OP nation, Vichy France

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Email subject line reads: WiF-RaW-7-aug-04 questions on  Vichy France
 
Just as you suggested.
 
 

[paulderynck]

It's difficult to go back and forth between versions, I suspect just as much for Harry as for the RAW8 beta testers. Nonetheless the letter of the rule in RAW7 was Vichy was not excepted for the entry option choice and that neutral Vichy could attack US CPs and ships because (regardless of RAW7 or RAW8) Vichy is an Axis Major Power. Given that usually a neutral Vichy is controlled by Germany (which must husband her Naval and Combined impulses) and can only move one ship in such an impulse, it is extremely doubtful this would come up since Germany is bound to have better uses for those infrequent naval moves.

We now know from Courtenay's testing that MWiF is coded per Harry's clarification r.e. the automatic option choices upon war with Ge/It & JP, and overall the clarification is better for the game IMO. What has not been tested is whether neutral Vichy ships can attack US CPs and ships after Options 32 and 50 are passed. If they can't, all the better since that's in accordance with the clarification. If they can, then I guess players shouldn't do it and it should be reported as a low priority bug.

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Nonetheless the letter of the rule in RAW7 was Vichy was not excepted for the entry option choice and that neutral Vichy could attack US CPs and ships because (regardless of RAW7 or RAW8) Vichy is an Axis Major Power.

 
Am I reading your post correctly you still think a Axis neutral major power can participate in 11.5 Naval combat [&:]
 

[Courtenay]

I just tried testing US-Vichy naval interaction.

What I found was a bug. Neutral Vichy forces were allowed to intercept moving US naval forces, and US forces could intercept Vichy forces, but neither the US nor Vichy were allowed to initiate combat in the choose combat portion of the sequence of play. Furthermore, far worse, if Vichy successfully intercepted, and the US chose to fight through, or vice versa, a MadExcept was generated. If you told the game to continue, the game got stuck in the Naval Intercept Digression: Naval Combat Sequence, with no way to proceed.

Thus, at the moment, the US and a Vichy that is neutral with respect to the US can not fight in MWiF. I have only tested what happens if there are only US and Vichy forces in a sea area, with no units from other countries.

I suppose I should write up a bug report about this, since a MadExcept was generated, but I really don't feel like doing so at the moment.

Someday I will test what happens if Vichy forces are in the same sea box with other Axis forces that the US is at war with, and see what happens then.

[paulderynck]

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Nonetheless the letter of the rule in RAW7 was Vichy was not excepted for the entry option choice and that neutral Vichy could attack US CPs and ships because (regardless of RAW7 or RAW8) Vichy is an Axis Major Power.

Am I reading your post correctly you still think a Axis neutral major power can participate in 11.5 Naval combat [&:]

As originally written in RAW7 there were cases where neutral Vichy and neutral Italy could do so if options 32 and 50 were passed. As clarified now by Harry, that is no longer the case.

What happens in MWiF (per Courtenay's testing) has yet to be completely discovered, but it's starting to look like it will result in a low priority bug report one way or the other.

BTW, do you still think a neutral Vichy is not an Axis major power?

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[:)] I am more than pleased with being right two out of three times [:)]
 
Harry Rowland generously provided his corrections.
 
Are you pleased with being wrong two out of three times [&:]