Where Did The Figure Of 94 Russian Subs In The Pacific Come From?

[Mike Scholl]

Mogami...? You used this number..., did you get it from the
"alpha" version of the game? Does the game show any info
or specs for these boats?

I mention this because while the overall number seems to
be pretty accurate, 33 of these boats are the pitifiull Series VI
types. At 160 tons, they met their primary design goal of being
rail transportable---but were utter failures in combat, being
barely capable of harbor/coast defense. If anything, in game
terms, they're something like "short deployment minefields"
that can only be used on the russian coast. Does the game
reflect this?

[mogami]

Hi, The data base is still being compiled. The Russian Navy has not yet been deployed.

[Mike Scholl]

Originally posted by Mogami
Hi, The data base is still being compiled. The Russian Navy has not yet been deployed.

OH. Sounded to me as if you got the number from the game.
If that isn't the case, could you say where you did get it? It's
also just a bit higher than what I've seen, but my numbers are
from the start of the Russo-German Fracus in June. Just seems
odd that the Russians would be moving AWAY from the sceen of
combat.

[mogami]

Hi, The pre war Soviet Navy (1939) Had the largest submarine fleet in the world (over 200 subs) But like you noted they were not good submarines. The Soviets only began producing decent submarines after the war when they had German Type-XXI's to copy.
(The Soviets had one of the highest ratios of subs lost compared to enemy ships sunk) But they were operating in restricted waters that were patroled and mined.

However the number deployed in the Far East would still be a major concern for the Japanese. (The sheer number of subs could shut down transit for quite a while in the Sea of Japan and Yellow Sea.)

But the 200+ bombers located in the east would be my major worry. The Japanese could win this air battle but only by reducing the number of airgroups operating against the Western Alliance.

Personally, I like having the Soviets included. But doubt they ever play an important part in the outcome of any game. (At least the ones where I am Japan.)

[Mike Scholl]

I know they had 210 Subs in June of 41 (86 in the Pacific).
I know when the war ended they had 173 (79 in the Pqacific).
I know they lost 107 submarines total during the war, while
sinking 190 ships in return (one of the poorer returns of all
the combatants). WHAT I ASKED WAS "Where did you get the
figure of 94 Soviet submarines in the Pacific in December, 1941?"

I'm beginning to think I'd like knowing you a lot. You have my
kind of perverse sense of humor..., the kind that would specifically
avoid answering my question just to watch me go nuts trying to
explain it again. Now that I've caught on, you gonna give me a straight answer?

[mogami]

Hi, I used web search "Soviet Navy Pacific Fleet WWII" and found several sites. Where more then 2 sources gave same numbers I used data. I can't say for sure what the page URL were now (2 bottles of Rose Du Soleil consumed during search) I copy pasted data into file on my computer. More research for data is ongoing. If you have realiable sources you can post what you have.



"In 1939 the Soviet Pacific Fleet, under command of Vize-Admiral Ivan Jumasev, had 14 destroyers, 30 minesweepers, 92 patrol boats and more than 80 submarines. The fleet in 1941 had slightly changed with 2 light cruisers, built recently in that year, each of 8,800 tons, and could do 35 knots, there were also 16 destroyers and now 94 submarines. The submarine fleet had various vessels, thirteen of Type ’L, forty-one of Type ’Shch, thirty-three of Type ‘M, six of Type ‘S and only one of Type ‘K. The main Soviet naval base at Vladivostok for the Pacific Ocean

The Soviet Army deployed in the Far East a relatively strong military force of 40 divisions. On 8 December 1941, the Japanese having officially entered the world war, claimed the Straits of La Perouse, and with Korea under Imperial Japanese control four Soviet transport ships were sunk that month by "unknown" aggressive submarines."

[Mike Scholl]

SEE...., I knew you could do it. Thanks.

[Snigbert]

Mogami had to hide the ten sided dice and magic eight ball he used to generate his statistics before he could respond