NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs 1EyedJack & Rysyonok (J) - BTS

[John 3rd]

YOUR my mental health councelor...

[ny59giants]

FINALLY!!

Turn one arrived at 2am my time, August 19, 2014

I'll do the easy part and China before going to work today.

Details to follow on plans.

[topeverest]

good to be underway. I almost gave up

[John 3rd]

PRAISE BE!

[&o][&o][&o]

[ny59giants]

My turn one done and sent back to Cribtop.

China - get out of clear terrain!!

[JocMeister]

Good luck Micheal! [:)]

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

My turn one done and sent back to Cribtop.

China - get out of clear terrain!!

Elephants have been birthed in less time . . . [8D]

Enjoy.

[ny59giants]

or a moose! [;)]

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

or a moose! [;)]

Yeah, but we come out lookin' GOOOOOOOOOOOD! [:)]

[DOCUP]

Rip Van Winkle just woke up from his nap. 

[ny59giants]

I think we feel asleep again. I sent back my first turn to Cribtop two days ago. Still haven't gotten it back yet. [X(] The forum knows what happened per John 3rd's and my phone call yesterday, but I don't. [:(] [&:]

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

I think we feel asleep again. I sent back my first turn to Cribtop two days ago. Still haven't gotten it back yet. [X(] The forum knows what happened per John 3rd's and my phone call yesterday, but I don't. [:(] [&:]

Bound to be some "teething problems" in such a big mod. The gallery must be patient while these are solved. Easy for us - we do not have our pixeltruppen at risk!

[JocMeister]

The first couple of turns always take time. [:)]

[ny59giants]

Finally got turn 2 back. I'll have to see what carnage was caused. It will be until late Friday or early Saturday until the Allied turn 2 click-fest is over. Details to follow....

[ny59giants]

Date: 41 Dec 7th

Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; (*) = destroyed aircraft; If odds are italics, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons); FG fighter group = 25 fighter planes if American

Landings:
Aparri; Kota Bharu; Batan Island (falls)

CVs:
KB1 - 3 North Pearl
KB2 - 3 North Pearl
KB3 - 3 East Manila
KB4 - MIA (starts at Cam Rahn Bay)
CVEs - MIA (starts at Saipan)

Subs:
I was hoping that Cribtop was doing the usual with KB. I got lucky to have SS Plunger be slightly west of due north, and three hexes from Pearl. CVL Ryukaku TT x1

India/Burma: Not yet [;)]

China:
Hong Kong - 10 Nate, 23 Lily, 24 Sonia, 14 Sally, 27 Ida (total)
Ichang - 1 NW by 17 Nate & 12 Ann
Siangtan - one hex away was 12 Sonia

Malaya:
Alor Star - 27 Zero & 52 Sally followed by 32 Oscar & 25 Lily
Georgetown - 27 Sally
Kota Bharu - 9 Nate, 22 Sally
Kuantan - 9 Zero, 9 Nell, 22 Betty

Philippines:

Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 63
G3M2 Nell x 54
G4M1 Betty x 108

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
AM Tanager, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS S-38, Bomb hits 1
SS Searaven, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
AV Ely, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
SS S-41, Bomb hits 2, heavy damage
SS Skipjack, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
SS Snapper, Bomb hits 1
SS Saury, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
AO Trinity, Bomb hits 1
SS Sailfish, Bomb hits 2
xAK American Leader, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AM Bittern, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
AM Finch, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
YO-42, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Ethel Edwards, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AM Whippoorwill, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
xAK Tantalus, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAK Si Kiang, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS Sculpin, Bomb hits 2
PG Tulsa, Bomb hits 2, on fire
xAKL Sagoland, Bomb hits 2, on fire
xAP Rochambeau, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS S-37, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
AS Canopus, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
SS Spearfish, Bomb hits 1
AVD Childs, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Sargo, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
PG Asheville, Bomb hits 1
PG Isabel, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AS Otus, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires
SS Seadragon, Bomb hits 2
TK Gertrude Kellogg, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
SS Seal, Bomb hits 1
TK Hai Kwang, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Seawolf, Bomb hits 1
PT Q-113, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
xAP Neptuna, Bomb hits 1
ACM Colonel Harrison, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Repair Shipyard hits 3
Port hits 8
Port fuel hits 3
Port supply hits 3

Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft - Fron CV/CVL located 3 hexes due East
A6M2 Zero x 24
B5N2 Kate x 53
B5N2-C Kate x 3
D3A1 Val x 45

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
SS Seadragon, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SS Saury, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
SS S-37, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
SS Skipjack, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
YO-41, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
SS Seawolf, Bomb hits 1
SS Sealion, Bomb hits 2
SS Sturgeon, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
xAKL Dona Nati, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAK Tantalus, Bomb hits 2, on fire
PT-35, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
SS Sailfish, Bomb hits 2, heavy damage
SS S-38, Bomb hits 1
xAP Rochambeau, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
SS Sargo, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
ARD YFD-1 Dewey, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Seal, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
SS S-41, and is sunk

Repair Shipyard hits 1
Port hits 5
Port fuel hits 1

Five more subs will be tied up pier side and will probably sink.

SRA: Quiet...[>:]

New Guinea/Solomons: [>:]

Central Pacific:

Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 45 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 88
B5N2 Kate x 123
B5N2-C Kate x 3
D3A1 Val x 102

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 14 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 2 destroyed by flak
D3A1 Val: 7 damaged
D3A1 Val: 3 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 43 damaged
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground
B-18A Bolo: 30 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 2 destroyed on ground
P-40B Warhawk: 71 damaged
P-40B Warhawk: 8 destroyed on ground
PBY-5 Catalina: 58 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 2 destroyed on ground
P-36A Mohawk: 29 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 1 destroyed on ground
SBD-1 Dauntless: 29 damaged
SBD-1 Dauntless: 1 destroyed on ground
A-20A Havoc: 22 damaged
A-20A Havoc: 3 destroyed on ground
B-17E Fortress: 11 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground
O-47A: 10 damaged
O-47A: 1 destroyed on ground
SNJ-3 Texan: 2 damaged
C-33: 2 damaged
R3D-2: 2 damaged
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB Oklahoma, Torpedo hits 6, on fire, heavy damage 35-74(54)-17(13) 255 days
BB Idaho, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage 33-64(35)-61(30) 196 days
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire 23-37(37)-29(15) 43 days
BB California, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage 60-52(35)-44(26) 279 days
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 5, heavy damage 38-80(40)-19(10) 196 days
CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire 23-21(20)-2 22 days
BB New Mexico, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 3, heavy damage 25-84(62)-31(22) 401 days
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 1 8-2-0 3 days
ARD YFD-2, Torpedo hits 1
DD Blue, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CL Anchorage, Torpedo hits 1
DMS Wasmuth, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CA Minneapolis, Torpedo hits 1 19-16(12)-0 13 days
BB Nevada, Torpedo hits 2 1-40(32)-21(20) 125 days
DD MacDonough, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 26
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 58
Port hits 22
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 1

Base damage is 26-32-30. Not too bad. I'm surprised that Oklahoma is still afloat with 6 TT hits.

South Pacific: [>:]

North Pacific: [>:]

Engineers: [>:]

Intel:
Legaspi is targeted

Notes/Plans:

See separate posting

[ny59giants]

Sunk on 12/7/41: BB California, 2 PT, 5 subs (5 more highly damaged at Manila), DMS, AM, AS.

What would you do??
Cribtop went ALL in on port attack on Manila. He left the AFs on Luzon alone. Thus, I have 3 groups of P-40Es and one of Bs. In BTS, you can use PP to buy out the American fighters here. Allies start with 300 PP and get 60 per day. I have 360 to use. Since BTS has RA deployment, for the most part, I have 3 A-24 Banshee that need time to recover and get some training at Darwin. Would you buy out some fighters from Luzon?? If so, how many?? Where would they go??

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants
In BTS, you can use PP to buy out the American fighters here. Allies start with 300 PP and get 60 per day.

Do those squadrons get withdrawn in Spring-Summer 1942?

Some of those P40s have a bomb, I think one squadron if I recall. I have jumped it somewhere safe, trained for a week or so depending upon situation, and then used it in strafing naval attacks as a surprise!

[topeverest]

That result is a big win in my book.

Expect sweeps to catch your fighters this turn. I'd probably move the fighters to Bataan and wait a turn for CAP wars with better odds. What did he do in DEI - mersing?

POW & R? These assets wreak havoc if they are still around after D.

Any thoughts on surface counterpulsing in DEI and where to use the CV's for ambush? Or are you thinking a Kurils invasion?

[JocMeister]

I would wait with buying them out. They can easily hide on PI bases for now while training. PPs will be premium and you won´t have much use for fighters until he stops sweeping and starts bombing.

Then again I think I remember in RA Jap pilot quality is lowered. Perhaps they can even stand up to Sweeps in a couple of weeks of training. [:)]

[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: ny59giants
In BTS, you can use PP to buy out the American fighters here. Allies start with 300 PP and get 60 per day.

Do those squadrons get withdrawn in Spring-Summer 1942?

Some of those P40s have a bomb, I think one squadron if I recall. I have jumped it somewhere safe, trained for a week or so depending upon situation, and then used it in strafing naval attacks as a surprise!

The Es carry bombs the Bs don't. They all withdraw in summer, but they are still worth the cost to get the use of them for that short duration in a theater where no fighters exist....OZ.

Look at what Mr. Kane did against Jocke by exploiting the fact that there are zero fighters in OZ in the early days of the war.

For that very reason strat bombing in Oz fro VPs shouldn't be allowed in the first six months. Too much like easy mode for Japan the way it is currently structured.

However, the presence of a fighter group, no matter how undertrained, is better than none.