Lost in Windows 8
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RE: Lost in Windows 8
I would be in favor of a nuclear battery(have no idea how they would do it.) But a small battery for a cell phone would not be too dangerous. No problem for me if any risk. Progress is more important.
RE: Lost in Windows 8
Well, boats and RVs run DC. For solving the energy crisis it is not practical--the reason for AC (alternating current) is transmission. Otherwise our lines would be enormously thick. As an example transmission lines in Europe are roughly twice as thick because they run at the less efficient 50hrtz as opposed to 60hrtz the U.S. uses. Just that 10 hrtz difference equate to a 20 percent loss. The 'alternating' is most effective at 220v, 60 Hrtz. Early on however Telsa compromised at 120v--
For storing and converting the very first converters were to go from AC to Dc. Since the technology can work in reverse to go from DC to AC they renamed them inverters. You always get lees out than you put in...today's tech is pretty much at a standstill at 20 percent loss. Add to this of course the power requirment to manufacture all that is needed from the panels, batteries and inverters, the toxic waste issues and so on and the sensible fear may well be not only is the cost too high but the cure may well be far worse than the illness. Anyone who works at a battery factory has to be tested monthly-- now imagine if this was amplified world wide if everyone was on solar dependant on them. The disposal issues alone would make disposal issues of a level 4 nuclear plant a cakewalk. Wether you invert the DC before or after the storage batteries (both are possible) leakage from tranformers pose another enviromental hazard.
It's like anything else. All hype--very little actual truth. Be it 'renewables" to "recyclables". here in the US as an example, by our governments own figures hardly any actual plastic recycling even happens here. About 1 percent. the rest is sent on barges to china. Plastic has to be hand shifted, and only 1 type is actually recyclable and that is only once. the cost of shifting and picking too high, except for chinese children apparantly. Though a tree can be regrown 'recycled' paper is popular--the polluting chemicals to bleach and prepare the used paper is far worse than just cutting down a tree but it matters not for those on this idealogical agenda. Me I'm for cheap , clean and practical energy, but i am smart enough to also know whatever that may be it first MUST be able to fit into our current energy grid. No one is going to manufacture a totally new grid for any new energy source...so in practical terms that boils down to the fuel used to turn that turbine that already sits in place. Personally i like Helium 3--found on the moon--a shuttle full would power the US for 6 months---but of course our "green" president killed the shuttle program so go figure.
But back on point-- you could go DC homebased much like an RV or boat and cut costs and power loss via conversion--but keep in mind like a car, DC is usually LOW POWER. There are low power dc refrigerators, water heaters, etc --as there are in RV and boats--but they do not work as well as their AC counterparts. To turn a compressor takes high power--and dc current at that level would produce enough heat to fry your home for the same reason your not see DC power lines along a road.
However, depending where you live and the politics involved--if there's a "buy back" policy with the power companies then the battery problem on the home level can be eliminated. When it's cloudy your use energy from the grid and on sunny days the grid pays you for the power you feed. the grid eliminated the need to store power. But I'll point out this hardly solves the overall problem. the power plant still exists to feed the grid. You haven't replaced that. But your energy needs have lowered so of course less power plants need to be built. Wether you 'reduced' pollution is very arguable however. those panels, supports and all have to be manufactured. That takes power and that pollutes. In fact manufacturing any semi-conductor is pretty polluting as there's lots of toxic chemicals involved in the process. And what is their life rated at before they need to be replaced? And where do you discard them? Most studies I've seen on this are totally unreliable with political agenda that scew the numbers in their favor--on both sides- making a level informed decision on the matter very hard. so hard we could create another thread and 100 pages in no one could conclude anything lol
One thing I am sure of...this mobile craze is set to go nowhere fast because nothing is going to make that smartphone last a full day's charge under average use. And nothing in the forseeable future. there's absolutely nothing on the table at all.
You want GPS? better have a charger plugged into the car or your phone will die in less than hour. want to play a game? Do anything? That ain't changing. It just ain't.
For storing and converting the very first converters were to go from AC to Dc. Since the technology can work in reverse to go from DC to AC they renamed them inverters. You always get lees out than you put in...today's tech is pretty much at a standstill at 20 percent loss. Add to this of course the power requirment to manufacture all that is needed from the panels, batteries and inverters, the toxic waste issues and so on and the sensible fear may well be not only is the cost too high but the cure may well be far worse than the illness. Anyone who works at a battery factory has to be tested monthly-- now imagine if this was amplified world wide if everyone was on solar dependant on them. The disposal issues alone would make disposal issues of a level 4 nuclear plant a cakewalk. Wether you invert the DC before or after the storage batteries (both are possible) leakage from tranformers pose another enviromental hazard.
It's like anything else. All hype--very little actual truth. Be it 'renewables" to "recyclables". here in the US as an example, by our governments own figures hardly any actual plastic recycling even happens here. About 1 percent. the rest is sent on barges to china. Plastic has to be hand shifted, and only 1 type is actually recyclable and that is only once. the cost of shifting and picking too high, except for chinese children apparantly. Though a tree can be regrown 'recycled' paper is popular--the polluting chemicals to bleach and prepare the used paper is far worse than just cutting down a tree but it matters not for those on this idealogical agenda. Me I'm for cheap , clean and practical energy, but i am smart enough to also know whatever that may be it first MUST be able to fit into our current energy grid. No one is going to manufacture a totally new grid for any new energy source...so in practical terms that boils down to the fuel used to turn that turbine that already sits in place. Personally i like Helium 3--found on the moon--a shuttle full would power the US for 6 months---but of course our "green" president killed the shuttle program so go figure.
But back on point-- you could go DC homebased much like an RV or boat and cut costs and power loss via conversion--but keep in mind like a car, DC is usually LOW POWER. There are low power dc refrigerators, water heaters, etc --as there are in RV and boats--but they do not work as well as their AC counterparts. To turn a compressor takes high power--and dc current at that level would produce enough heat to fry your home for the same reason your not see DC power lines along a road.
However, depending where you live and the politics involved--if there's a "buy back" policy with the power companies then the battery problem on the home level can be eliminated. When it's cloudy your use energy from the grid and on sunny days the grid pays you for the power you feed. the grid eliminated the need to store power. But I'll point out this hardly solves the overall problem. the power plant still exists to feed the grid. You haven't replaced that. But your energy needs have lowered so of course less power plants need to be built. Wether you 'reduced' pollution is very arguable however. those panels, supports and all have to be manufactured. That takes power and that pollutes. In fact manufacturing any semi-conductor is pretty polluting as there's lots of toxic chemicals involved in the process. And what is their life rated at before they need to be replaced? And where do you discard them? Most studies I've seen on this are totally unreliable with political agenda that scew the numbers in their favor--on both sides- making a level informed decision on the matter very hard. so hard we could create another thread and 100 pages in no one could conclude anything lol
One thing I am sure of...this mobile craze is set to go nowhere fast because nothing is going to make that smartphone last a full day's charge under average use. And nothing in the forseeable future. there's absolutely nothing on the table at all.
You want GPS? better have a charger plugged into the car or your phone will die in less than hour. want to play a game? Do anything? That ain't changing. It just ain't.
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RE: Lost in Windows 8
ORIGINAL: eyegore
Well, boats and RVs run DC....
I'm aware of the overall nature of energy production and consumption, I do not have ideological reasons for wanting
a replacement power source for my house. I seem to be getting my power shut off at least one every few months,
for one reason or another.
There are a number of problems with residential photovoltaic installations in my area. One of the problems for me is
the buy backs are financialized and rolled in with the incentives into a single package deal. The installers push
hard on the low cost and avoid any technical discussion or detailed disclosures of their own cut in the financing
schemes.
So, one of my issues is with the idea that I have of maintaining some power source when the solar units either fail
or due to extended poor weather do not produce enough power during a utility outage.
So, I was thinking of batteries as a storage and maybe 2 day power supply. Obviously, the cheapest thing would be an
automotive based solution. A large rack of car batteries wired into a dc to ac box and then through a switch into the
house main.
Trouble is, no one, (contractors) is willing to even talk to me about it.
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RE: Lost in Windows 8
It really bothers me,I cant even download burn a film,
RE: Lost in Windows 8
A large rack of truck batteries would be better.
RE: Lost in Windows 8
Indeed. the problem with car/truck batteries is their lifespan. If you can get 3 years your lucky. Remember the 5 year battery years ago? Where did they go? Well, there really was no 5 year battery. it was a marketing scheme. Garantee a battery for 5 years to give the impression of better quality, and in 3 years pro-rate a refund on time left. Then they started a competetion on the scheme itself until it balooned to be unprofitable. So now a warranted battery is 3 years--because that has always been the lifespan.
A rack of truck batteries, costing roughly $150 each...which is a very low sale price estimate, to reach a solution of 2 days worth of power-- to DC ready appliances- would in the very least consist of 10, if not 20 of them. In the end, whatever you monthly energy bill- going this route just the upkeep would run $100 a month not even concidering the upkeep on the rest of the system.
Seems to me the most cost effective way to deal with periodic outages that can last a day or more is still the old fashioned gas powered generator. Diesel would be far more realiable and a properly maintained Diesel generator would run decades--if your idealogically bent on the green issue then a converted one that ran on biofuel seems the practical angle--but I'll point out biofuels have driven the price of a $5 steak to $15 in the supermarket because no one grows the corn for feed anymore when the biofuel is far more profitable. But the poor have always been hungry-why worry about food costs?
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Now re-reading your post I see this is not DC based appliances--and your need a DC to AC invertor---I do not think the the average 60 amp car/truck battery would work....you'd need 120 amps before conversion to get to the standard base of 100 amps on an AC home. ( a standard DC based RV is a 15 to 25 amp system).You could wire them in series to double the 60 amps to create 120 amps but the high power drain would require a much larger bank of batteries than my above 'guess' estimate. if you plugged an AC refigerator via an invertor to a common car battery you'd drain the battery within 30 minutes. Now add in the rest of your high drain appliances. You've reached cost prohibited territory---and unlike a solar powered power plant there is no government substities to grant "until the tech catches up". Remember that U-boat of 1936? That was a huge bank of very large batteries driving a very effective engine and the silent running was very limited time wise. it no way approached 2 days. More like 2 hours. Again the tech has not budged since- so do not expect more.
The bio-fuel generator is looking even better now. the cost of the generator would be lower than that bank of batteries and 10 gallons of bio-fuel would run it 2 days easy. An idle diesel engine uses very little fuel. Still that's $40 for 2 days of power-far more expensive than what the grid is offering up--which brings us back to my first point. At this time there is no solution to the energy problem. It won't be found in Windmills or Solar. Bio-fuel have soared food costs.
In the end if people "really" were concerned they be buying their drinks in Glass, their milk in cardboard and not plastic---which, contrary to myth-is not recyclable and is a petro product. From that poly-based rug on the floor to the synethic linens in the bath-petro based products have completely dominated our life style. It used to not be that way. milk was sold in waxed cardboard, grocery bags were renewable paper-as was the meat that was wrapped in them. Glass brang us soda to water.And the rug under your feet was wool. But today's Earth child is a plastic based consumer to all ends. Stop that first- and I'll start taking the issue more seriously as far as the political discussion. As for the practical solution again, you would need to convert completely to DC--all appliances- then, you'd be in a territory where a self powered home could work using a combination of wind and solar. It probably would cost about the same- and you'd certainly notice the huge difference between low powered DC appliances to their high powered AC counterparts. But it would be doable in the least.
A rack of truck batteries, costing roughly $150 each...which is a very low sale price estimate, to reach a solution of 2 days worth of power-- to DC ready appliances- would in the very least consist of 10, if not 20 of them. In the end, whatever you monthly energy bill- going this route just the upkeep would run $100 a month not even concidering the upkeep on the rest of the system.
Seems to me the most cost effective way to deal with periodic outages that can last a day or more is still the old fashioned gas powered generator. Diesel would be far more realiable and a properly maintained Diesel generator would run decades--if your idealogically bent on the green issue then a converted one that ran on biofuel seems the practical angle--but I'll point out biofuels have driven the price of a $5 steak to $15 in the supermarket because no one grows the corn for feed anymore when the biofuel is far more profitable. But the poor have always been hungry-why worry about food costs?
edit:
Now re-reading your post I see this is not DC based appliances--and your need a DC to AC invertor---I do not think the the average 60 amp car/truck battery would work....you'd need 120 amps before conversion to get to the standard base of 100 amps on an AC home. ( a standard DC based RV is a 15 to 25 amp system).You could wire them in series to double the 60 amps to create 120 amps but the high power drain would require a much larger bank of batteries than my above 'guess' estimate. if you plugged an AC refigerator via an invertor to a common car battery you'd drain the battery within 30 minutes. Now add in the rest of your high drain appliances. You've reached cost prohibited territory---and unlike a solar powered power plant there is no government substities to grant "until the tech catches up". Remember that U-boat of 1936? That was a huge bank of very large batteries driving a very effective engine and the silent running was very limited time wise. it no way approached 2 days. More like 2 hours. Again the tech has not budged since- so do not expect more.
The bio-fuel generator is looking even better now. the cost of the generator would be lower than that bank of batteries and 10 gallons of bio-fuel would run it 2 days easy. An idle diesel engine uses very little fuel. Still that's $40 for 2 days of power-far more expensive than what the grid is offering up--which brings us back to my first point. At this time there is no solution to the energy problem. It won't be found in Windmills or Solar. Bio-fuel have soared food costs.
In the end if people "really" were concerned they be buying their drinks in Glass, their milk in cardboard and not plastic---which, contrary to myth-is not recyclable and is a petro product. From that poly-based rug on the floor to the synethic linens in the bath-petro based products have completely dominated our life style. It used to not be that way. milk was sold in waxed cardboard, grocery bags were renewable paper-as was the meat that was wrapped in them. Glass brang us soda to water.And the rug under your feet was wool. But today's Earth child is a plastic based consumer to all ends. Stop that first- and I'll start taking the issue more seriously as far as the political discussion. As for the practical solution again, you would need to convert completely to DC--all appliances- then, you'd be in a territory where a self powered home could work using a combination of wind and solar. It probably would cost about the same- and you'd certainly notice the huge difference between low powered DC appliances to their high powered AC counterparts. But it would be doable in the least.
RE: Lost in Windows 8
well so off topic now i forgot what the debate was about, how about we cook some bacon and eggs and all go camping, or not[:-]
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RE: Lost in Windows 8
lol yeah sorry about that. The point being Windows 8 is a mobile based GUI across everything-- It's like redressing the horse and carriage to replace a toyota concidering the base tech here has been dead 100 years and ain't ever going to change from being a horse and carriage. All to support the idea I can get greasy fingerprints on my 26 inch display. I spend a lot of effort trying to keep that bugger clean and here comes the leading tech company of the world all ready with a GUI that will garantee it'll never stay clean. I've never understood why people need to touch their screen and I doubly don't understand an OS being force feed on me that does just that.
RE: Lost in Windows 8
ORIGINAL: zakblood
well so off topic now i forgot what the debate was about, how about we cook some bacon and eggs and all go camping, or not[:-]
Microsoft OS discussions are frustrating. Some like , some don't like And it seems every six months a new windows s being churned out. No wonder the discussion goes off topic.
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RE: Lost in Windows 8
Sadly these type of discussions will continue until a ubiquitous OS to run all systems comes along. A ubiquitous OS seems to favor operation through a browser, than on a personal system.
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RE: Lost in Windows 8
Be warned if buying a new computer with Win 8. Due to marketing laws it will not come with many essential programs, such as media player. Sure there are other programs, the point is previously you could pop a dvd or AVI file into a brand new computer and it plays. Nope, not with win 8. We are computer literate here, many people are barely functional but got by in win 7 because it came with many essential programs pre-loaded. Win 8 will lead to the end of PC computing when people take the path of least resistance to an X-box, out-of-box which can do more than your lap-top directly out of the box.
RE: Lost in Windows 8
A lot of what ends up missing happens in court and is not because it was left out. When i was at MS I could take home alpha or beta builds of any upcoming OS and try them out. The alpha of WinXP had the best firewall I had ever seen. It had the best media player I had ever seen. But by the time it reach beta those were stripped of features down to the barebones--afterall ZoneAlarm couldn't compete...etc etc etc.
What amazes me is how Apple always gets away with doing worse. It's not even letting Adobe's Flash to play at all, etc etc etc. If MS could have it's way you wouldn't need 3rd party anything from movie/sound editing, FAX, Anti-virus or Firewalls--but that is deemed unfair to the competetion. I believe let them make a better product, not legally force MS to nerf theirs. But that's the way it has been ever since I can remember.
What amazes me is how Apple always gets away with doing worse. It's not even letting Adobe's Flash to play at all, etc etc etc. If MS could have it's way you wouldn't need 3rd party anything from movie/sound editing, FAX, Anti-virus or Firewalls--but that is deemed unfair to the competetion. I believe let them make a better product, not legally force MS to nerf theirs. But that's the way it has been ever since I can remember.
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RE: Lost in Windows 8
Well I am not happy with this issues, I am fine with Wins 8.1, but my GF having problems with her laptop in same household. She got ripped off by Rent-A-Center, paying way too much for that laptop and it came in with WinsVista32, but no backup. When I moved in with her, I had WinsVista64 and her laptop barely can handle it and she still having problems with her laptop, esp malwares. She had only 2Gb ram on that thing.
When I bought this Home Edition Full Version Wins 8.1 (both 64&32 bits), I wanted to put that 32 on her laptop and she like it. Unfort there only one activation key and wont let her laptop activate. She contact Microsoft and see if they willing to help her, all they want is another hundred dollars to do it. What a rip off.
I told her, when the laptop no longer can be use, I can delete and reinstall that Wins 8.1 I have. Not sure how long that will last. Back then I can put WinsVista64 in three pc and included her laptop and they never wanted anything. I have Wins XP 32, but Microsoft no longer support it
Anyway by Christmas I am going to buy a decent laptop either from Newegg or TigerDirect that comes in with OS, least it will be better for her.
When I bought this Home Edition Full Version Wins 8.1 (both 64&32 bits), I wanted to put that 32 on her laptop and she like it. Unfort there only one activation key and wont let her laptop activate. She contact Microsoft and see if they willing to help her, all they want is another hundred dollars to do it. What a rip off.
I told her, when the laptop no longer can be use, I can delete and reinstall that Wins 8.1 I have. Not sure how long that will last. Back then I can put WinsVista64 in three pc and included her laptop and they never wanted anything. I have Wins XP 32, but Microsoft no longer support it
Anyway by Christmas I am going to buy a decent laptop either from Newegg or TigerDirect that comes in with OS, least it will be better for her.
RE: Lost in Windows 8
so let me get this right, you unhappy because you have to pay for windows?[:D]
each unit or pc you have has to have it's own license and always has, just because you could circumvent it in the past, doesn't mean its right either, plus if the laptop thats old is has vista on it, might make it a poor choice to install win 8 on it anyway, so for me i would have saved the money and got a new laptop from the start tbh...
and if the laptop could hardly / barely work with vista, ie slow memory / hdd and cpu, why would you think win 8 would be any better? btw if you have less than 3gb of ram, its always best to install the 32bit version of any o/s, but be aware that once used you can't at a later date choice the 64bit license to reinstall if you add more hardware like ram etc unless you are using the full M/S product and not the OEM version etc etc as per licensing rules... same as sometimes it's even locked to the pc / laptop you have bought, so the key can't be used elsewhere as you don't own the product either, eg: dell windows 8 keys are locked to dell hardware...[;)]
each unit or pc you have has to have it's own license and always has, just because you could circumvent it in the past, doesn't mean its right either, plus if the laptop thats old is has vista on it, might make it a poor choice to install win 8 on it anyway, so for me i would have saved the money and got a new laptop from the start tbh...
and if the laptop could hardly / barely work with vista, ie slow memory / hdd and cpu, why would you think win 8 would be any better? btw if you have less than 3gb of ram, its always best to install the 32bit version of any o/s, but be aware that once used you can't at a later date choice the 64bit license to reinstall if you add more hardware like ram etc unless you are using the full M/S product and not the OEM version etc etc as per licensing rules... same as sometimes it's even locked to the pc / laptop you have bought, so the key can't be used elsewhere as you don't own the product either, eg: dell windows 8 keys are locked to dell hardware...[;)]
ORIGINAL: RisingSun
Well I am not happy with this issues, I am fine with Wins 8.1, but my GF having problems with her laptop in same household. She got ripped off by Rent-A-Center, paying way too much for that laptop and it came in with WinsVista32, but no backup. When I moved in with her, I had WinsVista64 and her laptop barely can handle it and she still having problems with her laptop, esp malwares. She had only 2Gb ram on that thing.
When I bought this Home Edition Full Version Wins 8.1 (both 64&32 bits), I wanted to put that 32 on her laptop and she like it. Unfort there only one activation key and wont let her laptop activate. She contact Microsoft and see if they willing to help her, all they want is another hundred dollars to do it. What a rip off.
I told her, when the laptop no longer can be use, I can delete and reinstall that Wins 8.1 I have. Not sure how long that will last. Back then I can put WinsVista64 in three pc and included her laptop and they never wanted anything. I have Wins XP 32, but Microsoft no longer support it
Anyway by Christmas I am going to buy a decent laptop either from Newegg or TigerDirect that comes in with OS, least it will be better for her.
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RE: Lost in Windows 8
ORIGINAL: zakblood
so let me get this right, you unhappy because you have to pay for windows?[:D]
each unit or pc you have has to have it's own license and always has, just because you could circumvent it in the past, doesn't mean its right either, plus if the laptop thats old is has vista on it, might make it a poor choice to install win 8 on it anyway, so for me i would have saved the money and got a new laptop from the start tbh...
and if the laptop could hardly / barely work with vista, ie slow memory / hdd and cpu, why would you think win 8 would be any better? btw if you have less than 3gb of ram, its always best to install the 32bit version of any o/s, but be aware that once used you can't at a later date choice the 64bit license to reinstall if you add more hardware like ram etc unless you are using the full M/S product and not the OEM version etc etc as per licensing rules... same as sometimes it's even locked to the pc / laptop you have bought, so the key can't be used elsewhere as you don't own the product either, eg: dell windows 8 keys are locked to dell hardware...[;)]
ORIGINAL: RisingSun
Well I am not happy with this issues, I am fine with Wins 8.1, but my GF having problems with her laptop in same household. She got ripped off by Rent-A-Center, paying way too much for that laptop and it came in with WinsVista32, but no backup. When I moved in with her, I had WinsVista64 and her laptop barely can handle it and she still having problems with her laptop, esp malwares. She had only 2Gb ram on that thing.
When I bought this Home Edition Full Version Wins 8.1 (both 64&32 bits), I wanted to put that 32 on her laptop and she like it. Unfort there only one activation key and wont let her laptop activate. She contact Microsoft and see if they willing to help her, all they want is another hundred dollars to do it. What a rip off.
I told her, when the laptop no longer can be use, I can delete and reinstall that Wins 8.1 I have. Not sure how long that will last. Back then I can put WinsVista64 in three pc and included her laptop and they never wanted anything. I have Wins XP 32, but Microsoft no longer support it
Anyway by Christmas I am going to buy a decent laptop either from Newegg or TigerDirect that comes in with OS, least it will be better for her.
Not only that, you can only use it up to 15 times. Back then when I use my Vista, I can use it on multi-pcs and now you cant. They are greedy and going to cost each pc platform, now i am not sure after you install Windows and not be able to activate it. Just spoken one of Microsoft Tech that still be running, just no updates. Up to 15 times is crazy, cause i have to clean/format my pc incase it need it.
RE: Lost in Windows 8
15 times rules is dependant on version bought, like i said above if you have the cheapest versions like OEM ones, then the rule is enforced, buy the full version and most of the time it isn't, i used to do it for a living so a quick phone call and they do it again for you, with no questions asked, unless its a stupid number of times, then a few questions etc
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RE: Lost in Windows 8
Buy a Mac and you get a new version of Apple's OS X every 12 month and for free. [:D]
RE: Lost in Windows 8
ORIGINAL: zakblood
well so off topic now i forgot what the debate was about, how about we cook some bacon and eggs and all go camping, or not[:-]
Oh let's do bacon and eggs.
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RE: Lost in Windows 8
yes lets all do this, as we all know mac's are better, cheaper, faster, last longer, more value for money, can play more games on than a pc, have loads of free apps, programs are very cheap to buy on macs, very easy to upgrade and great value parts for repair (tbh running out of sarcastic comments to write)[;)][:D]
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Buy a Mac and you get a new version of Apple's OS X every 12 month and for free. [:D]
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