what is this????

Belisarius · Post by **Belisarius** » Wed Apr 09, 2003 11:01 pm

WOW!

I'm in awe.

Btw.... is... that....a.... MAUS.... hiding...behind...it. :p

:p

Kaakao · Post by **Kaakao** » Wed Apr 09, 2003 11:09 pm

I don't know what that is but I can tell you it'll do some sick damage!

And Belisarius seems to be right, looks like that's a Maus behind there.

M4Jess · Post by **M4Jess** » Wed Apr 09, 2003 11:28 pm

Originally posted by Kaakao
I don't know what that is but I can tell you it'll do some sick damage!

And Belisarius seems to be right, looks like that's a Maus behind there.

yep...sure was.....

M4Jess · Post by **M4Jess** » Wed Apr 09, 2003 11:29 pm

WTF!!!??? IS THIS???

Belisarius · Post by **Belisarius** » Wed Apr 09, 2003 11:38 pm

Dang, can't remember it's designation, but that is a prototype HEAVY mine-clearing panzer. (see the PzII turret on top?). It's supposed to use those pads for blasting the mines. Rear wheel steering.

It's kinda obvious why this never saw active duty.... :p

I remember it now. It's a NK-101.

The first picture is a SP 60cm "Karl" Mörser. Think the Russians calls it a "SU-600".

M4Jess · Post by **M4Jess** » Wed Apr 09, 2003 11:42 pm

The top pic is a German 60cm Heavy Assault Gun SU600? Karl Morser?

Belisarius · Post by **Belisarius** » Wed Apr 09, 2003 11:48 pm

Heheh now I know.

These beauties are at the Kubinka armor museum outside Moscow. Aberdeen in all it's glory, but the Kubinka probably dwarves it, by size of collection and not the least, the condition of it's displays.

Or at least it looks like it, when I found the site.

Voriax · Post by **Voriax** » Thu Apr 10, 2003 4:17 am

First pic: Karl mortar indeed.

2nd: Yup..Maus. hull from one vehicle and turret from another, afaik.

3rd: Alkett Minenraumfahrzeug/Raumgerät

Voriax

Klinkenhoffen · Post by **Klinkenhoffen** » Thu Apr 10, 2003 5:44 am

from the picture of the mine clearer you can see where George Lucas got some ideas for the Imperial walkers in the orginal series of Star Wars.

Come Jess, join the power of the dark side.

Wolfleader · Post by **Wolfleader** » Thu Apr 10, 2003 6:08 am

That's the "Karl" 600mm Mortar from WW2.

stevemk1a · Post by **stevemk1a** » Thu Apr 10, 2003 8:17 am

Cool, as a kid I built a 1/72 scale model of that beauty along with it's ammo loading vehicle (on a PzIV chassis) ... I am amazed to see one still exists and a Maus along side it too!!:D I'll have to add Kubinka to the list of places I'd love to visit (so far I've only made it to the Imperial War museum in London ... wish I could have spent more than only one day there

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Griefbringer · Post by **Griefbringer** » Thu Apr 10, 2003 1:38 pm

Wow, Karl 60cm. I have never seen a picture of one, but I have read of them in a book. I think only a small number (6 at most) were ever built, and each one needed a couple of ammo carriers to keep it supplied. Must have been jolly good time loading one of those - I guess there is crane somewhere for it.

I think they went to use somewhere around 1942 or 1943 in eastern front, not any better idea of their achievements or later fate (I guess they were pretty slow and prone to mechanical troubles - like everything heavy and experimental).

I want to see those available in SPWAW too - any ideas for technical specifications?

Griefbringer

Klinkenhoffen · Post by **Klinkenhoffen** » Thu Apr 10, 2003 1:41 pm

I would hate to be on the receiving end of one.

How much would the projectile weigh?

Griefbringer · Post by **Griefbringer** » Thu Apr 10, 2003 1:54 pm

I guess the rate of fire was not too good, which would make them a bit less deadly - but it would still be pretty nasty to be on the receiving end.

60cm must be a freaking big shell - I guess it is about the size of a 500 lbs bomb or something like that. Great for blowing up whole buildings!

Griefbringer

Voriax · Post by **Voriax** » Thu Apr 10, 2003 5:22 pm

And mind you, that Karl is a _self propelled gun_. Now perhaps that could be included in the next oob patch?

Warhorse, gonna make us an lbm????
Pretty please?

Voriax

M4Jess · Post by **M4Jess** » Thu Apr 10, 2003 5:24 pm

Originally posted by Voriax
And mind you, that Karl is a _self propelled gun_. Now perhaps that could be included in the next oob patch?
Warhorse, gonna make us an lbm????
Pretty please?

Voriax

That would be great...I think my ol'M4 could take him!!;)

Voriax · Post by **Voriax** » Thu Apr 10, 2003 5:32 pm

I actually have a short movie clip about Karl in action, but darned if I remember where I found it...bit over 1MB in size, so if someone wants to put it up somewhere drop me a line....

Voriax

ps. Check this site: http://www.geocities.com/ssvong/morser/karl_main.htm

for Karl info and some *very* fine photos of Karl models.

Wolfleader · Post by **Wolfleader** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 3:06 am

IRT Willy

Dragon Models released a 1/35 scale model of that Karl Heavy Mortar a few months ago if your interested. It should be available from your neighborhood hobby shop now.

I'm planning to pick up a copy for myself as soon as I finish my exams and have some vacation time, it'll nicely compliment the 1/35 scale Maus I already have.

Irinami · Post by **Irinami** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 3:26 am

Originally posted by Voriax

3rd: Alkett Minenraumfahrzeug/Raumgerät

... Whoah... Badass...

I wanna' overrun with that thing, nyahahahahahhaaaaa!!!!:D

what is this????

what is this????

Karl SP Mortar