[DWU] Balance Mod v0.9 (extended TechTree) [Cancelled in protest]

[Darknote]

Yes please do! It is too beautiful in its goal to be cancelled due to protest of fonts/etc.

[Unforeseen]

So frustrating...

[Kizucha]

[:(] cry face is crying.

[danymatrix]

please, come on lukarnu , you've made one of the best mods of the story ... you can not give up now ...[8|]

[Simulation01]

The trouble with updates....

[Chestburster]

It's sad that you stopped working on this mod. Any chance of removing your no republication restriction so others can continue and extend/include it?

[Unforeseen]

Well technically anyone who still has a copy of the mod can "redo" the changes he made and credit him for the original idea and effort. It wouldn't be a redistribution. They aren't changes that only he can specifically do, anyone could have gone in there and messed with the txts to get the same result. I personally downloaded a copy of .87 as soon as I found out he was going to take it down.

I do think this whole font war thing is a bit stupid to be honest. It isn't your game, it's the devs game. If they want the font to be a particular size than it they have every right to do that. They aren't "punishing" anyone, because you can STILL READ IT and that is all that should matter.

[spinkick]

Honestly, whatever. Seems like a tantrum at this point.

[Locarnus]

ORIGINAL: Unforeseen
Well technically anyone who still has a copy of the mod can "redo" the changes he made and credit him for the original idea and effort. It wouldn't be a redistribution. They aren't changes that only he can specifically do, anyone could have gone in there and messed with the txts to get the same result. I personally downloaded a copy of .87 as soon as I found out he was going to take it down.

Nope, that would be a redistribution.
As I cant just copy paste the contents of the Distant Worlds files and distribute them.

ORIGINAL: Unforeseen
I do think this whole font war thing is a bit stupid to be honest. It isn't your game, it's the devs game.

It is my game, as I paid for it.

ORIGINAL: Unforeseen
If they want the font to be a particular size than it they have every right to do that. They aren't "punishing" anyone, because you can STILL READ IT and that is all that should matter.

If I rent an appartement, the landlord cant just come in and paint the walls black while doing maintenence on other areas. It is illegal.
And I didnt rent it, I bought the game.

And the argument "You can still read it" is frankly an insult. If you press ctrl++ in your browser for a few times, you can still read, but forcing that on you after you paid for the product is outrageous.


I did put quite some effort in it and I will finish the project, when Elliot and Erik get their priorities straight and revert their step from the recent EA like approach.

As with the StarTrek mod, redistribution/reverse engineering is not ok, this project is not even abandoned and I take that seriously!
If you want the mod to continue, tell Erik and Elliot that an EA business style with regards to customers is acceptable and certainly not compatible with a community that cares and mods as before...

[Unforeseen]

Hmm I don't agree about the redistribution. I didn't suggest "copying" your work from the file. I suggested using it as a guideline to write up a new one. "redo" But I may not have worded it well enough.

You do NOT own the rights to the game friend. I'm not trying to get into this with you but the company here owns the right to modify the game however they want whether you payed for it or not. You merely have the right to choose not to accept those updates by not downloading them.

In other words, they are not "forcing" you to do anything. You are voluntarily downloading the update that changes the font.

[Unforeseen]

I'm going to throw this up as a double post in case you respond to my previous post on page 5 while i'm typing...

And this is about the font situation. Had you considered that maybe they just don't have a way to make the font optional right now? Other than releasing multiple patches which would be a pain in the ass for the devs. There were players who couldn't see the font that was in the game from what I understand. That is the priority, making sure EVERYONE can read the text in game. It's not an insult, it's a fact.

Edit: Your literally protesting against a development decision that HAD to be done. It's like standing outside of a home trying to prevent firefighters from entering said home with shoes on while it's on fire.

[Locarnus]

If I rent an appartement, I do not own it, yet the landlord cant just do anything he wants to do.

I dont really care if they make it an ingame option. But they changed some files so that the font is bigger. For all I care, they can just provide those files in 2 versions, or three. And then in the config txt you can choose.

After all, I provided this mod in 2 versions as well.

It is not an either small font or large fonts.
This is a software product, not hardware.

The font issue was relevant 4 years ago. 4 iterations of the game ago.
Instead of adressing it in a suitable manner, content addons were sold for 4 years.

Now I refuse to be the one who is screwed over, when no one has to be screwed over at all.
It is a software product! Just provide 2 versions.


Have you tried pressing ctrl++ a few times in your browser and then not reverting for a week after paying for something? How does it feel?
And then someone comes around and tells you, well, screw you, your interests are not our priority, we had customers complaining on steam forums which might affect our sales negatively...

That is something I expect from EA, and I do not mod or otherwise engage in EA games communities for that reason.

[Unforeseen]

The devs are not accessing your copy and making modifications directly to it, they are releasing updates that you are voluntarily choosing to accept...

I'm pretty certain though I can't speak for them...that what you are asking for will never happen. They are not going to reverse the font changes and make the game unplayable for many of their customers to appease one modder's frustrations. They MAY in the future add a way to toggle between fonts if it's even possible. I strongly doubt they will release an optional version. But again I don't speak for them so who knows.

What I do know is that your not going to keep the community from making similar mods to yours. It's a pretty big area that a lot of people agree needs some work and your mod was a good model to base that work off of. If you don't finish the project someone else will with their own tech mod. But as you can see most of the community would FAR prefer you to do it.

And I get what your saying about EA. They suck, and every game I play by them the changes are forced on you. You just simply don't have a choice. But in this you do, you can choose not to download the updates.

[Locarnus]

They included game fixes and the font change in the same update, thus with the fixes the update is part of maintenance and I have the same right to it as everyone else, but without the font changes...

I m certainly not asking to revert the fonts to the old way for everyone.
I demand that they put me in a position where I can reestablish the old font sizes for my copy of the game, while keeping the game fixes and updates.

I dont intend to keep the community from making their own mods. But as with the StarTrek mod, using the stuff I worked so hard for is not ok.

I strike for a reason.
Just set your browsers font sizes 2 or 3 levels up and after a week, tell me you are fine with it...

[Unforeseen]

I haven't even looked at the Star Trek mod, what's wrong with it anyways?

[The font changes in DW aren't really all that bad, barely noticed. Not like increase size in browser)

[PsyKoSnake]

For me it was like this : A little smaller actually asdfasdf and now it's like this asdfasdf. (Now i can see something.)

For you Locarnus does it was like this: asdasd and now its like this? asdasda or bigger.

If so, I understand it can cause a problem.

But if its like this: asdasdasd or this asdfasdfasdf it dont cause any problem. It's a little bigger, but at least you see something. I would be able to play with these font and i would not need my glasses.

Almost all gaming monitor are 1920x1080 so the game need to be optimized for that. Not a 480p square monitor:P

[ParagonExile]

No offense Locarnus, but your complaints are pretty absurd. It's mind-boggling that you would care this much, especially when you consider that the changes could be undone in five minutes by anyone who cared to. But instead of working together with other modders (preferably Haree) to ensure compatibility and improving your mod, you're just leaving the work behind, stopping anyone else from using it and "demanding" something from the dev/s who very explicitly answered your requests before.

Also; get a better monitor. I just pressed "Ctrl + +" as you suggested, multiple times, and I still don't care. Ermagherd, the text looks slightly larger! I'm sure I'll stop playing one of my favorite games because of this!

[Icemania]

Let's all calm down a bit.

I'm going to publicly reiterate my PM to Locarnus offering help to optimise the Research Build Orders for this mod, if he decides to finish this mod and update it post release with community feedback.

[Locarnus]

If my landlord paints my walls black during maintenance,
I would question my mental health if I would continue to put an effort into activities which support the landlord...


And to those saying "you still have walls (just not the color you had before)/ you have no right to complain/ your walls need to be black so that other peoples walls could be black", well, thats just not how I see it.
Thats the diplomatic comment.

If it doesnt bother you, others who are bothered have no right to complain or their complaints are absurd. What a great perspective.

I wonder if you made those comments to people who complained about the small fonts, having 4k monitors themselves. Or telling them that their complaints are absurd and that they should buy a new low res monitor.

Or imagine the other way around, they started with a font size for 2K full HD monitors, and then they changed it to fit for 1K HD ready monitors. Would the people with 2K monitors have a right to complain?

They could still play the game, just sit 20cm away from the monitor for comfortable reading...

[bugbear777]