cvp rebase bug

[joshuamnave]

Trying to move my outdated cvp's onto smaller ships. All ships are in the same port, so I should be able to rebase the planes without using any air missions, which (sort of, clunkily) works in most situations. In this saved game file, I have no air missions left at the start of the air rebase phase, and it won't let me move my cvp's around even though it should.

[Dabrion]

You may rebase but it will cost air actions. What makes you think it doesn't?

[Sabre21]

ORIGINAL: Dabrion

You may rebase but it will cost air actions. What makes you think it doesn't?

As per RAC 11.17 - Carrier air units may rebase within a hex (land to carrier, carrier to land, or from one carrier to another) for no cost against activity limits.

[Dabrion]

Isn't 14.4.1 *Rebasing* overruling that?

[Sabre21]

ORIGINAL: Dabrion

Isn't 14.4.1 *Rebasing* overruling that?

From the way I read it if the carrier air unit remains in the same port or sea zone box then it doesn't use an air action.

From 14.4.1 - You can also rebase a carrier plane from a CV to another CV in the same sea-box section or port, or from a CV to the port hex it is in or vice versa. Each of these counts as a rebase for activities limits (Deviation: unless the carrier air unit remains in the same port or sea area section box).

[joshuamnave]

When I have at least one air action left, I can rebase an infinite number of cvp's within the same port. That is in accordance with the rule as quoted above. When I have 0 air actions left, I can't rebase any of them.

[Dabrion]

After reading RAC I think it is meant to be free in MWiF. And what Zartacla describes sound like unwanted behavior in that regard.

[Centuur]

I think it has something to do with the fact that if there is no free carrier to land the CV plane on, it can't rebase to another CV.

It is the same type of bug as the one regarding overstacking, I believe...

At this moment the game doesn't allow you to land two planes on a carrier if they don't fit on the ship together, even in the rebase phase.

So it's a bug...

[paulderynck]

Good theory for when the CVs are in the same box and both fully stacked. Similar to being unable to temporarily overstack in land movement.

Maybe a similar workaround is possible - try rebasing a CVP to land, doing the free rebasing, then undoing the CVP that rebased to land. The trouble is, you'd need one remaining air mission to get the process started.

[Centuur]

Since the CV the plane came from originally is now occupied with another CVP, you can't use the undo button...

[Courtenay]

Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I wanted to point out that the theory that all carriers are full is not correct. In the attached game, there are two CW carriers in Liverpool. One is empty, and the other has a single size one CVP on it. The CW went into the air rebase phase with no air actions remaining. It should be possible to move the plane from one carrier to the other, or to shore, but it is not.

Edit added later:

Oops. Just noticed that the plane does not fit on one of the carriers. It should still be possible to rebase the CVP to the port, though, so there is a bug. Also, the is a British carrier at Malta with space available, and planes can not be rebased to it.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Courtenay

Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I wanted to point out that the theory that all carriers are full is not correct. In the attached game, there are two CW carriers in Liverpool. One is empty, and the other has a single size one CVP on it. The CW went into the air rebase phase with no air actions remaining. It should be possible to move the plane from one carrier to the other, or to shore, but it is not.

Edit added later:

Oops. Just noticed that the plane does not fit on one of the carriers. It should still be possible to rebase the CVP to the port, though, so there is a bug. Also, the is a British carrier at Malta with space available, and planes can not be rebased to it.

Reactivating an old thread with new information is a good thing - not a bad thing.