looks for more shipping with KB)

March 9th:
Cocos - CA Nachi, Haguro, Myoko, Chokai, Atago, Takao
Landings at Madang & Luganville
KB at 6 SE Norfolk (headed for Australia??)

March 10th:
KB at 13 NE Aukland (guess Australia is not on the menu; plan to move forces to Lord Howe Island for a PBY group)
CV Hornet arrives at Panama (since RA has dedicated Training Groups for USA - [3 USN, 3 Army, 2 Marines], I'm able to fill out all her groups with highly trained pilots)

March 11th:
1 SW Magwe - troops eliminated

March 12th:
Landings at Wyndham (1st Kure Assault Div & 3 BF)

March 13th:
Captured - Batavia 1708:593

March 14th:
Landings at Lautem
CV Formidable at Cape Town

March 15th:
Ground bb at 3 NW Sian, Changsha, Manila

March 16th:
Landings at Tanna, Pantar, and Dora Harbor

March 17th:
Dora Harbor - I try to defeat the Nav Gds and BF Company 27:31

March 18th:
Dora - reloaded and headed for Umnak
Cocos - I had unloaded two of the 'at start' brigades here. They are now subject to massive bb by 6 CAs & 2 BBs
Captured - Shwebo & Langha

March 19th:
Ground bb at Changsha, Soerabaja, Manila, Noumea
Ships at 11 SSW of Kodiak (not CVs or BBs0

March 20th:
4 So Kodiak - BB Yamato, Nagato, Mutsu are attacked by 2 DB groups. Nagato gets 3 x 1000 bomb hits

March 21st:
Cairns - bb by BB Kirishima, Hiei, CA Chikuma (air groups moved out turn before)
Kodiak - BB Yamato & Mutsu (Nagato had been sent back home)
Manila
Ground combat at Manila (79,77)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 65490 troops, 784 guns, 570 vehicles, Assault Value = 2109

Defending force 57701 troops, 685 guns, 523 vehicles, Assault Value = 1470

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 2379

Allied adjusted defense: 2763

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
5065 casualties reported
Squads: 16 destroyed, 461 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 58 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 41 disabled
Guns lost 47 (1 destroyed, 46 disabled)
Vehicles lost 22 (4 destroyed, 18 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1008 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 79 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 79 disabled
Engineers: 10 destroyed, 16 disabled
Guns lost 25 (13 destroyed, 12 disabled)
Vehicles lost 31 (1 destroyed, 30 disabled)

Assaulting units:
4th Division
48th Division
21st Division
16th Division
65th Brigade
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
14th Army
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
Combined Fleet
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
3rd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
16th Army
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
57th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team
14th PS Engineer Regiment
11th PA Infantry Division
41st PA Infantry Division
91st PA Infantry Division
31st Infantry Regiment
1st PA Infantry Division
192nd Tank Battalion
71st PA Infantry Division
51st PA Infantry Division
4th Marine Regiment
21st PA Infantry Division
31st PA Infantry Division
2nd PA Constabulary Division
USAFFE
26th PS Cavalry Regiment
Cavite USN Base Force
Clark Field USAAF Base Force
3rd/45th PS Inf Battalion
1st USMC AA Battalion
II Philippine Corps Corps
200th & 515th Coast AA Regiment
803rd Engineer Aviation Battalion
194th Tank Battalion
Far East USAAF
PAF Aviation
Manila USAAF Base Force
Subic Bay Defenses


March 22nd:
Tahiti - an AK is sunk by I-8 as first resupply TF of war reaches this base.

March 23rd:
Ground bb at Soerabaja, Changsha, Noumea, 3 NW Sian

March 24th:
Cocos - 6 CA bb before 56 ID lands and captures base.
Changsha -
Ground combat at Changsha (82,52)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 79455 troops, 873 guns, 298 vehicles, Assault Value = 2976

Defending force 48724 troops, 240 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1239

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 6145

Allied adjusted defense: 6905

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
6211 casualties reported
Squads: 27 destroyed, 812 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 54 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 37 disabled
Guns lost 61 (4 destroyed, 57 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2436 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 216 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 25 (1 destroyed, 24 disabled)

Assaulting units:
3rd Division
88th Infantry Regiment
2nd Ind.Mixed Regiment
87th Infantry Regiment
39th Division
58th Division
8th Armored Car Co
70th Division
40th Division
12th Ind.Mixed Brigade
17th Division
3rd NCPC Infantry Brigade
2nd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
China Expeditionary Army
12th Army
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
4th Mortar Battalion
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
20th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
13th Army
12th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment
1st Mortar Battalion
10th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
74th Chinese Corps
73rd Chinese Corps
37th Chinese Corps
99th Chinese Corps
17th Chinese Base Force
19th Group Army
9th War Area
29th Group Army
27th Group Army
41st AA Regiment

March 25th:
Noumea - bb by BB Hyuga & Ise and then attack 219:109 forts down to 2. Gds Mixed Bde here now as the Inf Rgt wasn't enough.

March 26th:
Captured - Noumea 212:31

March 27th:
Landing at Nadi by 1st China Assault Division with CVLs Nisshin, Ryujo, Shoho, Zuiho providing LRCAP as my Hudsons fro Suva found out.
Captured - Tjilatjap 996:139 (2 & 5 ID)

March 28th:
Captured - Katherine by 2 & 4 Tk

March 29th:
Landing at Norfolk (captured)

March 30th:
Captured - empty Changsha

March 31st:
Cocos - O24 sinks CM Adzuma with 2 TT hits
Sabang - bb by BB Yamashira & Fuso

Overview:
China - the war of attrition continues to wear down my troops. Japan can divide their division to speed up recovery of disabled troops while my one time doing this resulted in more casualties to my troops. I don't have the forces available to rotated troops, so I've decided to retreat from major bases like Changsha as I cannot stay there with my losses. need hexes with lower stacking limits.

South Pacific - New Caledonia and Pago Pago fall while Suva will be under attack soon. Fuel to NZ has come via Port Stanley and along the southern map edge. Thankfully, I was able to get my TKs there before KB came looking off Aukland.

Java - I'm down to just Soerabaja, but BBW committed 5 divisions here.

Invasion Bonus - its over!![:)] India and most of Australia were not invaded so all is not bad.

Allied Fleet - most of the American, some French and Brits are at Alameda. April will see the big 4/42 to give me radar and my subs at various ports.

Port Stanley - transports, supply, fuel, and aircraft start to flow in from Eastern USA and the first TFs leave for places in SE corner of Pacific. Details to follow as actual game turn is April 8th.
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Never seen a PBEM on which Port Stanley tooks so much relevance.

The japanese is a bit overextended, u will be able to cut them easily on 1943.
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Who says I'm waiting until '43?? I already have troops prepping to take back some of the South Pacific. I don't have direct Intel on it, but KB is at Canton island.
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The war to date....April 1 thru 10 (now I'm caught up [:)])

Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; (*) = destroyed aircraft; If odds are italics, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons); FG fighter group = 25 fighter planes if American

April 1st:
China - 44 Sally hit troops 2 East of Kungchang; 1 NW Changsha 40 bombers (Ann, Mary, Lily)
SRA - Ground bb at Soerabaja
Manila - Deliberate attack gets good results for Japan 2144:1317 & forts down to 1.
SoPac - Ground bb ay Suva
Bases - Calcutta AF7; Karachi AF6; Dora Harbor AF3;

April 2nd:
China - 1 NW Changsha = 11 bombers; Changteh = 23 bombers; 2 east Kungchang = 39 Sally;
SRA - Soerabaja = 45 Lily while 18 Betty go after SC TF; ground bb; Sabang falls to 55 ID
Manila -101 Lily then a deliberate 1213:1173 and forts gone!!
SoPac - Suva sees BB Ise & Hyugu, 4 DDs and ground bb
Subs - O21 sinks CM Kamone west of Oosthaven [:D]
Bases - Perth AF6; Bangalore AF6;

April 3rd:
China - 1 NW Changsha = 11 bombers; 2 east Kungchang = 47 Sally; Changteh = 18 bombers; 1 SE Kungchang = ground bb
SRA - Soerabaja = 42 Sally & ground bb;
Manila - 100 Lily and ground bb;
SoPac -Suva sees those 2 BBs again; ground bb;
Subs - KXVI sinks xAK to east of Cocos;
Bases - Ledo AF4; Sydney AF9; Townsville P4; Lahore AF3;

April 4th:
China - 1 SE Kungchang = ground bb; 2 west Kungchang = 49 Sally; 1 NW Changsha = 9 bombers;
SRA - Soerabaja = 40 Sally & ground bb;
Manila - 100 Lily & ground bb
SoPac - Suva = ground bb
Subs - O21 at 2 WSW of Oosthaven = CV Hiyo TT x 2
Bases - Hiva Oa AF3

April 5th:
China - 1 SE Kungchang = 43 Sally & ground bb; 1 NW Cahngsha = 15 bombers; Changteh = 30 bombers; 2 west Kungchang = 22 Sally
SRA - Soerabaja = 36 Sally & ground bb;
Manila - 100 Lily & ground bb
SoPac - Suva = ground bb
Bases - Rapa F1;

April 6th:
China - 1 SE Kungchang = 42 Sally & ground bb; 1 NW Changsha = 13 bombers; Tienshui = 14 Sally; 2 east Kungchang = 22 Sally; Changteh = 18 bombers;
SRA - Soerabaja = 63 Sally & ground bb
Manila -
Ground combat at Manila (79,77)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 62479 troops, 791 guns, 572 vehicles, Assault Value = 1769

Defending force 47636 troops, 561 guns, 472 vehicles, Assault Value = 823

Japanese adjusted assault: 1874

Allied adjusted defense: 641

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Manila !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3391 casualties reported
Squads: 12 destroyed, 220 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 25 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 32 disabled
Guns lost 37 (1 destroyed, 36 disabled)
Vehicles lost 15 (1 destroyed, 14 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
25243 casualties reported
Squads: 2242 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 4320 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 93 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 667 (667 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 670 (670 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 28

Assaulting units:
21st Division
16th Division
48th Division
4th Division
65th Brigade
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
14th Army
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
3rd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
16th Army
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
Combined Fleet
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
11th PA Infantry Division
1st PA Infantry Division
91st PA Infantry Division
31st Infantry Regiment
51st PA Infantry Division
31st PA Infantry Division
21st PA Infantry Division
41st PA Infantry Division
71st PA Infantry Division
4th Marine Regiment
2nd PA Constabulary Division
Manila USAAF Base Force
200th & 515th Coast AA Regiment
Clark Field USAAF Base Force
Far East USAAF
3rd/45th PS Inf Battalion
26th PS Cavalry Regiment
II Philippine Corps Corps
192nd Tank Battalion
194th Tank Battalion
803rd Engineer Aviation Battalion
PAF Aviation
1st USMC AA Battalion
USAFFE
Cavite USN Base Force
14th PS Engineer Regiment
57th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team
Subic Bay Defenses

SoPac - Suva = ground bb
Bases - Tennant Creek AF3; Spokane AF6;

April 7th:
China - 1 SE Kungchang = 20 Sally & ground bb; 1 NW Changsha = 20 bombers; Changteh = 13 Lily; Tienshui = 13 Sally; 2 east Kungchang = 20 Sally;
SRA - Soerabaja = ground bb
SoPac - Suva = ground bb
Bases - Ichang F4; Eiao F2;
Intel - 18 ID loading for Wyndham

April 8th:
China - 1 SE Kungchang = 21 Sally & attack 695:190 with retreat NW AWAY from what I wanted [:(]; 1 NW Changsha = 11 bombers; Changteh = 22 Lily; Tienshui = 13 Sally; Ankang = 20 sally;
SRA - Soerabaja = 40 Sally and ground bb (2, 5, 38 ID)
SoPac - Suva = ground bb
Bases - Alice Springs AF4; Rapa F2 (located near southern map edge between NZ and Port Stanley)

April 9th:
China - Kungchung = 32 Sally; Kweilin = 31 Oscars with 81 Lily; 1 NW Changsha 8 bombers; Ankang = 15 Sally; 2 ENE Kweilin = ground bb;
SRA - Soerabaja = 39 Sally
Ground combat at Soerabaja (56,104)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 46986 troops, 516 guns, 251 vehicles, Assault Value = 1582

Defending force 12553 troops, 75 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 123

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 2973

Allied adjusted defense: 164

Japanese assault odds: 18 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Soerabaja !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), leaders(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
676 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 57 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled

Allied ground losses:
14184 casualties reported
Squads: 190 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 682 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 21 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 90 (90 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 13

Assaulting units:
38th Division
90th Infantry Regiment
5th Division
2nd Division
25th Army
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
Southern Army
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
3rd KNIL Landstorm Battalion
2nd KNIL Landstorm Battalion
Marinier Battalion
2 ML-KNIL Aviation
224 Group RAF
Commandement Marine
Banjoewangi Base Force
Artilleriecommando Coastal Gun Battalion
Soerabaja Base Force
Loemafjang Base Force
Madion Base Force
MLD
Malang Base Force
Australia - Port Hedland invaded;
SoPac - Tahiti = I-8 missing transports unloading;
Bases - Cairns P3; Christchurch F4;

April 10th:
China - Kweilin = 84 Lily; 1 NW Changsha = 11 bombers (Ann & Mary); Ankang = 19 Sally; 1 east Kungchang = deliberate 386:196, holding barely: 2 ENE Kweilin ground bb;
SRA - [>:]
Australia - Port Hedland = empty base now Japan; Fenton = ground bb (1st Kure Div, 2 & 4 TK)
SoPac - Suva = ground bb (Gds Mixed Bde now here)
Subs - I-24 at Tahiti sinks xAP with TT and then 3 more TT; thankfully she was empty, but I need Port to get to size 3 so another transport isn't sunk dockside;
Bases - Pearl F5; Perth AF7;
CVs at 5 No Exmouth!!

Overview:
Screenshot shows the situation in northern China. Troops had retreated to Kungchang vs Tienshui and will probably be destroyed.[:@] In the south it looks like the push towards kweilin is underway. His bombers are getting good supply hits at AFs, but enough supply is at Chungking to allow Rifle squad replacement. I've used almost 1500 to date and none are in the pool.

Suva is only outpost in SoPac. Efforts in SE Pacific to be described more fully soon as I'm caught up.

No noise coming out of Burma towards India.

Intel doesn't show any prepping for further invasions now that Manila and Java are captured.

BIG Question - What does BBW do now that non-China operations are done and he still has a large number of divisions doing nothing???


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Always nice to see the subs score a few hits.
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BBW is a player after my own heart. We've spoken about China on the phone. Do you think you can get him to run out of steam?
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China:

In the north, BBW is using 55 Sally almost daily. These groups have been operating for some time, so I would expect very good experience.There is significant forces at Kungchang and beyond that are probably gone, but I hope it takes time and some allocation of forces to destroy.

In the south, with Changsha his, his focus is now to the stack 2 ENE of Kweilin. 64 Lily are over here attacking Kweilin and Luichow AFs. This stack is gaining experience quickly and they are at or near the magical 50.

Overall, I don't think I can stop him. There are over 30 Japanese divisions in China, plus he has brought in tanks and heavy artillery from Manchuria. BBW has been relentless in his attacks since the beginning. However, I will fight for every inch here.
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ORIGINAL: zuluhour

Does that mean they did not make the crossing? I've never seen that.

The division was already on the other shore and the AC triggered an attack by both? I thought it was no matter what if you crossed into enemy hexes across a river you had to have 1:1. That makes sense. Cripes I'm still a newb, or boob.....I prefer...
[font="Courier New"]Just starting to read this AAR and saw this comment on shock attack. I recall reading that
sometimes a shock attack ordered for one unit will trigger other units to join in, especially if the commander has
high aggression. He just hates to be left out of the action, I guess. [/font]
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[font="Arial"]Now that you know his 5 CVs are off the WC of Oz, could you raid his resupply base at Canton Is. and kill some AKEs?[/font]
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