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ORIGINAL: Baloogan
Hey Feltan, I'm thinking of streaming this scenario on Saturday. [:D] Just going to play it for the first time now!
ORIGINAL: mikmyk
Hope you didn't give him an nukes to use[:)]
ORIGINAL: Feltan
ORIGINAL: Baloogan
Hey Feltan, I'm thinking of streaming this scenario on Saturday. [:D] Just going to play it for the first time now!
Baloogan,
That would be great! Let me know what time you are going to start, I'd love to watch and chat along.
Regards,
Feltan
ORIGINAL: Korvar
Fantastic work on this scenario Feltan!
Let me preface the following question with an admission that I have only skimmed this thread for fear of reading spoilers (I have yet to finish the scenario, and the immersion is too good to spoil). If the question has already been answered, my apologies!
I have one question in regards to the French: the French are set as an ally in the scenario, so of course French hostilities with the Chinese flags all Chinese units as hostile for the US/UK forces. This is understandable given the NATO alliance.... BUT in the first tasking pop-up, this appears: "In the context of relative Chinese neutrality or belligerence, the Chinese relationship with France has no bearing on us. France is conducting a wholly independent operation and separate diplomatic effort."
Is this clarified in further tasking orders? (I'm only two TOs deep so far in the first hour or so of game time). If not, what was your intent with regards to the French - should their status as an ally or the specific tasking orders take precedence?
So far I have been proceeding as follows: until I see an overt act of aggression against my forces, I'm still treating the Chinese as neutral, but I have to manually reclassify Chinese units as neutral for S/A and target sorting purposes. Should any hostilities occur, I will try to localize them as per the TOs.
ORIGINAL: Feltan
An old saying in the military is that "No plan survives first contact with the enemy." As the US/UK commander, once the Chinese turn hostile toward you (presumably through no fault of your own), your "best efforts" to keep them neutral have failed.
The ambiguity is on purpose. The French will learn a lesson about not operating as part of a coalition. And, your grand orders to ease the Chinese out during the next phase of the operation go into the crapper.
I am glad this situations is causing "problems" for players .... it is intended to produce that "fog of war," that situation where a commander has to make decisions in the absence of genuine clarity -- a situation all too frequent, in my experience, when you are in charge of an organization.
Regards,
Feltan
ORIGINAL: tommo8993
china always goes hostile when they attack France. Would it not be an idea to have the french neutral to the US/UK rather than allied.
ORIGINAL: Korvar
I figured this was intentional, so I've been proceeding as fragged despite the ambiguity. The ambiguity actually has been reproducing the uncertain posturing which occurs during US and Chinese operations in close proximity, so I think you've achieved your goal there!
Some highlights from my playthrough...
The French Eurocopters had their own "fog of war" when I re-classified the merchant ships they were about to attack as neutral. It delayed the opening of hostilities, but the inevitable missile exchange still happened (just when I thought I had found a loophole!):
I've been carefully sorting targets and manually reclassifying anything Chinese (and the city markers) as neutral. It has allowed me to (so far) give the Chinese forces a wide berth and minimize the likelihood of overt aggression. I can see that the scenario is pushing for a conflict, but I'm still holding out for the favored negotiating position per the TO. Notice the recently detected Chinese J-11s north of Port Harcourt are classified as hostile by default:
ORIGINAL: tommo8993
But it says avoid contact with china yet i always end up attacking them.
ORIGINAL: Supreme 2.0
Hey there
One thing that could be added is the Diori Hamani International Airport in Naimey, Niger which is used as a joint US-French base. The americans use the base for Reaper and Liberty King surveillance flights while French forces used the airport as a staging area during the Mali offensive.
In my opinion it totally fits the set-up of your scenario! [:)]
https://publicintelligence.net/us-drones-in-africa/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/drone-base-in-niger-gives-us-a-strategic-foothold-in-west-africa/2013/03/21/700ee8d0-9170-11e2-9c4d-798c073d7ec8_story.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat ... story.html
Regards
Supreme
