NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs 1EyedJack & Rysyonok (J) - BTS

[Lowpe]

Wow! Too neat, but it may be on the inexpensive side. It costs Japan 270 points to switch lb to fb for example, plus the cost of the planes in supplies.

You guys have really created something special.

[ny59giants]

JuanG came up with the using PPs to buy airframes. I don't think he was able to crank up the cost, but you don't get the same number every month. Some months later in 42 the choices are more limited than my example.

[JocMeister]

Ah, so numbers are increased later in the war? That would make sense. [:)]

[ny59giants]

Numbers stay the same.

I just looked it up, but 20 P47D2 cost 200 PP in April '43, down to 190 in May, but you don't get any more until Sept '43 for 180 PP. None after for rest of '43.

I think there is a thread in Mod Section on how JuanG came up with the number of airframes and cost.

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Or you can go to RA website, download the mod, and look at it all. [;)]

https://sites.google.com/site/reluctant ... ms-scen-55

[John 3rd]

Michael is a fellow creator of these three Mods so he is TERRIBLY biased! [:D]

Seriously though, the three Mods--I think--are a major evolutionary step forward in Modding. Treaty Mod is a slightly different ALTNAV, RA is strong ALTNAV, and Between the Storms is the combination of the prior two. Through great synergy, we have managed to place the latest DaBabes, a new OOB of the Phil--New Zealand--Aussie--DEI troops, Extended Map, Stacking Limits, gnarly roads (to slow things down in CBI), added Allied Training Air Groups, and placed a new off-map Allied aircraft purchase system all into this product. You want choice AND realism? Here---it---is!

I cannot wait to play Cribtop in Between the Storms. It will be fin and VERY BLOODY!

[ny59giants]

Date: 41 Dec 13th - Another relatively quiet day

Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; (*) = destroyed aircraft; If odds are italics, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons); FG fighter group = 25 fighter planes if American

Landings:

CVs:
KB1 - 5 SW Wake Is. at 133,102
KB2 - 5 SW Wake Is. at 133,102 - with KB1
KB3 - MIA day 1
CVEs - MIA day 7 (starts at Saipan)

Subs: [>:]

SC TF: [>:]

India/Burma:
Tavoy - 18 Ann attack troops 2 north
Mergui -

China:
Hong Kong - only a ground bb attack 472:158 ; my defense will not last much longer
Nanchang -
Hwainan - due west sees 18 Nates & 9 Ann; deliberate attack retreats unit to NE
Tsiaotso - ground bb 186:265 be lone Japanese brigade

Malaya:
Temuloh -

Philippines:
Manila - 44 Zeros @ 26k sweep empty skies. My fighters have flown into China and down to Mindanao.
Clark -

SRA: [>:]

New Guinea/Solomons: [>:]

Central Pacific:
Wake - 21 Betty followed by 92 Zeros escorting in 110 Kate

South Pacific: [>:]

North Pacific: [>:]

Engineers:

Intel:

Notes/Plans:
A second quiet day of war. [;)]

[ny59giants]

Date: 41 Dec 14th - Hong Kong and Wake mainly today

Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; (*) = destroyed aircraft; If odds are italics, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons); FG fighter group = 25 fighter planes if American

Landings:
None, but transport are at Wake probably to allow a complete day to unload before shock attack.

CVs:
KB1 - 5 SW Wake Is. at 133,102
KB2 - 5 SW Wake Is. at 133,102 - with KB1
KB3 - Babeldoab
CVEs - 5 SW of Wake at 133,102 with KB1 & 2

Subs:
KXII is hit once at Kuantan

SC TF: [>:]

India/Burma:
Tavoy - 18 Ann attack troops 2 North again
Mergui -
Victoria Point - 21 Sally don't do any damage as I had moved a Swordfish group here on way to India.

China:
Hong Kong - 44 Zeros sweep; 48 Betty, 55 Nell; 10 Nate, 20 Lily, 21 Ida, 15 Sonia, 8 Sally; deliberate attack 560:225 drops forts to 00.
Nanchang - 10 Nates with 8 Sonia go after my little construction rgt to SE
Hwainan - 1 NE sees 18 Nate & 9 Ann
Tsiaotso -
Ichang - 3 Corps shock attack and take the base easily. [:)]

Malaya:
Temuloh -

Philippines:
Manila -
Clark -

SRA: [>:]

New Guinea/Solomons: [>:]

Central Pacific:
Wake - 15 Betty followed by 101 Zeros escorting in 116 Kate

South Pacific: [>:]

North Pacific: [>:]

Engineers:

Intel:

Notes/Plans:
Malaya - My recon shows (see screen shot) that Cribtop has 31 LCU at Kuantan and seems to be satisfied with slow march inland. Meanwhile, KB4 is north of Singkawang. Since she is close enough to Batavia and Oosthaven, my last two partially fuel laden transports leave those ports and head into Indian Ocean.

[ny59giants]

Where's Waldo?!?

A week into the war and some "Free Troops" are still at bay.

Still MIA:
4 Ind Mixed Rgt (starts in Vietnam)
21 Ind Mixed Rgt (starts in Vietnam)
65 Bde (starts in Formosa)
Gds Mixed Bde (starts in Japan)

Imp Gds Div (starts in Thailand)
2 ID (starts in Japan)
4 ID (Malaya)
5 ID (starts at Samah pre-loaded)
16 ID (Luzon)
18 ID (partial in Malaya)
21 ID (Malaya)
33 ID (starts in Nagasaki)
38 ID (Hong Kong)
48 ID (starts in Formosa)
55 ID (starts in Thailand)
56 ID (starts in Hiroshima)

1 Para Div (starts in Peleliu)
1 China Assault Div (starts in Tinian)
2 China Assault Div (starts in Etorofu)
1 Sasebo Assault Div (Guam)
1 Kure Assault Div (starts in Babeldoab)
1 Maizuru Assault Div (starts in Saipan)

For those unfamiliar with RA/BTS, an 'Assault Division' is basically three Naval Guards plus a little more artillery and support.

Last night, I told Cribtop that I was too tired to do turn (600 mile trip to and back from Nashville). In between multiple texts was him talking about the boldness of Nemo. He said plans were in motion and I would know in a few days. I said I had three options coming my way and would reveal if I was right later - Hawaii & Line Islands, Australia, and SoPac (Suva and Pago Pago with maybe push down to Society Islands). I'm ruling out Aleutians and Alaska as that does nothing right now.

[JocMeister]

I would rule out Hawaii. Someone did a lot of testing a while back throwing everything at PH. The CD guns at PH just wrecked anything trying to land. I think they got ashore but was so beat up they could never take the base.

Also katsuragi tried this in his game with aztez. Didn´t work very well.

[topeverest]

I've done extensive testing on PH landings. It is a pyrrhic victory at best. The CD power is awesome, and forces you need to take the island are huge. better to quarantine the base by taking the outer lying islands if you are interested. Starve the base out. That certainly can be done (and quite honestly isn't too terribly hard if you retask some magic move TF's).

Hard to hide that amount of troops unless he is thinking to do the Chickenboy conquer China thing. That could fit. Other than that that could it be early entry to Oz?

Never followed a cribtop AAR so I don't really have a feel for his playstyle.

[ny59giants]

Date: 41 Dec 15th - Hong Kong and Wake again, but one falls

Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; (*) = destroyed aircraft; If odds are italics, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons); FG fighter group = 25 fighter planes if American

Landings:
Wake with 1st Maizuru Assault Div (BB Hyuga embedded with transports)

CVs:
KB1 - 4 SW Wake Is. at 133,101
KB2 - 4 SW Wake Is. at 133,101 - with KB1
KB3 - Babeldoab still
CVEs - 3 W of Wake at 133,98

Subs:
Tambor is hit at Wake and will limp back to Pearl for repairs.

Tautog is 4 due south of Dutch Harbor and finds one of two raiders. AMC Nakja-Mur Maru is shot at THREE times with 12 torpedoes. All miss or are duds!! Meanwhile, CV Saratoga TF arrives at Dutch Harbor to refuel her escorts. Her airgroups were training, so no attacks were made. I will head NW from base and avoid this AMC. IMO, its not worth disclosing this TF for one AMC.

India/Burma:
Tavoy -
Mergui -
Victoria Point - 21 Sally barely scratch the runway

China:
Hong Kong - all the ground attacks go at the fortress unit and leave the infantry alone; 39 Betty, 46 Nell; 11 Sally, 12 Lily; 10 Nate, 6 Lily, 15 Ida, 11 Sonia;

Ground combat at Hong Kong (77,61)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 15363 troops, 251 guns, 181 vehicles, Assault Value = 454

Defending force 6836 troops, 129 guns, 72 vehicles, Assault Value = 123

Japanese adjusted assault: 298

Allied adjusted defense: 169

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
304 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 24 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
344 casualties reported
Squads: 28 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Assaulting units:
66th Infantry Regiment
38th Division
1st Ind.Inf.Group
19th Ind Engineer Regiment
20th Ind Engineer Regiment
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
23rd Army
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd RF Gun Battalion
5th RF Gun Battalion
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd Mortar Battalion
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion

Defending units:
Rifles of Canada Battalion
Winnipeg Grenadiers Battalion
Kowloon Brigade
102nd RN Base Force
1st Middlesex Battalion
Hong Kong Fortress

Cribtop comments that he seems to always need an extra day or two for this base to fall once forts are gone.

Nanchang - SE of base 9 Nate & 8 Sonia; 39th ID attacks and almost wipes out my construction unit
Hwainan - NW of base 18 Nate & 9 Ann

Malaya: - empty bases now Japan's is Alor Star
Temuloh - 17 Lily hit troops between this base and Kuantan

Philippines:
Manila - 8 Betty attack base at night; my two subs are still slightly damaged in repair shipyard, but ordered to get ready to leave (3 days) now as Hong Kong will fall soon and I suspect Cribtop's attention may come back here.
Clark -
Naga - 16th ID pushes out the partial Philippine battalion.

SRA: [>:]

New Guinea/Solomons: [>:]

Central Pacific:
Wake -

Night Naval bombardment of Wake Island at 136,98

Japanese Ships
BC Ishitaka
BC Kirishima
BC Hiei
DD Hatsuzuki
DD Susuzuki
DD Teruzuki
DD Akizuki

Allied ground losses:
607 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 31 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 3 (2 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Airbase hits 17
Airbase supply hits 9
Runway hits 39
Port hits 22
Port fuel hits 6
Port supply hits 3

Cribtop break off the 3 BCs with KB 1 & 2 to soften up the defenders even more. Seems he was successful here.

91 Zero with 105 Kate hit troops for fourth day in row.

Ground combat at Wake Island (136,98)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 5817 troops, 96 guns, 12 vehicles, Assault Value = 188

Defending force 1028 troops, 20 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 10

Japanese adjusted assault: 266

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 266 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Wake Island !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1069 casualties reported
Squads: 40 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 80 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 27 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 29 (29 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 2

Assaulting units:
1st Maizuru Assault Division

Defending units:
141st USN Stn Base Force
Wake (Det.) Defense Battalion

South Pacific:
CV Lexington, Enterprise; CVL Jacksonville, Melbourne, Wellington; 2 BC; 7 CA; 2 CL; 30 DD; they will be 4 East of G'canal next turn.

North Pacific:
CV Saratoga TF at Dutch harbor, refueled, and will head NW; CLs Phoenix & Honolulu, 6 DDs are 3 days out from Kodiak

Engineers:

Intel:
1st Formosa Rgt/48 ID @ Aparri

Notes/Plans:
Allied Intel and Operations Dept are still busy trying to determine where the big attack will come from. PBYs are moving from USA to Dutch Harbor to Midway to Pearl and then beyond to give warning.

53rd (Sep) Inf Rgt is at San Fran and needs two more days worth of PPs before she can load on transports for Canton Island.

Meanwhile, at San Diego troops will soon load for Christmas Island - 65AA, 205AA, 56 CD, 47 Construc, 808 AEB, 2 Pion, 6 Port Maint Eng, 2 & 8 Marine Rgt.

[ny59giants]

Date: 41 Dec 16th - Another relatively slow day

Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; (*) = destroyed aircraft; If odds are italics, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons); FG fighter group = 25 fighter planes if American

Landings: [>:]

CVs:
KB1 & 2 - MIA, but probably headed for refueling at Truk
KB3 - 91,105 (11 No. Hollandia)
CVEs - MIA day 1

Subs:
Triton at 128, 103 (5 No Eninetok) - BB Ise TT x1

India/Burma:
Victoria Point - 21 Sally don't do any damage
Moulmein -

China:
Hong Kong - 48 Betty, 30 Nell, 23 Lily, 9 Sally, 15 Sonia, 21 Ida followed by ground bb
Nanchang -
Hwainan -

Malaya: -
Temuloh - 17 Lily hit troops between this base and Kuantan. A deliberate attack of 371:7 pushes troops out.

Philippines:
Manila - 11 Betty conduct night attacks. maybe Cribtop didn't look at moonlight as its almost 0.
Clark -
San Fernando - empty base become Japan's

SRA: [>:]

New Guinea/Solomons: [>:]

Central Pacific:
Nauru - 21 Betty

South Pacific:
Mini Allied "Death Star" heads west from bottom of Solomons to refuel.

North Pacific:
Adak - Fast Transports drop off enemy troops

Engineers:

Intel:

Notes/Plans:
Cribtop was not too happy to see the Americans find a working torpedo vs one of his BBs.

[John 3rd]

I HATE working American TTs of ANY sort!

[DOCUP]

I like working US TTs.

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: DOCUP

I like working US TTs.

They can actually explode? Are you sure? [:D]

[ny59giants]

Date: 41 Dec 17th -
Hong Kong falls!!
Cribtop finally uses his 1st Para Div.

Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; (*) = destroyed aircraft; If odds are italics, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons); FG fighter group = 25 fighter planes if American

Landings:
Sorong - elements of 1st Para/C drop on and take base
Ternate - elements of 1st Para/B drop on and take base

CVs:
KB1 & 2 - MIA day 2, but probably at Truk
KB3 - 87,107 (5 East Sorong)
CVEs - MIA day 2

Subs:
I-123 is at 68,96 (4 ENE of Balikpapan). Four TT miss the damaged AV Ely that is trying to run the gap between Borneo and Celebes.
S-40 is hit once at Aparri

India/Burma:
Victoria Point -
Moulmein - 18 Ann attack troops SW of base

China:
Hong Kong - No air attacks, but it wasn't needed.

Ground combat at Hong Kong (77,61)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 18473 troops, 266 guns, 181 vehicles, Assault Value = 453

Defending force 6478 troops, 121 guns, 72 vehicles, Assault Value = 121

Japanese adjusted assault: 630

Allied adjusted defense: 129

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Hong Kong !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
233 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled

Allied ground losses:
6165 casualties reported
Squads: 214 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 500 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 23 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 166 (166 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 97 (97 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 6

Assaulting units:
1st Ind.Inf.Group
66th Infantry Regiment
19th Ind Engineer Regiment
38th Division
20th Ind Engineer Regiment
2nd RF Gun Battalion
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
23rd Army
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Mortar Battalion
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
5th RF Gun Battalion
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion

Defending units:
Rifles of Canada Battalion
Winnipeg Grenadiers Battalion
Kowloon Brigade
102nd RN Base Force
1st Middlesex Battalion
Hong Kong Fortress

Nanchang -
Hwainan - A Chinese Corp is beat up badly NW of base in deliberate attack (428:8)

Malaya: -
Singapore - 15 Betty at night.
Temuloh - 17 Lily hit troops between this base and Kuantan. A deliberate attack of 371:7 pushes troops out.

Philippines:
Manila - 15 Betty conduct night attacks. Moonlight still 00.
Clark -

SRA: [>:]

New Guinea/Solomons: [>:]

Central Pacific:
Nauru -

South Pacific:
Mini Allied "Death Star" heads west and is three days out of Townsville.

North Pacific:
Adak - empty base becomes Japan's

CV Saratoga TF is 6 NNW of Adak now and ordered to move to 4 due north of Attu.

CL Phoenix & Honolulu with 6 DDs drain the last of the fuel at Kodiak and will head west.

Engineers: Singapore & Bombay - F3

Intel:

Notes/Plans:
Force Z, CVL Charlotte, and American cruisers near Balikpapan.

[ny59giants]

Date: 41 Dec 18th -
ALL Japanese carriers are now MIA!! [X(] [:(]

Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; (*) = destroyed aircraft; If odds are italics, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons); FG fighter group = 25 fighter planes if American

Landings:
Boela - elements of 1st Para/A drop on and take base

CVs:
KB1 & 2 - MIA day 3, but probably at Truk or just left
KB3 - MIA day 1
KB4 - MIA day 4
CVEs - MIA day 3

Subs:

India/Burma:
Victoria Point -
Moulmein - BF is ordered north while the last brigade for 1st Burma Div is ordered to Rangoon to rebuild it.
Pegu - 19 Sonia attack my battalion moved 1 east to act as tripwire. Its a good move as 8 LCUs are now spotted 1 west of Chiang Mai. Two groups from AVG are ordered to LRCAP this battalion next turn.

China:
Nanyang - 14 Nate & 9 Ann attack 2 SW of base
Hwainan -
Pengpu - A weak small corp is pushed off RR NE of base.

Malaya: -
Singapore - 5 Sally at night.
Temuloh -

Philippines:
Manila - Sturgeon & Skipjack leave port for full repairs at safer base. I had 6 fleet and 2 S-boats sunk from attacks here on 7th.
Clark -

SRA:
Force Z, CVL Charlotte, and American CA/CLs are ordered into the sraits between Borneo and Celebes as Japanese SC TF that was in Sula Sea has moved south.

New Guinea/Solomons: [>:]

Central Pacific:
Nauru -

South Pacific:
Mini Allied "Death Star" heads west and is two days out of Townsville (11 east of base).

North Pacific:
CV Saratoga TF is ordered to move to 2 due east of Attu.

CL Phoenix & Honolulu with 6 DDs to east of Dutch Harbor headed west.

Engineers:

Intel:
Elements of 65th Brigade landing at Aparri

Notes/Plans:
Central China - See screen shot. I have the powerful 22nd Army Group just to NW of Nanyang (38,500 of 40,000 SL) now in place to block road to Sian. Hopefully, I get time to get forts up past 1 which they are now. I'm trying to form a MLR about three to four hexes away from Sian. I finally see some forces from Cribtop moving here. Only token forces left at Chengchow and Loyang.

Northern China - Allied players know about the air groups that start at Hami. What to do with them?? I ensure that my garrison requirements are made, but take the BF at Urumchi and move it down to Ansi. I then move the groups down to Ansi and start to leapfrog the 2 BFs steadily south to Lanchow along with air groups. Hopefully, I can get them to Chungking area.

I have two air groups (18 P-40E) from Luzon at Kweilin. They withdraw on June 1st, but I hope them with one group from AVG can cause some trouble once I fill them out some more and get a little pilot training done. Objective is force Cribtop to devote a Zero group or two to China vs someplace else.

[topeverest]

I cannot get over the morale impact of having those extra flat tops. Yu seem to be ready to setup a big CV ambush, though I must say that I would have taken the bird in the hand at in the Aleuts to send a message to the empire. Fleet in being only goes so far.

I really believe that with his segmented KB approach, you can get him in a massed attack and turn the war by February, probably in Solomon's or eastern DEI.

I am still confounded with China. Is China or Oz the main effort. I can't tell.

[JocMeister]

Have you flown troops into Ankang?

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Have you flown troops into Ankang?

Once bitten, twice shy.[:)]