Return of the Sheep! - JocMeister(A) vs. MrKane(J)

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RE: Return of the Sheep!

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

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Yeah. Others may disagree with me because it diverts forces from being available to defend western Australia, but I assign the utmost importance to Noumea. I was able to successfully defend it in one of my games, and in the other my opponent didn't even make it down to Ndeni. In my own game as Japan, I went for it just about right away.

Luganville and Efate do have nice Japanese multipliers, and are perfect examples of bases you need to take away from him if he builds them (I don't, at least not to something large - eventually you'll lose them as Japan). If you hold Noumea, you can force a battle here where the strategic considerations are in your favor. As you say, SOPAC is at the end of a very long SLOC for Japan. The nearest place that provides even a modicum of repair is Truk, and the nearest shipyard is where - Manila? Soerabaja, maybe? That's a long ways. You've got a nice medium-size shipyard at Sydney (and another one at Auckland), so only your Lexingtons and BBs have to go back to Hawaii for major repairs. Likewise, you should have large fuel stockpiles in Australia or New Zealand (or Noumea or Suva) while he has to haul everything from the SRA, or worse, from Japan itself.

In my Allied game, I sent reinforcements right away to Luganville and Efate (from Australia), figuring that the second wave would go to Noumea. I'm not sure if I would do it the same way again - maybe. Noumea isn't worth much to Japan if the Allies hold airfields at Luganville and Suva. For one thing, it's nearly impossible to get fighter support down there that early as airfields aren't built in the Solomons yet. If you can't transfer to Luganville, you may not be able to get the Zeroes to Noumea unless you bring them in by ship...

I've got lots of thoughts about SOPAC. I like playing there on each side, as I'm sure all of my opponents have figured out by now [;)]. It's a very interesting theater.

I would love to hold on to Noumea but its a nervous place to defend. All he has to do is bring down the KB, a couple of BBs and 2-4 IDs and could do nothing to stop him. My worry with that would be losing irreplaceable troops. He could do that quite late into the game if he wanted.

Same is true for Suva and New Caledonia as well. Do I put my defense up here and risk losing the troops. Or do pull back and invade later if he takes them? Invading later can´t be done with KB there though.

Tough call!
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RE: Return of the Sheep!

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
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Looking at the VP screen from the game there are some interesting things to see. The final score was 35032:6974 (5.1). The two major contributing factors where Jpanese bases (almost 17k) and allied Army losses (13.200).

FWIW and a data point, in my game with Lokasenna, mid-September 1942, I've lost 13,813 Allied LCU VPs and the VP ratio is 1: 2.658. I'm in a not-good place, but it's possible to plug the dike elsewhere and play for time.

Total VPs are 33,012 to 12,421.

Thanks for the numbers! I´ll keep them in mind. Interesting that Loka has about the same points then Quixote had. But you have almost twice what Cannonfodder has. Thus preventing AV.
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RE: Return of the Sheep!

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[font="Verdana"]December 16th - 41 [/font]
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Not much to report actually. More of the same!

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Malaya
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The defenders at Johubahru are finally attacked and immediately retreats towards Singers.
Ground combat at Johore Bahru (50,83)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 24139 troops, 245 guns, 198 vehicles, Assault Value = 732

Defending force 4815 troops, 23 guns, 65 vehicles, Assault Value = 81

Japanese adjusted assault: 367

Allied adjusted defense: 55

Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Johore Bahru !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
316 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 28 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled


Allied ground losses:
1756 casualties reported
Squads: 27 destroyed, 33 disabled
Non Combat: 115 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 9 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 19 (19 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 53 (53 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 4

Actually managed to get a single fort up at Singers. Won´t make a difference though.

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Philippines
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The Japanese horde arrives at Clark where I decided to make a stand. Forts at 1. He will have to bring in more if he wants a speedy capture. But I think he will be content one starving me. Only a single Japanese ID here. [X(]

Ground combat at Clark Field (79,76)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1002 troops, 88 guns, 92 vehicles, Assault Value = 866

Defending force 25207 troops, 364 guns, 218 vehicles, Assault Value = 788

Allied ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Assaulting units:
16th Recon Regiment
16th Engineer Regiment
3rd Ind Engineer Regiment
48th Division
20th Infantry Regiment
21st Ind Engineer Regiment
9th Infantry Regiment
7th Tank Regiment
28th JAAF AF Bn
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
9th Field Construction Battalion
3rd Construction Battalion
56th Const Co
14th Army
40th JAAF AF Bn


Defending units:
51st PA Infantry Division
192nd Tank Battalion
41st PA Infantry Division
26th PS Cavalry Regiment
4th Marine Regiment
45th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team
21st PA Infantry Division
194th Tank Battalion
11th PA Infantry Division
14th PS Engineer Regiment
North Luzon Force
86th PS Coastal Artillery Battalion
200th Coast AA Regiment
Far East USAAF
Clark Field AAF Base Force

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Houston/Boise
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They are found this turn with a 8/8 DL. I can´t do another high speed run nor zig too much as fuel are low. Tom has also moved Small KB towards them. I think the end is near... [:(]

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China
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Tom is clearing hexes with Tanks and shock attacks. Despite having a 1:10 AV disadvantage I lose 600 troops to no Jap losses. I hate China.

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Big KB
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Big KB is wrecking havoc along the OZ coast. 6 more ships sunk this turn. More will follow tomorrow unless he changes course.

Can´t get the screenshot to upload. [:(] My ISP told me the problems may not be fixed until the 16th.
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RE: Return of the Sheep!

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Tom will bring massive artillery to the attacks. Seen that up close and personal.
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RE: Return of the Sheep!

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*pokes head in*

Just caught up with this AAR, looks rough.

Quick question from a newbie though. I have come across a lot of talk about Houston, Marblehead and Boise (especially Boise), are these exceptionally good ships in some regards? Somehow I am not really seeing why they get so much attention. Although I already have a soft spot for Houston, it got for me in the opening turns of my PBEM.
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You do not know about "The Big Bad Boise"? [X(]
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If I did, I don't think I would have asked...
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RE: Return of the Sheep!

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ORIGINAL: BattleMoose

*pokes head in*

Just caught up with this AAR, looks rough.

Quick question from a newbie though. I have come across a lot of talk about Houston, Marblehead and Boise (especially Boise), are these exceptionally good ships in some regards? Somehow I am not really seeing why they get so much attention. Although I already have a soft spot for Houston, it got for me in the opening turns of my PBEM.
I haven't looked at their starting stats, but they must have some of the most competent captains and experienced crews on the Allied side at the start of the game.
They start in the midst of all the Japanese landings and they are fast enough to get to many of them, and are just strong enough to overcome light escorts.
They seem to usually fight well, even at night, and Boise's 15X 6" guns get lots of hits. They cannot handle much in the way of air attack so most players retreat from any carriers detected, but at least
one player intercepted and sank CL Zuiho.
In short, they are dangerous and can sometimes be lucky, when used aggressively.
No matter how bad a situation is, you can always make it worse. - Chris Hadfield : An Astronaut's Guide To Life On Earth
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RE: Return of the Sheep!

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ORIGINAL: BattleMoose

*pokes head in*

Just caught up with this AAR, looks rough.

Quick question from a newbie though. I have come across a lot of talk about Houston, Marblehead and Boise (especially Boise), are these exceptionally good ships in some regards? Somehow I am not really seeing why they get so much attention. Although I already have a soft spot for Houston, it got for me in the opening turns of my PBEM.

Hi BattleMoose.

Welcome to the AAR. [:)] As BBfanboy says the Boise and Houston have (for early war) quite high experience and can normally do some damage to the IJN in the DEI area.
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[font="Verdana"]Death of the Houston and Boise [/font]
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Sadly these two ships were sunk last turn while trying to evade a small TF centered around CA Myoko. I have to say I´m pretty disappointed by the result. In close quarters first the Houston and then Boise was slammed by long lances slowing them both down.

Disappointment is high in the allied HQ. When I saw it was only the Myoko and 3 DDs I thought I would have a fighting chance. Sadly this was not to happen. They will be revenged!
Night Time Surface Combat, near Dinagat at 88,87, Range 5,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
SOC-1 Seagull: 3 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CA Myoko, Shell hits 3
DD Kuroshio
DD Oyashio
DD Hatsukaze


Allied Ships
CA Houston, Shell hits 17, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
CL Boise, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk

Reduced sighting due to 3% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 3% moonlight: 6,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 5,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 5,000 yards

CA Myoko engages CA Houston at 5,000 yards
CL Boise engages DD Hatsukaze at 5,000 yards
CA Houston engages DD Oyashio at 5,000 yards
Range closes to 4,000 yards
CA Myoko engages CA Houston at 4,000 yards
DD Hatsukaze engages CL Boise at 4,000 yards
CA Houston engages DD Oyashio at 4,000 yards
CA Houston engages DD Kuroshio at 4,000 yards
CA Myoko engages CA Houston at 4,000 yards
CA Myoko engages CL Boise at 4,000 yards
Riker, K.I. orders Allied TF to disengage
Range closes to 2,000 yards
CA Houston engages CA Myoko at 2,000 yards
CL Boise sunk by CA Myoko at 2,000 yards
CA Houston sunk by DD Oyashio at 2,000 yards
Combat ends with last Allied ship sunk...

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RE: Return of the Sheep!

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[font="Verdana"]December 17th - 41 [/font]
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A small success in China giving me a small breather. Very little action elsewhere

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Malaya
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Just a small sweep over Singers by 14 Oscars.

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DEI
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Small KB is now East of Mindanao. Big KB has disappeared somewhere along the Norther OZ coast. Possibly heading towards PM/Rabaul. Trying to get search assets in place in 2-3 turns.

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China
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Japanese bombers are focus on HK which should fall in the next attack. I hope I can get a screen up because its so messy its hard to explain with just text.

My small roadblock on the Eastern flank of Sian manages to stall the Japanese. Very surprising and happy news. I hope this will buy me time to get more troops into place.
Ground combat at 88,41 (near Kaoping)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 29327 troops, 263 guns, 72 vehicles, Assault Value = 865

Defending force 15775 troops, 129 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 398

Japanese adjusted assault: 385

Allied adjusted defense: 514

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 [X(]

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1021 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 110 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled


Allied ground losses:
376 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 99 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled


Assaulting units:
4th Ind.Mixed Brigade
41st Division
37th Division

5th Armored Car Co
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment


Defending units:
34th Chinese Corps
33rd Chinese Corps
61st Chinese Corps
7th Group Army

I´ll try to get a screen up of the situation in China.

EDIT: Yey for screen! [&o]

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RE: Return of the Sheep!

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[font="Verdana"]December 19th - 41 [/font]
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Again a slow turn without too much happening.

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Malaya
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Bombers hit Singers again. I did manage to get some heavy AA into the city which is taking its toll on the attackers. But with only 400AV in the city it won´t change the outcome one bit.

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DEI
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There are no more allied ships in the whole of DEI. [:(] With the Big KB spotted again south of Java we had no choice but to abandon our position at Cocos or risk another stinging defeat. He will come here soon I´m sure. Forts are building and pilots training.

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Philippines
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Tom has started to bomb the troops at Clark. But apparently fearing flak he keeps them up high at 15k which means no allied losses. The Allied force has already left the PI for Java and China. For the moment I feel pretty secure here. He will need to bring in more or slowly starve me out. Small KB disappeared east of the PI. Probably merging with the even smaller KB that came down from the HI.

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Intel
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Not getting much good but last turn I found something interesting.
1/33rd Division is loaded on a Japanese xAP moving to Truk

So he is not going to totally neglect SOPAC and/or CENTPAC. Also got a fix on the Imperial Guards at Singora. Wonder why he has them sitting there?

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Allied reinforcements
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Most of the troops are heading towards OZ/SOPAC right now. I´m using EXTREMELY cautious routes. It will take a couple of weeks longer but I figure I got the time for it. At least right now.

3 Fighter Squadrons, 2 DB and a full BG has left for India. Also sent two CAT squadrons there. I want eyes on the IO.

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Japanese sub hoard
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Half is on its way toward the WC and the other half is sitting around Christmas. Tom is using them in a wolfpack fashion which actually helps me right now. I can easily just divert any concentration of subs. At least so far. Having all the CATs unharmed from PH is really proving useful. Once my ASW gets better I can start hitting him back.

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Don't those SB III's drop hand grenades? [:D]
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Don't those SB III's drop hand grenades? [:D]

Pretty much yes! (6x100kg) [:D]
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[font="Verdana"]December 19th - 41 [/font]
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Again a slow turn without too much happening.

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Malaya
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Bombers hit Singers again. I did manage to get some heavy AA into the city which is taking its toll on the attackers. But with only 400AV in the city it won´t change the outcome one bit.

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DEI
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There are no more allied ships in the whole of DEI. [:(] With the Big KB spotted again south of Java we had no choice but to abandon our position at Cocos or risk another stinging defeat. He will come here soon I´m sure. Forts are building and pilots training.

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Philippines
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Tom has started to bomb the troops at Clark. But apparently fearing flak he keeps them up high at 15k which means no allied losses. The Allied force has already left the PI for Java and China. For the moment I feel pretty secure here. He will need to bring in more or slowly starve me out. Small KB disappeared east of the PI. Probably merging with the even smaller KB that came down from the HI.

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Intel
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Not getting much good but last turn I found something interesting.
1/33rd Division is loaded on a Japanese xAP moving to Truk

So he is not going to totally neglect SOPAC and/or CENTPAC. Also got a fix on the Imperial Guards at Singora. Wonder why he has them sitting there?

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Allied reinforcements
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Most of the troops are heading towards OZ/SOPAC right now. I´m using EXTREMELY cautious routes. It will take a couple of weeks longer but I figure I got the time for it. At least right now.

3 Fighter Squadrons, 2 DB and a full BG has left for India. Also sent two CAT squadrons there. I want eyes on the IO.

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Japanese sub hoard
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Half is on its way toward the WC and the other half is sitting around Christmas. Tom is using them in a wolfpack fashion which actually helps me right now. I can easily just divert any concentration of subs. At least so far. Having all the CATs unharmed from PH is really proving useful. Once my ASW gets better I can start hitting him back.

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[font="Verdana"]Big KB [/font]
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He will go for Cocos quickly and hit it hard. Against a quality opponent, it doesn't make sense try to send anything there. Lots of players know that it can hurt a Japanese player if left alone too long.

Reminder - spend some PPs and ensure that you buy out the two big Dutch BFs (100 Aviation Support). Fly a fragment out of each to India and Australia for rebuilding. You are always short of Aviation Support and these two are worth the price.
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He will go for Cocos quickly and hit it hard. Against a quality opponent, it doesn't make sense try to send anything there. Lots of players know that it can hurt a Japanese player if left alone too long.

Reminder - spend some PPs and ensure that you buy out the two big Dutch BFs (100 Aviation Support). Fly a fragment out of each to India and Australia for rebuilding. You are always short of Aviation Support and these two are worth the price.

Thanks for the reminder! Had forgotten those! [&o]
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Those two Dutch BFs are the only two MUST evac of their LCUs. Place the fragment at a base (Bombay and Sydney) with a Command HQ so they pull in replacements daily (vs once every three days) to speed up the rebuilding process once their parent is destroyed on Java.
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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

He will go for Cocos quickly and hit it hard. Against a quality opponent, it doesn't make sense try to send anything there. Lots of players know that it can hurt a Japanese player if left alone too long.

Reminder - spend some PPs and ensure that you buy out the two big Dutch BFs (100 Aviation Support). Fly a fragment out of each to India and Australia for rebuilding. You are always short of Aviation Support and these two are worth the price.

Just went through the map and I can´t find them? [&:]
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