Advice on Japanese Strategy

[CrusssDaddy]

Those graphics could use sprucing up. How did this ever make it to market? Should I ask the developer for a refund of the purchase price? Oh, wait...

[Extraneous]

I have seen worse graphics on a game that was released.

Anyone have any constructive comments on Crussdaddys post.


I didn't and don't expect any from paulderynck (the troll).

[AxelNL]

ORIGINAL: Extraneous

I have seen worse graphics on a game that was released.

Anyone have any constructive comments on Crussdaddys post.


I didn't and don't expect any from paulderynck (the troll).

I think it is great he dared to post them. It is a bit unfair we are more or less being very negative on the content while he is finally doing this. I think his posts over the last couple of years probably have more to do with the "fired-from-the-hip" reactions of some of us. I did that also a couple of months ago, but it looks as if he is slowly starting to behave a bit more.
What I like is that it gives a comparison to the graphics we have now. I do think MWIF is one of the most beautiful computerised versions of any wargame I know.

[CrusssDaddy]

ORIGINAL: AxelNL

ORIGINAL: Extraneous

I have seen worse graphics on a game that was released.

Anyone have any constructive comments on Crussdaddys post.


I didn't and don't expect any from paulderynck (the troll).

I think it is great he dared to post them. It is a bit unfair we are more or less being very negative on the content while he is finally doing this. I think his posts over the last couple of years probably have more to do with the "fired-from-the-hip" reactions of some of us. I did that also a couple of months ago, but it looks as if he is slowly starting to behave a bit more.
What I like is that it gives a comparison to the graphics we have now. I do think MWIF is one of the most beautiful computerised versions of any wargame I know.

I'm confused -- in what capacity here am I daring? I'm under the assumption that most people here have played or at least seen CWiF? You have not?

[CrusssDaddy]

Sorry to OP for the thread derail -- I think if you go here tt.asp?forumid=1322 and poke around, you can find threads informative on Japan strategy.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Extraneous

I have seen worse graphics on a game that was released.

Anyone have any constructive comments on Crussdaddys post.


I didn't and don't expect any from paulderynck (the troll).

warspite1

Have you read the posts? What is there to be constructive about? What has either post got to do with the OP's question?

Okay how about:

Wow great Peruvian attack there. Haven't seen that audacious move for many a year. [8|]

[AxelNL]

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

ORIGINAL: AxelNL

ORIGINAL: Extraneous

I have seen worse graphics on a game that was released.

Anyone have any constructive comments on Crussdaddys post.


I didn't and don't expect any from paulderynck (the troll).

I think it is great he dared to post them. It is a bit unfair we are more or less being very negative on the content while he is finally doing this. I think his posts over the last couple of years probably have more to do with the "fired-from-the-hip" reactions of some of us. I did that also a couple of months ago, but it looks as if he is slowly starting to behave a bit more.
What I like is that it gives a comparison to the graphics we have now. I do think MWIF is one of the most beautiful computerised versions of any wargame I know.

I'm confused -- in what capacity here am I daring? I'm under the assumption that most people here have played or at least seen CWiF? You have not?

No, I have not. Never seen it, but knew it was the predecessor. Only one I know talking about it is you.
Daring as in people were luring you in to post them - while you might not have wanted to or could have expected the comments.
Thank you for your civilised response. I have un"greenbuttoned" you a few posts back.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

Hold on, let me test this. I'm not as computer savvy as you whippersnappers. Here's a shot from a recent game, Arktik Korps sturmtruppen searching for the Spear of Odin. Indiana Jones is just south of the pictured area:

warspite1

Extraneous has asked that we provide constructive comments. There is also a feeling that comments since your two CWIF posts have been unfair. So further to post 86, how about:

The OP asked about Japanese strategies. You were encouraged, as a seasoned WIF player, to provide examples - post 68 - (albeit you could not comment on China given the map changes which is fair enough).

You respond with posts 70 (sarcastic remark re game), 71 (sarcastic nonsense), 73 and 74 (more nonsense - although they do show up the CWIF maps for what they are. What did you say? MWIF offers nothing more than CWIF?), 81 (more sarcastic twaddle).

Finally we get post 85 - a helpful post. So no, I don't think there has been anything unfairly directed at you. You remain what you have always been on this forum.

Edit: Spelling

[CrusssDaddy]

Didn't know I was being lured into anything, if I knew there was so much interest and so many of you who had never seen the game I would have figured out how to post images much sooner.

Yep, the graphics are rough. I find them worth the purchase price of $0 and in any event graphics are for me far down the list when it comes to judging a game. Maybe you could post pictures from MWiF of SS in Nunavut and Peruvians in Tokyo, so we may compare?

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

Didn't know I was being lured into anything, if I knew there was so much interest and so many of you who had never seen the game I would have figured out how to post images much sooner.

Yep, the graphics are rough. I find them worth the purchase price of $0 and in any event graphics are for me far down the list when it comes to judging a game. Maybe you could post pictures from MWiF of SS in Nunavut and Peruvians in Tokyo, so we may compare?

warspite1

How do the Peruvians get to Tokyo? How is that actually possible?

[CrusssDaddy]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

Hold on, let me test this. I'm not as computer savvy as you whippersnappers. Here's a shot from a recent game, Arktik Korps sturmtruppen searching for the Spear of Odin. Indiana Jones is just south of the pictured area:

warspite1

Extraneous has asked that we provide constructive comments. There is also a feeling that comments since your two posts have been unfair. So further to post 86, how about:

The OP asked about Japanese strategies. You were encouraged, as a seasoned WIF player, to provide examples - post 68 - (albeit you could not comment on China given the map changes which is fair enough).

You respond with posts 70 (sarcastic remark re game), 71 (sarcastic nonsense), 73 and 74 (more nonsense - although they do show up the CWIF maps for what they are. What did you say? MWIF offers nothing more than CWIF?), 81 (more sarcastic twaddle).

Finally we get post 85 - a helpful post. So no, I don't think there has been anything unfairly directed at you. You remain what you have always been on this forum.

Edit: Spelling

I guess we agree? I haven't complained of unfairness. I feel a little bad that the hard work of the original developers is being made sport of, as a way to I guess shame me? But I'm not ashamed of enjoying CWIF, so...

[CrusssDaddy]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

Didn't know I was being lured into anything, if I knew there was so much interest and so many of you who had never seen the game I would have figured out how to post images much sooner.

Yep, the graphics are rough. I find them worth the purchase price of $0 and in any event graphics are for me far down the list when it comes to judging a game. Maybe you could post pictures from MWiF of SS in Nunavut and Peruvians in Tokyo, so we may compare?

warspite1

How do the Peruvians get to Tokyo? How is that actually possible?

CWiF debug mode lets you do pretty much whatever you want. I just placed the unit there. In a real game, the Peruvians would have to hitch a ride on some nice major power's AMPH, but I simply anted to illustrate something wacky.

[AxelNL]

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

Didn't know I was being lured into anything, if I knew there was so much interest and so many of you who had never seen the game I would have figured out how to post images much sooner.

Yep, the graphics are rough. I find them worth the purchase price of $0 and in any event graphics are for me far down the list when it comes to judging a game. Maybe you could post pictures from MWiF of SS in Nunavut and Peruvians in Tokyo, so we may compare?

It compares good enough to the multitude of screenshots in the AAR's, I would say.
Did you support the testing of CWiF constructively at that time for what you got?
I think Warspite1 has a point above, but I must say I have see much, much worse from you. Are you slowly becoming more mellow?

[Extraneous]

Its been OVER 8 (eight) years since the CWiF open beta.

You played the game found a bug and reported it. Your reward was to see your name in a response in the bug reports.

How can you be non-constructive when you are playing a game for free? We had people from all over the world playing.


With CWiF there was no forum, no blog, no vidios. You just emailed in a bug report or not as you saw fit.


Were the graphic realy that bad? Its been a long, long time since the CWiF open beta.

[Dabrion]

When MWiF is playable we will not want to look at it anymore, either. Besides.. its the same engine as MWiF. Just the bmp files are different for MWiF.

Peruvians in Tokyo Whats next? The Kabul MIL in Washington?

[Incy]

ORIGINAL: Ur_Vile_WEdge

Something's confusing me.

There's still no chain all the way back to Japan. Mogadishu only borders the Azanian sea, not the Arabian sea. Japan doesn't have any 5 moving transports on the first turn, so that means you can't even have a transport end up in the 0 box to keep you in supply.

It's just 4 moves to Azanian sea(Mogadishu) /Red sea (Asmara/captured Djibouti/captured Berbera).

With LOS, just RTB a CP and move a 4-move TRS from Canton to reorg the CP. Then move out the CP into Azanian/Red sea, and you are ready to RTB your invasion fleet to the port.

[brian brian]

Japan also has the option to surprise invade in the Persian Gulf from Canton without telegraphing it via using an Italian base at all. They can only make the 2 box, giving the notional some defense factors, but their Marine divisions and sacrificial IJA lambs can make it ashore unless you roll a 5 on the 2d10. The Allies will likely not have much planned to respond to this, and the SNLF might take it on the chin. But playing Japan is about Bushido and BANZAI!

The new map with all those hexes make it interesting to even go into Persia this way, though that works even better starting from Saudi Arabia, where they can deploy their paratroopers ahead of time to grab more on the surprise impulse, threatening Teheran itself ... leaving more oil for the SNLF to seize before those annoying blue/khaki Peacekeepers arrive.

re: the CW going for a US Entry roll by supporting Saudi Arabia - how often will the CW really have four corps available to just sit around in Medina/Mecca or flounder around walking in from Kuwait? Perhaps when the Italians are building the Luftwaffia worthy of Mordor - i.e. they aren't even trying to cross any blue water at all and their army sits on their beaches while their bombers swarm the Russian front. Otherwise, I don't see the CW being able to do much about Japan in Saudi Arabia. Defending Murmansk and Archangel should be much more of a priority for the Brits.

And Japan can't get much oil home from the Persian Gulf, no, not all of it. But they only need to trace to it to get av-gas to their bombers keeping the Chinese quiet and the IJN on full maneuvers. They can get some back to Canton and store it there, or if it really turns into an embarrassment of riches they can give it to the Euro-Axis before the USMC takes it all back from them. If the Royal Marines or USMC or a bunch of blue or green Allied CVs are dealing with Japanese bases in the Persian Gulf and/or Indian Ocean - well, that's better than those same Allied assets starting to crack open the Pacific perimeter of the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere, isn't it? The Greater West Asian Drunk On All This Oil Sphere has a nice ring to it.

re: the CW sneaking into Indo-China before the Japanese - let them. In 1941 and 1942, Japan owns the South China Sea and there is no way CW units in Vietnam (or Siam) will be able to have any supply. If the CW wants to deploy resources to slow down Japanese expansion, they can put a couple white print / elite units in Singapore with the Royal Engineers as a "topper", maybe even with a 2 sided fort protecting the landward approaches and multiple possible paths for a supply convoy to arrive from Australia or India. That is truly nasty for the Japanese. Some forlorn Tommies trying to figure out what the heck is good to eat in Bangkok, Saigon, or Hanoi before the daily air raid from the Hosho, Junyo and Hiyo and their friend Sally is much easier to deal with than a proper Allied defense of Singapore.

[brian brian]

ORIGINAL: Dabrion

When MWiF is playable we will not want to look at it anymore, either. Besides.. its the same engine as MWiF. Just the bmp files are different for MWiF.

Peruvians in Tokyo Whats next? The Kabul MIL in Washington?

so far the good Afghan restaurants are only in northern Virginia and Baltimore. Karzai has grown disenchanted with the District and I don't think he will ever come back. I'm sure he has much more loot safely tucked away in Dubai by now than he could ever have made pimping for Unocal back in the 90s.

[paulderynck]

ORIGINAL: brian brian

Japan also has the option to surprise invade in the Persian Gulf from Canton without telegraphing it via using an Italian base at all. They can only make the 2 box, giving the notional some defense factors, but their Marine divisions and sacrificial IJA lambs can make it ashore unless you roll a 5 on the 2d10. The Allies will likely not have much planned to respond to this, and the SNLF might take it on the chin. But playing Japan is about Bushido and BANZAI!

While I agree with much of the rest of your post, the attack you describe would only work in WiF and only if playing the Asian ZoCs option. Even then, the Persians can restrict you to only getting one oil.

But in MWiF there is no Asian ZoC rule since all hexes are Euro-scale. When your Japan DoWs my Persia, the Persian unit goes where the 'X' is, and your invasion force will be flipped - in the unlikely event it survives.

Edit: Also assuming that No ZoC on surprise is not in use, since it is so unbalancing.

[brian brian]

Yes, ever a tricky dance, World in Flames. Japan pretty much couldn't land in Persia by surprise from the 2-box via Canton (at least not anywhere useful) as a notional with any factor above zero would be doubled by terrain, regardless of where the Persian CAV would set-up and cast ZoCs.

But starting with units on the coast of Saudi Arabia….and no more need of pretense and thus use of Italian East Africa and higher boxes in the Gulf - Persia can be fairly open to them. All such operations will use up a good amount of activity limits / action choices that can't be used against the Chinese. But the Chinese don't have this much oil to capture this easily.

An initial landing in Saudi Arabia from Canton is a risk in and of itself however.