Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR)

STEF78 · Post by **STEF78** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:43 am

new record... [:(] progress is faster than expected (feared?)

loki100 · Post by **loki100** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:54 am

ORIGINAL: STEF78

new record... [:(] progress is faster than expected (feared?)

if nothing else Oshawatt is providing empirical evidence for the debate that sometimes occurs around the effectiveness of artillery. I'd guess with 11,000 guns, your units must be largely disrupted even before the actual close attack phase?

morvael · Post by **morvael** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:56 am

11000 [X(]

Flaviusx · Post by **Flaviusx** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:18 am

11k guns is some kind of record, lol.

Oshawott · Post by **Oshawott** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:23 am

11k guns is some kind of record, lol.

If this is a record I will be able to beat it.

But these combat reports also show that 13:1 men and 27:1 artillery are still leading to very tight combats. Just look at the odds of 2.3:1. Fortifications were reduced one level and there was no reserve activation. It just shows how effective fortifications are.

One reason might be that those rocket launcher divisions are all high morale but low experience <30.

morvael · Post by **morvael** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:32 am

Wait till your guards rifle corps will have 21 CV... For now I see they are 8-11 which is low (in my game worst non-guards rifle corps that I formed had 7 CV on the first turn of existence).

Flaviusx · Post by **Flaviusx** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:38 pm

Most of those rifle corps haven't even flipped over to the 42c TOE yet probably.

It's the rocket artillery divisions that are creating those huge numbers for you, most people underbuild them. (I admit to this myself.) Yet if they actually fill out they have something like 2x the launchers that arty divisions have tubes. Maybe more than that.

jwolf · Post by **jwolf** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:18 pm

Just as a matter of curiosity, asking in ignorance, how does this 11K figure compare to historical Soviet practice?  Were they ever able to get that much artillery focused on one battle?

STEF78 · Post by **STEF78** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:20 pm

ORIGINAL: loki100
I'd guess with 11,000 guns, your units must be largely disrupted even before the actual close attack phase?

Below the detailed battle. Surprisingly, distuption isn't that heavy

Flaviusx · Post by **Flaviusx** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:36 pm

ORIGINAL: jwolf

Just as a matter of curiosity, asking in ignorance, how does this 11K figure compare to historical Soviet practice? Were they ever able to get that much artillery focused on one battle?

Yes, but not this early. They were packing in something like 300 guns per kilometer or more later on. Add to that the lavish mortar support and you get there.

STEF78 · Post by **STEF78** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:48 pm

Turn 81, 31th december 1942

Leningrad...
...won"t fall in 1942!

Smolensk
Digging my defence belt

Briansk
Another axe of attack

Sumy
Several successfull attacks allowed: Poisoned gift?

Oshawott · Post by **Oshawott** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:54 pm

Yet if they actually fill out they have something like 2x the launchers that arty divisions have tubes.

About 1000 per rocket launcher division in 42/43. They also provide a nice increase in CV. At this stage up to 15 per division with most of those being around 30 experience.

STEF78 · Post by **STEF78** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:28 am

Turn 82, 7th january 1943

I survived 1942 [:(]

1943 will be the year of the final victory!

Leningrad
Superb defensive sucess, junction with the germans will be achieved soon

Lower Dniepr

Russian offensive has stalled..

We begin the counterattack! Stalino is in sight[;)]

timmyab · Post by **timmyab** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:59 am

You sound a little dejected Stef.[:(] I don't blame you, this is a thankless task. This is where you wish you were playing the sudden death version although I think the checks should be made six monthly rather than yearly.

STEF78 · Post by **STEF78** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:26 am

Do not make a mistake, I have an excellent morale! It is just a way of changing the comment [;)]

The end of the game is now known, the only question is: when is it going to finish? If I had to take a bet, I shall say in the end of the summer, 1944.

In the final this game will have for merit to illustrate the extreme importance of the first turns for the German player.

+/-100k of losses for the Russian at the end of the turn 17 may correspond to 2/3 month at the end of the game.

Of course it's not a pure y = ax + b... it would be boring

Flaviusx · Post by **Flaviusx** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:33 pm

Summer 1944 is a pretty good bet. If you can make it to 45 I'd call that a moral victory.

STEF78 · Post by **STEF78** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:03 am

Turn 83, 14th january 1943

Leningrad

Finns are pushed slowly but surely. Nothing to do to stop the reds. I've recall all but 3 units from ex Svir line. It will not be enough.

Bransk

Even my best stacks can't held

Poltava

One one my few defensive success

Lower Dniepr

Situation becomes worrying

Air war

My fighter bombers are now mostly efficent

STEF78 · Post by **STEF78** » Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:18 pm

Turn 84, 21th january 1943

General view of the front with his evolution since 1st october 1942, my weak points, one of my exhausted Pzd regiments and my favorite FB

SigUp · Post by **SigUp** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:25 am

Over 444.000 men in battle and only some 1.600 losses? That's the WITE engine at its best. Not even 0.4% losses. Ridiculous.

morvael · Post by **morvael** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:00 am

The bigger the force, the smaller the percentage of losses.