Summer Offensive - Oshawott (Axis) vs Griefhead (Russia)

[hfarrish]

ORIGINAL: Oshawott

Now, if you muck around with the fortification settings...

Changing the fortification settings will have a much more dramatic impact on this game then eliminating the 1/1 bonus. It will have to be carefully tested.

As a tester of fort settings at 70%, I would say they need to be significantly lower than that (50%? 40%) to make a big difference.

Do the fort settings impact fort strength, build times or both?

[Oshawott]

Do the fort settings impact fort strength, build times or both?

As far as I know the current version effects only build time and the new version will effect fort strength which will be much more important.

[charlie0311]

MT, checked out threads, above, that's holding Lgrad for sure. Thx for straightening me out.

Without counting, looks like about half of SW Front was railed up there. No?

[Michael T]

MT, checked out threads, above, that's holding Lgrad for sure. Thx for straightening me out.

Without counting, looks like about half of SW Front was railed up there. No?

Yes, most of the quality units that start in the south head north. It's standard procedure.

To set you straight, about 12 months ago most reasonable veteran players came to realize that the game had become so biased to the Soviets it was no longer worth playing as contest. So some of us left the scene until the game balance could be restored. Now it appears this new patch (1.08) will offer players the chance (with suitable settings) to configure a game that offers both sides a fair chance of victory. So some vets are returning to the scene to try it out. I being one such player.

[loki100]

ORIGINAL: Michael T

MT, checked out threads, above, that's holding Lgrad for sure. Thx for straightening me out.

Without counting, looks like about half of SW Front was railed up there. No?

Yes, most of the quality units that start in the south head north. It's standard procedure.

To set you straight, about 12 months ago most reasonable veteran players came to realize that the game had become so biased to the Soviets it was no longer worth playing as contest. So some of us left the scene until the game balance could be restored. Now it appears this new patch (1.08) will offer players the chance (with suitable settings) to configure a game that offers both sides a fair chance of victory. So some vets are returning to the scene to try it out. I being one such player.

this only partly picks at the issue. The problem in the south is that two lumps of cheese are coinciding.

First, the (physically impossible) Lvov pocket (in all its variants) means that the only real defensive tool a Soviet player is left with is to stretch the supply lines. If this is all you need to do, then pulling out most of the forces for a (politically impossible) allocation of SW Front to the defense of Leningrad is indeed a valid move.

Solution? No Lvov, no Soviet withdrawals from the Ukraine till SW Front is in contact with Bryansk (ie realistically after the loss of Gomel and Chernigov). Result, a damn good tussle in the Ukraine and trying to defend Leningrad on a shoe string.

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: Flaviusx

ORIGINAL: charlie0311

Hi guys, "as presently stands" must mean sovs get the 1/1 bonus. IMHO, not just humble but laughable, no way to hold Lgrad when 1/1 goes. Axis player will pocket and kill your Pskov defense.

Sov can make the urban hexes more stubborn via nightly resupply with airbases in hex. Osh may know better than me about this.

Nah, still doable even without the 1/1 bonus.

Now, if you muck around with the fortification settings...

I don't believe one will need to muck around with FZ settings as the time to build a fort is going to take longer for both sides and even longer for SHC in 1.08.

So holding Leningrad is not going to be a given now for SHC. More then likely vs the best of the best GHC players SHC players are looking at holding as long as possible which in turn means Moscow holds.

The key still being as always how long can SHC hold Leningrad.

The game will have a much much better historical feel.

Not WW I one the Eastern Front, but finally WW II on the Eastern Front.

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: Michael T

MT, checked out threads, above, that's holding Lgrad for sure. Thx for straightening me out.

Without counting, looks like about half of SW Front was railed up there. No?

Yes, most of the quality units that start in the south head north. It's standard procedure.

To set you straight, about 12 months ago most reasonable veteran players came to realize that the game had become so biased to the Soviets it was no longer worth playing as contest. So some of us left the scene until the game balance could be restored. Now it appears this new patch (1.08) will offer players the chance (with suitable settings) to configure a game that offers both sides a fair chance of victory. So some vets are returning to the scene to try it out. I being one such player.

You will be rethinking that strategy for a number of reasons.

[timmyab]

Yes the whole game will change with this next patch. My wild guess is that it might even favour the axis too much in 41. For one thing,Soviet players that are used to optimising their c&c in 41 will have to think again [;)]

[A game]

ORIGINAL: Michael T

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Thanks, but for the sake of argument I have to disagree still.

That first game is an aberration as you knew Pelton would do his "right hook" thing, which he had been doing in every game leading up to your match together, it may have gone differently if he had just done the standard, straight for L-grad move. I honestly think the right hook manevour is just bad, and exceptionally bad if your opponent knows your doing it.

And in that second game on turn ten the axis are at the gates of Leningrad, they only had to clear half a dozen hexes to isolate Osinovets for the standard move to take L-grad, obviously they sent the forces elsewhere, this just proves my point, if you commit to L-grad as the Axis you will take it. Flaviusx even discusses in that AAR how its impossible to hold Leningrad....

Anyway Im probably just flogging a dead horse here so I will shut up now!

[Flaviusx]

I have changed my mind about the impossibility of holding Leningrad. In recent games I've been doing it myself. Michael T is basically correct here. It is by no means a sure thing and you have to work for it, but it can be done.

[Flaviusx]

ORIGINAL: timmyab

Yes the whole game will change with this next patch. My wild guess is that it might even favour the axis too much in 41. For one thing,Soviet players that are used to optimising their c&c in 41 will have to think again [;)]

Perhaps.

So long as I can stick Zhukov in Stavka, things can't go too badly. The AP cost increase isn't the killer it looks like, imo.

I am much more wary about the fort stuff.

[Michael T]

Looks like it might be a whole new ballgame. I don't have the inside info about the changes that obviously some others have. But on the face of it things look promising. Bring it on [:)]

[Oshawott]

T6 - North

Grinding north. The attack odds for Manstein's Corps are nerve-wrecking and almost inexplicable. I Corps has it a little bit easier.

[Oshawott]

T6 - Center

The Corps that was routed north on T1 now gets send back to AGC. It pushes through a somewhat unusual spot but the area is barely covered by Russian troops. I use one motorized division from another Corps to swing north and for a pocket. It won't hold of course but it will keep things moving. I also encircle Smolensk and another division. Placement of some of my troops is poor.

[Oshawott]

T6 - South

The pocket was reopened again. Not a major tragedy since I can't do much anyway. I close the pocket again and form another pocket north of the Dnepr with 8 divisions. I have to stay close to the Dnepr so that my tanks stay in good supply. At the lower Dnepr I encircle the cavalry division that annoyed me last turn and start moving my troops into position for the assault on the Crimea.

[Oshawott]

T6 - OOB

[Oshawott]

T7 - North

Pushing north. Fortifications are not finished everywhere. But hasty attacks just don't work here.

[Oshawott]

T7 - Center

The last pocket was opened of course. Now I am closing it firmly - so I believe.

[Oshawott]

Have you ever had this moment at the end of the turn where you look over the map and make last minute adjustments? Well I did so during this turn and one simple move screwed up everything. I dope slapped myself right after I moved the unit and stared at the cavalry division. I took another screenshot because I knew what was coming next turn. [:D]

[Oshawott]

T7 - South

Lots of action in the south. After the last pocket the Russians are retreating. I usually just ignore industry but this turn I go for Kharkov and lock some armament points, vehicles and tank factories. I don't think the tanks matter that much. The Russians have more then enough even without these tanks.

The first attack on the Crimea fails. Next turn I will change the leader of LVI Corps. I didn't even get a reduction in fort level despite having 4 pioneers participating in the attack.

HQ Buildup near Kremenchug for the push north.