58 more F-35As to Australia

[Spookyashell]

I don't hate the F-22, I love it. But theres been so much smoke around both the F-22 and the F-35 that there has to be a fire somewhere.
You have to agree that if these things were true, the pentagon and US airforce would not admit it, right? But there are always people on the inside that feels the public has the right to know.

I stand by my statement that if the hype of the F-22 was indeed correct the plane would not have been cancelled.

So leaked documents have more credability than official statements. Like the survailance scandal in the US. Official statement, no US citizens are being surveiled by the program, while the leaked docs said they were. And what turned out to be correct?

What governments do best is lie to their people

[AlmightyTallest]

Well of course there's smoke, these two very advanced aircraft that have so many new technologies there's bound to be some bugs and snags along the line, but I'm not willing to believe they are the complete lemons that some like to claim, especially after years of flying time and testing/upgrading of systems.

I think the cancellation of the F-22 was partly from politics, partly from defense budgets that required the capabilities and money needed to put into the F-35 production, not because of the F-22's lack of performance.

If you were American, you'd have known that most Americans don't exactly trust their government, so the surveillance scandal wasn't really a surprise.

And who is exactly leaking these documents? I'd like to know more about the source rather than eating up all the info printed on a supposed classified leak on a defense project without questioning it's source.

What governments do best is lie to their people

LOL, Amen to that my friend. [:D]

Your completely entitled to your opinion Spookyashell, It's hard to debate who's correct since we're really at the mercy of what's available to the public, and there is a lot of incorrect info out there whether it's offical statements or classified leaks, or simply the local news.

[Blu3wolf]

I do like how we have gone from the F-35 to MH370 to F-22s already...

The F-35 is a plane I really want to live up to the hype (now that we are committed, more than ever). I have to say the avionics look pretty cool to operate. DAS seems like a really neat concept. LO technology is pretty excellent in concept too. If it lives up to claims in that area that will do more than anything else to put me at ease over it.

[Agiel]

ORIGINAL: Spookyashell


youtube.com/watch?v=27qdB1D0s9M

You should probably pay attention to what the user name of the guy who posted that video was. That probably clues you in to the impartiality (or rather lack thereof) of this video.

[NickD]

Australia's PM hinted that the government is considering buying up to 18 F-35Bs: http://www.lowyinterpreter.org/post/201 ... rrier.aspx

(I don't think that it's very likely that this would happen, though the government did promise to greatly increase defence spending to 2% of GDP when it was in opposition before the 2013 election)