Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock
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RE: Burma Bungle!
The turn is away and I have attempted to hide most of the Air Force in Burma, no bombing missions anywhere, as I work on repairing the pilots and planes from the recent successful air interceptions in Burma.
All raiding IJN ships are being recalled, spotted, and didn't get to hit anything. Better than getting sunk.
This day marks the first heavy Allied recon over Lunga and surrounding bases. Maybe he will move on there as I am leaving it.
Turning off Tojo IIc production...moved one factory to the Frank 84a. Don't want to overproduce.
All raiding IJN ships are being recalled, spotted, and didn't get to hit anything. Better than getting sunk.
This day marks the first heavy Allied recon over Lunga and surrounding bases. Maybe he will move on there as I am leaving it.
Turning off Tojo IIc production...moved one factory to the Frank 84a. Don't want to overproduce.
RE: Burma Bungle!
ORIGINAL: topeverest
If we are using the yardstick of speed to allied victory, then I would suggest we can view allied concentrations in Burma as misguided. That said, I don't believe that speed
to allied victory is the only fair measure, just the one we tend to use the most.
[:D][;)]
Japan is toast.[:(] It is only a matter of when. Anything that delays that day is what I am playing for...
RE: Burma Bungle!
Burma:
A look at my Burma reinforcements. I get several INA units within a month plus or minus.
They have some stolen British weapons; and probably will go into rear area security. Two of them at a base should make it fairly resistant to paratrooper attack depending upon the terrain. Can't really think of another use for them right now.
They at least spawn in theater and won't need shipping to Burma.

A look at my Burma reinforcements. I get several INA units within a month plus or minus.
They have some stolen British weapons; and probably will go into rear area security. Two of them at a base should make it fairly resistant to paratrooper attack depending upon the terrain. Can't really think of another use for them right now.
They at least spawn in theater and won't need shipping to Burma.

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RE: Burma Bungle!
May 28, 1943
Allies bomb bases in Burma at night. No real damage. Bomb Moulmein during day, and a heavily damaged destroyer that had been burning up is sunk.
The Salmon attempts to penetrate the screen on a tanker convoy near Saigon, the escorts depth charge here until she is forced to surface and promptly sunk. Well done!
0 Japanese planes lost today. Troop movements in Burma and China. Yanking troops out of Solomons and Marshalls.
Watching. Waiting. Training. Saving. Pretty typical for Japan in mid 43.
Allies bomb bases in Burma at night. No real damage. Bomb Moulmein during day, and a heavily damaged destroyer that had been burning up is sunk.
The Salmon attempts to penetrate the screen on a tanker convoy near Saigon, the escorts depth charge here until she is forced to surface and promptly sunk. Well done!
0 Japanese planes lost today. Troop movements in Burma and China. Yanking troops out of Solomons and Marshalls.
Watching. Waiting. Training. Saving. Pretty typical for Japan in mid 43.
RE: Burma Bungle!
Still avoiding battle in the air this turn...the Artillery is making a mass movement for Rangoon and new firing locations.
More evacuation from the Solomons. Little worried that I left it till too late, as now the Americans have consistent high levels of detection. I have a hideous amount of long legged search going, and a cruiser task force shepherding the troops, an Infantry division, and so far the only threat is one lone submarine. Plus I have 100 plus fighters covering and he can only hit me with 4e or his carriers. Which last spotted were east of Ocean...
I had hoped to use the Solomons as an air base to strike ships to the south, but the Allies have just totally bypassed this area all together. Maybe I will get an attack in at some point...
KB dark. My light carriers are almost done their upgrades.
I am sending a portion of an amphibious brigade to Victoria Point. I think the Allies have missed the boat on getting flank attack through Tavoy or south and cutting off the Burmese Army for now at least. It will remain the greatest threat...
This next turn I need to spend some serious time organizing the Marshalls. They are untenable...Nauru needs supplies, Kusaie and Ponape are strongly held and supplied, but 4es can wipe out supply startlingly quick. Wake is at the maximum...but really that means little without the IJN. Jaluit has a fair amount of troops but no airbase and the Allies will simply bypass it. I also need a tactic to take out his wandering two ship task forces, my air power is proving reluctant to engage. I am thinking of darting in and out with a CL led destroyer division.
More evacuation from the Solomons. Little worried that I left it till too late, as now the Americans have consistent high levels of detection. I have a hideous amount of long legged search going, and a cruiser task force shepherding the troops, an Infantry division, and so far the only threat is one lone submarine. Plus I have 100 plus fighters covering and he can only hit me with 4e or his carriers. Which last spotted were east of Ocean...
I had hoped to use the Solomons as an air base to strike ships to the south, but the Allies have just totally bypassed this area all together. Maybe I will get an attack in at some point...
KB dark. My light carriers are almost done their upgrades.
I am sending a portion of an amphibious brigade to Victoria Point. I think the Allies have missed the boat on getting flank attack through Tavoy or south and cutting off the Burmese Army for now at least. It will remain the greatest threat...
This next turn I need to spend some serious time organizing the Marshalls. They are untenable...Nauru needs supplies, Kusaie and Ponape are strongly held and supplied, but 4es can wipe out supply startlingly quick. Wake is at the maximum...but really that means little without the IJN. Jaluit has a fair amount of troops but no airbase and the Allies will simply bypass it. I also need a tactic to take out his wandering two ship task forces, my air power is proving reluctant to engage. I am thinking of darting in and out with a CL led destroyer division.
RE: Burma Bungle!
Yeah, they can. [:(]ORIGINAL: Lowpe
..., but 4es can wipe out supply startlingly quick.
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Wake is at the maximum...but really that means little without the IJN.
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As are most any island, no matter the defensive forces ...
quote]ORIGINAL: Lowpe
I also need a tactic to take out his wandering two ship task forces, my air power is proving reluctant to engage. I am thinking of darting in and out with a CL led destroyer division.
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OK, let's think this through a bit. If LBA isn't engaging, then its either because it thinks it is too powerful OR not worth the effort. We'll go with the latter here, as they aren't CV's. Most of the time for "not worth the effort" it comes down to DL ... too low.
These are likely Fletchers, a pair of them. Sending a CL led DD div will likely get the Fletchers, but you will likely trade 1:1 ... you can't afford that and he would love it. The issue is that the CL's don't out range the Fletchers enough and their armor will allow them to get in range and get hits. As you know, IJNl DD's are pretty fragile ... 3 - 4 hits are usually enough to lose them.
So, at this point in the game, I will gladly trade 10 2E's to get a Fletcher. Gladly. If I can, I would move all of my considerable Nettie assets into that area. Get those Fletchers painted from at least 3 sides .. that should get the DL up to +8 and then they should attack. I'd set thrm for 9000 ft and let them bomb (if I have Air HQ's great for torps, but I don't think I would move any for this). Just me ...
Pax
RE: Burma Bungle!
Thanks...I will try boosting the dl...
RE: Burma Bungle!
May 29, 1943
No night bombing.
I was negligent in moving some fighters from Chiang Myi last turn, this turn they were swept and bombed heavily. 2 sweeps hit first and my fighters never made it to bombers, but did do pretty well against the escorts.
Whack-a-mole continues in China as the little cockroaches are all over the place cutting roads and rails. No biggie...I wonder if the China attempts to send supplies to these units and they spoil enroute?
Last town in the Changsha triangle will get deliberate attacked today --- 4000 AV vs 400 if they don't run away first.

No night bombing.
I was negligent in moving some fighters from Chiang Myi last turn, this turn they were swept and bombed heavily. 2 sweeps hit first and my fighters never made it to bombers, but did do pretty well against the escorts.
Whack-a-mole continues in China as the little cockroaches are all over the place cutting roads and rails. No biggie...I wonder if the China attempts to send supplies to these units and they spoil enroute?
Last town in the Changsha triangle will get deliberate attacked today --- 4000 AV vs 400 if they don't run away first.

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RE: Burma Bungle!
I have trained a squadron of Jakes up on naval bombing, fly them to Ocean Island which has no runway, and will attempt to deliver a surprise to a small 2 ship task force. I don't think these are Fletchers, but you never know. Lots of search up...
Moved almost 400 fighters into the Raheng triangle of bases where the Allies spotted some fighters yesterday. Hopefully, he will try a repeat of Chiang Myi and I can get a little more favorable results thru quantity.
Moved almost 400 fighters into the Raheng triangle of bases where the Allies spotted some fighters yesterday. Hopefully, he will try a repeat of Chiang Myi and I can get a little more favorable results thru quantity.
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RE: Burma Bungle!
ORIGINAL: Lowpe
I have trained a squadron of Jakes up on naval bombing, fly them to Ocean Island which has no runway, and will attempt to deliver a surprise to a small 2 ship task force. I don't think these are Fletchers, but you never know. Lots of search up...
I've had some decent results from Jake's flying against ships from 1000-2000ft. The 60 kg hand grenades they carry don't do a great deal of damage, but they can and do damage destroyers.
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RE: Burma Bungle!
Erik also had some good success with them flying from bypassed areas. Very effective when hitting fully loaded tankers... [:(]

RE: Burma Bungle!
ORIGINAL: JocMeister
Erik also had some good success with them flying from bypassed areas. Very effective when hitting fully loaded tankers... [:(]
That was part of my thinking[:)]
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RE: Burma Bungle!
May 30, 1943
Night bombing in Raheng air field complexes, 3 planes lost on the ground...Dinah KAI intercept. Not too outrageous.
Allies bomb Moulmein, ships spotted at Calcutta -- perhaps he is trying another convoy to Rangoon? Plane losses are equal for the day including 3 P38 to op losses.
In the Marshalls, the Jakes fly and there is a 3 destroyer task force but they unfortunately miss...
An xak is torpedoed several times off Tokyo -- I forgot to put them on coastal approach. My bad...it was empty returning from Guam.

Night bombing in Raheng air field complexes, 3 planes lost on the ground...Dinah KAI intercept. Not too outrageous.
Allies bomb Moulmein, ships spotted at Calcutta -- perhaps he is trying another convoy to Rangoon? Plane losses are equal for the day including 3 P38 to op losses.
In the Marshalls, the Jakes fly and there is a 3 destroyer task force but they unfortunately miss...
An xak is torpedoed several times off Tokyo -- I forgot to put them on coastal approach. My bad...it was empty returning from Guam.

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RE: Burma Bungle!
China: Hengyang: Banzai!
May was a tough month in China for the Chinese! What is even better, from my frugal perspective, is that my deliberate approach to China I have not shipped any supplies here, but rather kept them on the HI.

May was a tough month in China for the Chinese! What is even better, from my frugal perspective, is that my deliberate approach to China I have not shipped any supplies here, but rather kept them on the HI.

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RE: Burma Bungle!
ORIGINAL: Lowpe
I have trained a squadron of Jakes up on naval bombing, fly them to Ocean Island which has no runway, and will attempt to deliver a surprise to a small 2 ship task force. I don't think these are Fletchers, but you never know. Lots of search up...
Moved almost 400 fighters into the Raheng triangle of bases where the Allies spotted some fighters yesterday. Hopefully, he will try a repeat of Chiang Myi and I can get a little more favorable results thru quantity.
Jakes for me were the everything plane in the game against Jocke. I've not used them quite as much yet in my second game, but I haven't had as much opportunity yet either.
They are an ASW plane, a search plane on land and sea, night and day, and they performed recon by attacking naval units at distance even if they weren't successful.
As I had bases behind lines eventually, their LR transfer ability and decent payload allowed them to be used really well, as Jocke mentioned, against transports and tankers. They're not too successful hitting combat ships, but can let you know what's there.
The Norm is good too, and I had hopes for the Seiran, but it wasn't as successful in spite of having a much better payload of a torp or two x 250kg bombs.
Finally, all work well as kamis against transports.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill
RE: Burma Bungle!
ORIGINAL: obvert
The Norm is good too, and I had hopes for the Seiran, but it wasn't as successful in spite of having a much better payload of a torp or two x 250kg bombs.
I was interested in using this plane...bad news.
Did you use Paul at all?
RE: Burma Bungle!
Now with the Changsha triangle captured, and with 1943 almost half over, the next big attack will be at Kweiyang. The troops are racing there now, with 1200 AV already there, another 4000 coming from the east on good roads; 250 from the south (with some tanks) that need to clear straggling Chinese corps that have cut threatened the road/rail line. This 250 AV will increase to add another 400 or so as they work their way north.
From Kweiyang they will join 2500 AV already in the central plains.
In Burma, the Artillery Stack of Doom arrives in Rangoon today. One day to normalize supply, rest, plot fires, and then the bombardment will begin...three engineers and one construction unit are there to help them dig in.
KB dark.
From Kweiyang they will join 2500 AV already in the central plains.
In Burma, the Artillery Stack of Doom arrives in Rangoon today. One day to normalize supply, rest, plot fires, and then the bombardment will begin...three engineers and one construction unit are there to help them dig in.
KB dark.
RE: Burma Bungle!
ORIGINAL: Lowpe
ORIGINAL: obvert
The Norm is good too, and I had hopes for the Seiran, but it wasn't as successful in spite of having a much better payload of a torp or two x 250kg bombs.
I was interested in using this plane...bad news.
Did you use Paul at all?
I tried them all, but the Paul and Seiran have shorter legs, and so by the time they're available they can't get to the places they need to be in many cases, and they also are a bit slow, unmaneuverable and too fragile for the Allied AA in the late game.
Most of the time you'd have at least a level 2 field in the areas where you might want to get behind the lines that would still have supply, and if you do then you'd want to use the Grace. That is your best plane for late war for just about anything. It has extremely long transfer and strike ranges, and it's wicked fast and maneuverable, which seems to get it through both fighters and flak a bit better. Even though the Judy D4Y3-4 did a lot of damage with their big bombs, you're often better off using the Grace as it's got two chances to hit and hits slow ships down so the later DB/TB have better chances. (This is also why the Jake is so good against merchants. Lots of chances to hit and start fires).
It could still be a nice surprise if you have a few of the BIG I-400 class boats with 3 Seiran together and go merchant hunting to be annoying in the late war, but they won't be sinking CVs or even CVEs.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill
RE: Burma Bungle!
May 31, 1943
Out goes another month and Magwe oil is still pumping. Amazing.[:)]
No night bombing.
During the day, the Allies try Raheng, westernmost of the triangle airfields that protect Tavoy and they run into Japanese fighters.
Corsairs sweep in first...followed by bombers, heavily escorted, and then by a final Lightning sweep. Although a fair number of Tojo IIcs go down fighting I call today a win for Japanese Air Forces. Especially if you count the number of damaged bombers limping their way home...

Out goes another month and Magwe oil is still pumping. Amazing.[:)]
No night bombing.
During the day, the Allies try Raheng, westernmost of the triangle airfields that protect Tavoy and they run into Japanese fighters.
Corsairs sweep in first...followed by bombers, heavily escorted, and then by a final Lightning sweep. Although a fair number of Tojo IIcs go down fighting I call today a win for Japanese Air Forces. Especially if you count the number of damaged bombers limping their way home...

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