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RE: Japanese land in OZ!!

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If gnarly roads help we'll find out soon as the Between the Storms game Michael and I are starting uses it. I hope it helps in China, India, and from my perspective, in Burma.

Doing an AAR? I'll follow that. Speaking of Burma, I have always felt the supply flows much too well through the jungle.

Yes indeed, still working on Turn 1 but should start soon.

As for China, I see the point of the dangers of more supply. Too much and the KMT horde can run wild. That said, it certainly appears that today there is too little. This is especially true once Lanchow falls or is isolated. Poof, no more HI supply production due to lack of fuel.
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RE: Japanese land in OZ!!

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If I were you I would take a more humble approach to things then throwing out "bad players". Especially when basing it on one single game you have played....

Well I have played at approx 8 games as allies, only 2 of which have been Dababes.

As for giving details in regards to this..
Secondly, you don't give enough information to treat this post seriously. What does 'cruising' mean to you and how is that manifested in game? How did you effect such an early positive result in China? What opposition did you face and how did you defeat it? How did you deal with the problems discussed here of lack of supply, heavy Japanese bombing of troops, and the lack of anything to battle japanese armor?

I believe it would be a waste of time given the responses above.

Obviously it can't be defended against a good opponent and all my opponents were/are complete retards.
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Hopefully, the new mod of Between The Storm (BTS) that I'll be playing vs Cribtop will be better for China. John 3rd and I increased defensive forts, increased Japanese garrison requirements, less disabled industry at Chungking and Changsha, and slight tweaks to some weapons and supplies gernerated will make this theater more a draw than a win for Japan. Like others have said, making it a major focus for Japan still means it can be almost completely overrun. I just hope it is more costly with these changes.
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RE: Japanese land in OZ!!

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Obviously it can't be defended against a good opponent and all my opponents were/are complete retards.

Yes, that would appear to be the case.
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ORIGINAL: Deserted Fox
I believe it would be a waste of time given the responses above.

Obviously it can't be defended against a good opponent and all my opponents were/are complete retards.

I´m not sure what kind of response you expected considering your first post. If you decide to claim a large portion of the players including myself are "bad players" I would recommend backing that up with something more then "full stop...end of story."



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[font="Verdana"] 21th of April -42 [/font]
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Sorry for the lack of updates. Been away for most of the day so we "only" managed 3 turns today. [:)] Some very interesting SIGINT and nice CAP trap over OZ.

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CENTPAC
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Mostly quiet as the Allied fleet refits, take on new planes and conduct maintenance. No more signs of the AMCs.

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West Coast
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Some substantial reinforcements as the 32nd and 41st ID pack up and board the ships. They will join up with various other convoys including 2 Tank BTLs from PH. This convoy will be heavily guarded. Destination is not really decided yet. But my thinking is to use them offensively. I have to start getting VPs back...

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SOPAC
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Managed to get some Recon up over Noumea. Looks like I found the KB (or parts of it). A TF showed CVs and 180 bombers. Another TF was showing CVEs. MKB?

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OZ
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I dashed in about 150 allied fighters over Sydney to try and stopp the VP bleed. It worked a lot better then expected. Having Hurricanes in the mix made all the difference as I can place them above Toms sweeps. So for the first time I did not just get chewed up but I dished out some too. Helped that the sweep came in after the bomb run [:)]
Morning Air attack on Sydney , at 90,167

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 99
G3M2 Nell x 81


Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 15
Kittyhawk IA x 16
P-39D Airacobra x 143


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
G3M2 Nell: 11 destroyed, 9 damaged


Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed
Morning Air attack on Sydney , at 90,167

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 45

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 15
Kittyhawk IA x 16
P-39D Airacobra x 130


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 2 destroyed

The success is short lived though as I can´t cover all the bases with adequate CAP and the following day Tom hits other targets.

I also got some very interesting SIGINT.
4th/A Division is planning for an attack on Perth.

If this is true its very good news. Tom hasn´t done his homework it seems. I almost never use Perth for anything. In fact I sent most of the Merchants from Aden/CT to Panama on the very first turn. Then again Tom might have done his homework but is after the 50x multiplier....

I usually have a ground ambush/counter attack in place for this but I pulled the troops to use in the planned offensive. While a part of me is thinking to get them back in place I´ve decided not to. I don´t want to react on what Tom does any longer. My offensive will go on as planned. Perth will be left to its fate for now.

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Fuel shortage!
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This is becoming critical. Not sure if its DBB having less endurance on the ships or if I made a mistake somewhere. But fuel has never been this bad before. I´m hurting badly in OZ/NZ/SOPAC. Extremely glad I didn´t send the BBs down here or they would have been unable to move!

Its so bad I actually have two convoys that can´t get back to Christmas (my nearest fuel hub that has fuel) to refuel. They are currently disbanded in ports in NZ.

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Obviously it can't be defended against a good opponent and all my opponents were/are complete retards.

Yes, that would appear to be the case.

Good to see you again, Princep!

PS - FYI, that's pronounced [re-taards]. The e is supposed to be a schwa sound. You remember, like the movie with Mike Tyson's tiger?
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[font="Verdana"] 26th of April -42 [/font]
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Turns are flying this morning. Its just 13:00 here and we are already on the 5th turn. Not too much to report though.

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China
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The collapse continues. Japanese forces will cross into Kienko in 2-4 turns. I have 1200 AV there but 0 supply. So Tom should have no problem crossing the river.

Troops in the treeline are being pummeled.
Ground combat at 81,41 (near Ankang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 27343 troops, 367 guns, 223 vehicles, Assault Value = 1191

Defending force 25495 troops, 70 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 311

Japanese adjusted assault: 500

Allied adjusted defense: 181

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
824 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 46 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Guns lost 12 (2 destroyed, 10 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
8659 casualties reported
Squads: 312 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 384 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 5 (3 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Units retreated 11

I´m suffering 2-3 losses like this each turn as Tom pushes what used to be the the Chinese defensive line before him.

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Rest of the World
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Very little to report. I´m waiting for the fleet to get in place and transport to reach their destinations.

First allied offensive operation have begun! Finally! [&o]
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Logistics...Logistics...Logistics... [:D]

Like I've told you before, use those xAKs with dual capacity to carry fuel. You have enough xAKs to carry supplies. You MUST micro-manage your transports. Set them to "Do Not Refuel" for the most part in eastern and south Pacific. I use "Minimal Refuel" when they need to get back from NZ/OZ to USA. Most of mine get home with almost dry fuel tanks.

OK, lecture over! [;)]
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Logistics...Logistics...Logistics... [:D]

Like I've told you before, use those xAKs with dual capacity to carry fuel. You have enough xAKs to carry supplies. You MUST micro-manage your transports. Set them to "Do Not Refuel" for the most part in eastern and south Pacific. I use "Minimal Refuel" when they need to get back from NZ/OZ to USA. Most of mine get home with almost dry fuel tanks.

OK, lecture over! [;)]

Already doing all that! Not sure why fuel is so short! Might be that I have been more active with my navy then I usually am...
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[font="Verdana"] 1st of May -42 [/font]
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At least some things are starting to go my way! Good news above the skies in OZ.

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China
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As predicted Tom shock attacks into Kienko without much problems. He will break through here tomorrow.
Ground combat at Kienko (78,41)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 40781 troops, 699 guns, 635 vehicles, Assault Value = 939

Defending force 48583 troops, 216 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1229

Japanese adjusted assault: 512

Allied adjusted defense: 347 [8|]

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
2361 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 200 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 27 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 25 disabled


Allied ground losses:
4272 casualties reported
Squads: 96 destroyed, 145 disabled
Non Combat: 61 destroyed, 66 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 15 (2 destroyed, 13 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Things in the woods are not looking better...
Ground combat at 81,42 (near Ankang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 38134 troops, 830 guns, 569 vehicles, Assault Value = 782

Defending force 49005 troops, 233 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 678

Japanese adjusted assault: 642

Allied adjusted defense: 919

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
250 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 19 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 12 (3 destroyed, 9 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
3562 casualties reported
Squads: 249 destroyed, 54 disabled
Non Combat: 18 destroyed, 30 disabled
Engineers: 7 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 16 (11 destroyed, 5 disabled
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Ground combat at 81,42 (near Ankang)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 6474 troops, 505 guns, 407 vehicles, Assault Value = 766

Defending force 50937 troops, 248 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 781

Allied ground losses:
2555 casualties reported [X(]
Squads: 125 destroyed, [X(] 14 disabled
Non Combat: 23 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 13 (9 destroyed, 4 disabled)



These are just a fraction of all the attacks in China right now. Its just painful to watch. Supply at all Japanese bases including Chungking is now 0. (Actually 20 in Chunking).

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OZ
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Some better news here as I manage to ambush Tom with a big CAP over Sydney. Manage to outsmart him for once. I moved the fighters in to LRCAP Newcastle which had been visited the previous day. This failed as Tom shifted target. But I knew Tom wouldn´t miss the fighters so I took a chance and stood them down. This worked well as 150 Zeroes strato swept the following day. I then put the CAP back up and sure enough the bombers came in the following day. [:)]
Morning Air attack on Sydney , at 90,167

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 132
G3M2 Nell x 35


Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 11
Kittyhawk IA x 11
P-39D Airacobra x 122


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed
G3M2 Nell: 14 destroyed, 1 damaged
G3M2 Nell: 1 destroyed by flak


Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed on ground

In the replay two more strikes came in getting chewed up. Sadly this was just sync bug...still 22 Nells and 15 Zeroes for 7 own losses.

Two days later Tom was back at Newcastle. Unfortunately for Tom I had just snuck in some US Heavy AA into OZ... [:'(]
Morning Air attack on Newcastle , at 92,166

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 69
G3M2 Nell x 36


Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 11 damaged
G3M2 Nell: 6 destroyed by flak


Resources hits 18
Morning Air attack on Newcastle , at 92,166

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 56 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M2 Nell x 45

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 18 damaged
G3M2 Nell: 3 destroyed by flak


Resources hits 11
Morning Air attack on Newcastle , at 92,166

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 28 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M2 Nell x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 10 damaged
G3M2 Nell: 3 destroyed by flak


Resources hits 13

33 Nells are shot down. Nice. [:)]

Tom has now lost about 300 Nells/Betties over OZ. Sadly this is dwarfed by the 5000 Strat points he has taken.

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KB
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Once I got NavS up over Noumea again Tom started plastering everything in sight while scurrying out with the KB. Got conformation that they are returning via SIGINT this turn. Very rare! [:)]
a Shokaku class CV is moving to Noumea (115,160).

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OP. Something Something
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Tom should spot me tomorrow. I hope I´ll catch him a bit off guard!

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[font="Verdana"] 2nd of May -42 [/font]
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Some very interesting SIGINT this turn...

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China
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Don´t think I need to post anything. You know how it looks. [;)]

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SIGINT
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So Tom is after all playing a bit of the PSYOPS game...[:'(] (If you remember he made a comment in an email where he was pretty nonchalant about Pago Pago.)

2/48th Division is planning for an attack on Upolu.
14th Army is planning for an attack on Pago Pago.


Not sure this will ever materialize but if it does I´m as ready as I can be.

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Something Something
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Looks like I did achieve surprise after all. [:)]

Paras drop as planned. I even think Tom missed the Armor last turn. B17s hit the SNLF causing about 150 casualties.

Tom complained it was bad timing for him as he ran out of Zeroes...I´ll take that with a grain of salt! [:)]


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Toowoomba! That's just fun to say! Nice little Op. Is re-taking Brisbane the immediate goal or just a harassing move for now?
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Toowoomba! That's just fun to say! Nice little Op. Is re-taking Brisbane the immediate goal or just a harassing move for now?

Haha, indeed! [:D]

I hope for a swift capture of Brisbane. Not sure I will be able though but I´m going to try. At the very least it will force Tom to start reacting to me rather then the other way around. [:)]
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[font="Verdana"] 3rd of May -42 [/font]
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China
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Units with 0 supply doesn´t build forts? [:(] Can anyone confirm this? If so its "another blow to your morale"...

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CENTPAC
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A mighty fleet is assembling at a secret location. I think I´ve made up my mind on where to send them. It will not be an offensive action in the purest sense but it will add pressure on Toms already exposed flank.

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OZ
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Toowoomba is secured! Great news. [:)]
Ground combat at Toowoomba (94,159)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 3729 troops, 0 guns, 363 vehicles, Assault Value = 208

Defending force 1767 troops, 19 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 55

Allied adjusted assault: 292

Japanese adjusted defense: 58

Allied assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Toowoomba !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
435 casualties reported
Squads: 22 destroyed, 23 disabled
Non Combat: 12 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 12 (6 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1


Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

During the day we also managed to hit the LRCAP over Toowoomba shooting down 14 Zeroes for 7 own losses. The A6M3 makes its combat debut by getting all 7 planes shot down.

I now have Brisbane in a pincer. Recon shows 32500 troops, 230 Guns and 51 AFVs there. I know Tom had a full ID at Townsville just a couple of days ago. Will he rail them back and try to defend Brisbane? Or will he consider the affair a done deal with over 5000 VP points bagged and simply pull out? There are more VPs to be had but the big concentrations left are in Sydney and Melbourne. Harder to get to...
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That's am awesomely low casualty total for the attacker in a shock attack. You had them disrupted and divined their lack of AT weapons! [:D] Good job!
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That's am awesomely low casualty total for the attacker in a shock attack. You had them disrupted and divined their lack of AT weapons! [:D] Good job!

Thanks! Yeah, those SNLF squads only have 5 in Anti Armor value and most of the tanks are Matildas and Grant/Lees. [:)]
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[font="Verdana"] OZ [/font]
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Forgot to attach the screen. Known Japanese major combat formations are the 21st and 38th ID. The 21st havn´t been seen since February though. Tom might have shipped them out. I also know the 33rd ID (or at least 1/3rd of it) is at Noumea. I´m also missing 2-3 IDs that was freed up on Java (2 went to Burma) and 1 from Manila. So worst case scenario I could be facing 6 IDs. While that would be enough to prevent me from liberating Brisbane its nowhere enough to threaten Sydney/Melbourne. Nor is it enough to try and take offensive action against 5 full allied IDs that is properly supported. So it would be a stalemate.

And if Tom put all his eggs in the OZ basket it will open up opportunities elsewhere. Very soon I will have twice the number of Japanese IDs in the area. I would say that for now I´m cautiously optimistic. [:)]

I have a reserve force in place but that would put Sydney and Melbourne under 500 AV each. I´m reluctant to strip them too much although forts are nearing 6 now.

The P40 continues to be a disappointment in the air while the P39 is doing way better then expected. Not sure why as the stats are very similar. Could be just a coincidence. Or I´m colored by my loathing for the P40 in this game! [:D]

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I love the humble P-39. I've even beaten Zero stratosweeps with it. It probably does better because it has a cannon, while the P-40s just have machine guns [;)]. Cannons = good.

Just beware that you're not moving prematurely here. It could hurt to lose a bunch of Australian devices from your LCUs.
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I love the humble P-39. I've even beaten Zero stratosweeps with it. It probably does better because it has a cannon, while the P-40s just have machine guns [;)]. Cannons = good.

Just beware that you're not moving prematurely here. It could hurt to lose a bunch of Australian devices from your LCUs.

Cannons do help! [:D]

Yeah, that would suck badly and I am worried about moving too soon. Normally I would perhaps wait for 2 more US IDs but I need to stop the VP bleed and start working on my own VP count.

I hope I caught him off guard with too few forces in the area. The 6th and 7th are very powerful units but the 1st...not so much. I hope I can use the 25th and Americal primarily if there are heavy fighting. I reckon Tom can´t have that much available in OZ right now.

This is what I believe Japan has available (JFBs please let me know if I´m missing something)
-Imperial Guards at Temuloh (late FEB)
-2nd ID (last seen on Java about 1 months ago
-4th ID (last seen on Java about 1 months ago)
-18th ID (Confirmed in Burma recently)
-21st ID. (Last seen at Brisbane 2 months ago)
-33rd ID (parts of it last seen at Noumea recently)
-38th ID (Last seen at Townsville 2 weeks ago)
-48th ID (Last seen at Manila. Prepping for the Samoas)
-56th (Last seen on Java)
I´m guessing the Imperial Guards and 18th are in Burma. That leaves "only" 6 IDs available and I very much doubt the 48th have had time to move to SOPAC yet. So at an absolute maximum this would mean 5 IDs and I would be very surprised if he put them all in OZ.

EDIT: Updated with missing IDs
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