Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee, Docup(A)-Koniu(J)
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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
It is a shame, I would like to right about some of the pilots...but they die too fast.[:D]
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
Lack of Armor early one, and then relatively low DUR planes => low life expantancy of IJ pilots ... [:(]
Pax
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
23 June 1944
Burma
Jap Cruisers retreat south. I need to rearm torps and 15cm shells. AKE is sailing north, because of lose of Rangoon i loose ability to rearm big ships.
I am replacing Cruisers with Yamato TF. So far BBs are undetected but Docup see that cruisers are sailing south. I will use Maoulmain with 400 fighters as bait. I think Docup will try to naval bombard base maybe even with BBs.
I see two CV/CVE? TF in Bay of Bengal. One is in Ramrre Island hex, they are probably CVEs because they where part of big cargo TF. Second is holding position near Ceylon.
KB is slowly moving toward Singer.
Pacific.
P-47 sweep. P-47 kills. 17 N1K2 lost for 3 P-47 in one of Pacific Islands near Marshals.
Fuel/Oil
I change little tactic. I split my TKs on two groups. Half of them(fast one) are moving between DEI and Japan, Second half(slow one) are moving oil and fuel from DEI to Manila. This allow me to make DEI empty faster.
Shipyards
Lots of ships is in repairs or on refit right now.
I have out of action. BB, 4xCA, 5xCL, 11xDD. I am sending two more BB(Kongos), CA and 4 DD for refit. They need naval radar asap.
I still have enough active ships to fight but no replacements avaible for next 3-4 weeks.
Burma
Jap Cruisers retreat south. I need to rearm torps and 15cm shells. AKE is sailing north, because of lose of Rangoon i loose ability to rearm big ships.
I am replacing Cruisers with Yamato TF. So far BBs are undetected but Docup see that cruisers are sailing south. I will use Maoulmain with 400 fighters as bait. I think Docup will try to naval bombard base maybe even with BBs.
I see two CV/CVE? TF in Bay of Bengal. One is in Ramrre Island hex, they are probably CVEs because they where part of big cargo TF. Second is holding position near Ceylon.
KB is slowly moving toward Singer.
Pacific.
P-47 sweep. P-47 kills. 17 N1K2 lost for 3 P-47 in one of Pacific Islands near Marshals.
Fuel/Oil
I change little tactic. I split my TKs on two groups. Half of them(fast one) are moving between DEI and Japan, Second half(slow one) are moving oil and fuel from DEI to Manila. This allow me to make DEI empty faster.
Shipyards
Lots of ships is in repairs or on refit right now.
I have out of action. BB, 4xCA, 5xCL, 11xDD. I am sending two more BB(Kongos), CA and 4 DD for refit. They need naval radar asap.
I still have enough active ships to fight but no replacements avaible for next 3-4 weeks.
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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
24 June 1944
Burma
BB TF enter Maoulmain and find minefield. I lost DD. But i think i will stay in hex. Minefield once detected is very ineffective. I have very low DL on Battleships, probably because of weather so Docup probably dont see BBs.
I see CVE/amphibious TF sailing South toward Rangoon or maybe Port Blair.
How fast allied landing craft can move?
Korea
700 AV is loading in Korea on ships. They will sail to Tokyo to take replacements and from there to Pacific.
Tokyo.
2500AV is waiting to be shipped to Pacific and Philippines.
My transport ships are working 24/7 and it is not enough.
Burma
BB TF enter Maoulmain and find minefield. I lost DD. But i think i will stay in hex. Minefield once detected is very ineffective. I have very low DL on Battleships, probably because of weather so Docup probably dont see BBs.
I see CVE/amphibious TF sailing South toward Rangoon or maybe Port Blair.
How fast allied landing craft can move?
Korea
700 AV is loading in Korea on ships. They will sail to Tokyo to take replacements and from there to Pacific.
Tokyo.
2500AV is waiting to be shipped to Pacific and Philippines.
My transport ships are working 24/7 and it is not enough.
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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
Tokyo.
2500AV is waiting to be shipped to Pacific and Philippines.
My transport ships are working 24/7 and it is not enough.
What's your plan for the defence of the Philippines?
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
ORIGINAL: mind_messing
Tokyo.
2500AV is waiting to be shipped to Pacific and Philippines.
My transport ships are working 24/7 and it is not enough.
What's your plan for the defence of the Philippines?
Just start planing. Details soon.
Time is going forward but turns not.
Last 3 weeks almost all evenings i spend watching Volleyball World Cup, and because of that and great performance of Polish team i have no time to do turns everyday. In Sunday after epic game against Brazil, Poland won World Cup[&o].
28 June 44
Back to game. Last 4 days where quiet.
From big news i can tell that i probably find allied carriers returning from IO. Last turn north of Tasmania i lost sub. Most interesting is what ships where in enemy TF. I think we can be sure that somewhere close there are fleet carriers.
Sub attack near King Island at 80,172
Japanese Ships
SS I-24, hits 35, and is sunk
Allied Ships
DD Chauncey
BB New Jersey
BB Iowa
DD Capps
DD Caperton
DD Claxton
DD Chevalier
DD Charrette
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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
Congrats to Poland!! I love watching volleyball, although in most places it's not a top sports on TV. Is it really big in Poland?
Good intel on the Iowas. Your fuel hauling tactic is a god one. I made several fuel dumps in places I knew I'd need thm and also that would not be too hard to take on further if they were threatened. Babeldaop was the other big one aside from Manila. In my current game I'm playing a bit with some other places as well, like Formosa.
Good intel on the Iowas. Your fuel hauling tactic is a god one. I made several fuel dumps in places I knew I'd need thm and also that would not be too hard to take on further if they were threatened. Babeldaop was the other big one aside from Manila. In my current game I'm playing a bit with some other places as well, like Formosa.
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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
ORIGINAL: JocMeister
ORIGINAL: PaxMondo
Joc: can't he 'pump' supply into Chungking plain via Kunming? If that works, and in other AAR's it is claimed to work, then in 60 - 90 days those CHI corps should be +800 AV each. The biggest issue I have seen with the CHI corps are the leaders, but given the numbers they still work.
I´ve never been very successful with that. But I´ve only tried very early in the game when you lack the ability to dump extraordinary amounts in Burma. Might be doable if you dump a couple of million supply at Rangoon. [:)]
But I would be very surprised if he could sustain prolonged combat to be honest. I think he would take massive losses trying to go on the offensive. But I have been wrong before! [:D]
I think one of the issues that players face is the limited draw at some of these bases. I am finding out right now what benefit making sure those bases are developed will return.

RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
ORIGINAL: JocMeister
I think an offensive in China is just bravado on his part. As you say the supply will be nowhere enough to sustain combat.
As soon as the Allies hold Ramree Island or Rangoon with a clear line of supply through Lashio, then the supply flow to China is fine. There should be plenty of supply for any offensive. This was my experience.
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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
ORIGINAL: koniu
ORIGINAL: mind_messing
Tokyo.
2500AV is waiting to be shipped to Pacific and Philippines.
My transport ships are working 24/7 and it is not enough.
What's your plan for the defence of the Philippines?
Just start planing. Details soon.
Time is going forward but turns not.
Last 3 weeks almost all evenings i spend watching Volleyball World Cup, and because of that and great performance of Polish team i have no time to do turns everyday. In Sunday after epic game against Brazil, Poland won World Cup[&o].
28 June 44
Back to game. Last 4 days where quiet.
From big news i can tell that i probably find allied carriers returning from IO. Last turn north of Tasmania i lost sub. Most interesting is what ships where in enemy TF. I think we can be sure that somewhere close there are fleet carriers.
Sub attack near King Island at 80,172
Japanese Ships
SS I-24, hits 35, and is sunk
Allied Ships
DD Chauncey
BB New Jersey
BB Iowa
DD Capps
DD Caperton
DD Claxton
DD Chevalier
DD Charrette
I am having the same problem with my Polish opponent Viberpol...I have been rooting for all their opponents just so I could start getting regular turns again...[;)]
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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
We back to regular turn speed. At lest for some time we will be able to play 6-7 turn per week. Not much comparing some another games when they play 10 turns daily[X(]ORIGINAL: crsutton
ORIGINAL: koniu
ORIGINAL: mind_messing
What's your plan for the defence of the Philippines?
Just start planing. Details soon.
Time is going forward but turns not.
Last 3 weeks almost all evenings i spend watching Volleyball World Cup, and because of that and great performance of Polish team i have no time to do turns everyday. In Sunday after epic game against Brazil, Poland won World Cup[&o].
28 June 44
Back to game. Last 4 days where quiet.
From big news i can tell that i probably find allied carriers returning from IO. Last turn north of Tasmania i lost sub. Most interesting is what ships where in enemy TF. I think we can be sure that somewhere close there are fleet carriers.
Sub attack near King Island at 80,172
Japanese Ships
SS I-24, hits 35, and is sunk
Allied Ships
DD Chauncey
BB New Jersey
BB Iowa
DD Capps
DD Caperton
DD Claxton
DD Chevalier
DD Charrette
I am having the same problem with my Polish opponent Viberpol...I have been rooting for all their opponents just so I could start getting regular turns again...[;)]
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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
2 July 44
Burma
140k+ troops is moving trough river to hex East of Pegu. I have there 1200AV but i don`t think i will fight there. If this was 3x terrain but it is not.
140k troops should be something like 3000AV right?
Yamato TF return to Moulmein. And instantly was attacked by sub.
I don`t think any sub can survive 12x36cm hits.[:D]
Sub attack near Moulmein at 55,55
Japanese Ships
BB Yamato
DD Tachikaze
DD Take
BB Fuso
Allied Ships
SS Sterlet, hits 27, and is sunk
Base forces.
I am retreating base forces from forward bases i don`t not want defend anymore.
They will be moved to place where i have command HQ to upgrade TOE (12cm and 8cm DP guns)
R&D
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Burma
140k+ troops is moving trough river to hex East of Pegu. I have there 1200AV but i don`t think i will fight there. If this was 3x terrain but it is not.
140k troops should be something like 3000AV right?
Yamato TF return to Moulmein. And instantly was attacked by sub.
I don`t think any sub can survive 12x36cm hits.[:D]
Sub attack near Moulmein at 55,55
Japanese Ships
BB Yamato
DD Tachikaze
DD Take
BB Fuso
Allied Ships
SS Sterlet, hits 27, and is sunk
Base forces.
I am retreating base forces from forward bases i don`t not want defend anymore.
They will be moved to place where i have command HQ to upgrade TOE (12cm and 8cm DP guns)
R&D
A7M2 advance to 5/45 - estimated arrival date is September 10
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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
On the Burma troops, could be about that. Depends on how many tanks are there also. The hexes around Moulmein are pretty good with the rivers. Again, makes him have to really think about it before pulling the trigger, and for you, any more time he takes is gold.
One suggestion on the base forces. Sail the 5th fleet around to their new locations and have that enable the upgrade. Works pretty well.
One suggestion on the base forces. Sail the 5th fleet around to their new locations and have that enable the upgrade. Works pretty well.
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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
ORIGINAL: obvert
On the Burma troops, could be about that. Depends on how many tanks are there also.
Pegu
37 units, 144k troops, 2000 guns, 2600 vehicles
Dont know how many of them is actually moving
From north is moving
3 units, 34k troops, 250 guns, 150 vehicles (Oz ID, China ID, tank unit)
I see two options.
Docup will shock trough river or he want to capture that hex with Australian unit from north and then move clear trough river with units from Pegu and than move south.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
3 July 44
4Es attack Saigon.
Only 16 Ki-44 on CAP but even those outdated planes with 50XP pilots manage to shot down 12 allied bombers.
Morning Air attack on Saigon , at 60,71
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud
Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 16
Allied aircraft
Liberator B.III x 15
B-24D1 Liberator x 37
B-24J Liberator x 45
B-29-1 Superfort x 10
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.III: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
PB Yoshida Maru, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
PB Shinko Maru #5, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
MTB G-2, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
PB Magan Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Kyo Maru #11, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
PB Kenkon Maru, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
ACM Ranzan Maru, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
AD Choko Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Eiko Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Repair Shipyard hits 5
Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 25
Port hits 4
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 1
Manpower hits 10
Fires 6900
4Es attack Saigon.
Only 16 Ki-44 on CAP but even those outdated planes with 50XP pilots manage to shot down 12 allied bombers.
Morning Air attack on Saigon , at 60,71
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud
Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 16
Allied aircraft
Liberator B.III x 15
B-24D1 Liberator x 37
B-24J Liberator x 45
B-29-1 Superfort x 10
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.III: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
PB Yoshida Maru, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
PB Shinko Maru #5, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
MTB G-2, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
PB Magan Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Kyo Maru #11, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
PB Kenkon Maru, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
ACM Ranzan Maru, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
AD Choko Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Eiko Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Repair Shipyard hits 5
Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 25
Port hits 4
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 1
Manpower hits 10
Fires 6900
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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
Spent the whole day reading this AAR. Amazing! Goes to show though, that regardless of how well one fights, in air, on land, at sea, the allies, with enough tenacity, will win the war... 
Now, enough of my defeatism. Keep it up koniu, it's a great read.

Now, enough of my defeatism. Keep it up koniu, it's a great read.
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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
ORIGINAL: koniu
3 July 44
4Es attack Saigon.
Only 16 Ki-44 on CAP but even those outdated planes with 50XP pilots manage to shot down 12 allied bombers.
This happened to me, as you probably remember, a few too many times. It's hard to even begin to realize how many vulnerable cities, ports and fields there are once the b-29 is active. I ended up with most everything in Nagasaki, Hiroshima and Yokohama.
Nice to get some 4E with just that small CAP though.
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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
5 July 1944
Borneo
80 miles north of Miri.
At night CV Hiyo is hit by two TT from US sub.
At first i was looking that she will make it. No fires in combat reports.
When i look at turn i found her one hex north of Miri burning heavily.
Damage:
sys: 21
flood: 55(34)
eng: 0
fires: 78[:(]
In my anger i already told Docup that he own me CV. So probably he thinks she sunk.[8|]
She will probably in next day or two. Nothing kills japanise ships better from fire.
If not fires subs will, CV Hiyo end day in hex with allied sub and with only one DD as escort[:(].
I have move pilots back to pool but i cant fly off with planes.
Borneo
80 miles north of Miri.
At night CV Hiyo is hit by two TT from US sub.
At first i was looking that she will make it. No fires in combat reports.
When i look at turn i found her one hex north of Miri burning heavily.
Damage:
sys: 21
flood: 55(34)
eng: 0
fires: 78[:(]
In my anger i already told Docup that he own me CV. So probably he thinks she sunk.[8|]
She will probably in next day or two. Nothing kills japanise ships better from fire.
If not fires subs will, CV Hiyo end day in hex with allied sub and with only one DD as escort[:(].
I have move pilots back to pool but i cant fly off with planes.
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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
GEt her into a port and disband her ASAP. THen get Naval HQ and AR ASAP. You might save her if you can get her into a port this turn and disbanded ... 50:50 right now.
Pax
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
ORIGINAL: PaxMondo
GEt her into a port and disband her ASAP. THen get Naval HQ and AR ASAP. You might save her if you can get her into a port this turn and disbanded ... 50:50 right now.
If she survive night she will arrive Miri on morning. I have lot of naval engineers in base to assist loading fuel maybe they will help fighting fires. I will also air transport naval HQ from Singer.
50:50 is optimistic in my opinion. I had ships (cruisers)with less damage and fires and they almost never manage to win with fire, I give her 20%
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